Canada's tanks

[SeaKingTacco]

Currently I suspect the best we can hope for are a limited distribution of photocopies of Rheimetall sales brochures. Just to remind people what an actual tank really looks like.

I think what you meant to write was: “…photocopies of Bombardier sales brochures of what they think a tank might look like. If the Government gave them $10 Billion dollars to develop one based on a business jet….”

 

[dapaterson]

I think what you meant to write was: “…photocopies of Bombardier sales brochures of what they think a tank might look like. If the Government gave them $10 Billion dollars to develop one based on a business jet….”

I'm team "SkiDoo with a 105 main gun".

 

[KevinB]

I'm team "SkiDoo with a 105 main gun".

But didn't they spin off the Ski-Doo line? so maybe a set of landing gear and a fuselage - no wings...

 

[Fishbone Jones]

 

[OldSolduer]

I'm team "SkiDoo with a 105 main gun".

Bomardier sold the Ski Doo division off IIRC.

 

[dapaterson]

Bomardier sold the Ski Doo division off IIRC.

There are two Bombardiers - one does aircraft, the other does recreational products.

 

[suffolkowner]

Bomardier sold the Ski Doo division off IIRC.

different company same people

 

[Fishbone Jones]

There are two Bombardiers - one does aircraft, the other does recreational products.

Doesn't the PM view those two as the same thing?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Doesn't the PM view those two as the same thing?

Ok, that is funny.

 

[MilEME09]

I think the expectations for a "G7 Nation" are subconsciously distorted by the US skewing the "average."

France is planning 200 tanks to the XLR standard (~ 175% our population, 150% our GDP)
UK ~200 Challengers (similar ratio to France)
Italy is only upgrading 125 Ariete's (150% of our population, comparable GDP)

2 regiments + spares and training (~120-150 combat grade tanks) is a reasonable expectation from both sides of the coin, neither too high nor too low- providing there's roughly equivalent numbers of cavalry fighting vehicle, a tracked heavy IFV, proper amount of SPG's, mortars, ATGM's etc. etc.

build a climate controlled storage facility dug into the Rockies big enough for a brigade of vehicles. build them and put them into storage there.

 

[YZT580]

build a climate controlled storage facility dug into the Rockies big enough for a brigade of vehicles. build them and put them into storage there.

already a hole in YB you could fill

 

[OldSolduer]

Bomardier sold the Ski Doo division off IIRC.

I do like the idea of an armed Ski Doo though.....

 

[Prairie canuck]

M1’s aren’t a quick option either, unless you want the M1A1SA’s and can get them with DU, then you have a pool of about 650 or so that could be available inside a few months.

There are no real new MBT options at this point, as everyone who is making them has a several year backlog.

I’m still of the opinion that to buy into AbramsX as the M1A3 is the best option for Canada, and invest in a production facility to make 36-48 a year in Canada, than can be doubled or tripled as needed.

I suspect the US Army and GDLS would be very enthusiastic as well.

The US will never allow a full spec M1A3 to be built outside the US. Secret armor and all that, and even if they allow Canada into the project it will take years and years before Canada comes up to the front of the line. Quit mucking about and order some refurbished M1's. As a premium customer the first ones should start arriving within a year. Training can start well before that at US facilities.

 

[CBH99]

The US will never allow a full spec M1A3 to be built outside the US. Secret armor and all that, and even if they allow Canada into the project it will take years and years before Canada comes up to the front of the line. Quit mucking about and order some refurbished M1's. As a premium customer the first ones should start arriving within a year. Training can start well before that at US facilities.

Given our schedule of replacing vehicle fleets, can we change that to an order of M1A2+ rather than refurbished units?

(Not lumping you in with a certain group of society, don't worry Abrams...stay calm...)

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Refurbished subs for the Navy
Refurbished F18s for the Air Force
Refurbished tanks for the Army

C'mon down to Ziggy's Used Military Equipment Lot. If we ain't got it, you don't need it.

 

[childs56]

The US will never allow a full spec M1A3 to be built outside the US.

They are allowing Australia to.

Secret armor and all that,

Most of not all the secret stuff is bolt on, So they can add different levels of protection to suit the mission.

and even if they allow Canada into the project it will take years and years before Canada comes up to the front of the line. Quit mucking about and order some refurbished M1's. As a premium customer the first ones should start arriving within a year. Training can start well before that at US facilities.

They have low rate production right now, they could bump that up if required.

 

[Ostrozac]

They are allowing Australia to.

The Australian M1A2 project (LAND 907 Phase 2 MBT) is acquiring upgraded tanks from the US through FMS. They are not being manufactured in Australia.

 

[KevinB]

The US will never allow a full spec M1A3 to be built outside the US. Secret armor and all that, and even if they allow Canada into the project it will take years and years before Canada comes up to the front of the line. Quit mucking about and order some refurbished M1's. As a premium customer the first ones should start arriving within a year. Training can start well before that at US facilities.

The armor isn’t really secret at all.

The only issue is the DU sheets used in the layers. Which frankly any 5E country could ask for and get an exemption from congress for. Given Canada is a nuclear state (by means of nuclear industry not weapons) there is nothing stopping Canada from making it own DU.

The DU in an Abram’s isn’t nearly at the level of other technologies that we already share within 5E countries.

 

[Kirkhill]

I'm team "SkiDoo with a 105 main gun".

Would you believe.....



Dutch Marine with a BRP Skidoo and a Panzerfaust?

 

[Maxman1]

The armor isn’t really secret at all.

The only issue is the DU sheets used in the layers. Which frankly any 5E country could ask for and get an exemption from congress for. Given Canada is a nuclear state (by means of nuclear industry not weapons) there is nothing stopping Canada from making it own DU.

The DU in an Abram’s isn’t nearly at the level of other technologies that we already share within 5E countries.

I think Australia's tanks don't have the DU armour despite being part of the 5 Eyes.