CSIS training

[The_Falcon]

That's not information I am interested in. I want seniority based pay grade like in military if they have that. Or, at least, to know that there is a progressive increase in pay based on experience after the probationary period is over. They can't expect people working for 65Ks all their lives, can they?

I was actually wondering if it's more of an equivalentl to FBI... I know RCMP is, but I'd rather choose regular police them RCMP considering there is no much difference except for a few service opportunities. I still can't decided whether they have nothing to hide and that's why they are trying to pretend that they do by blowing all this smoke around them in the most obvious ways or actually pretend to be this almsot irrelevant organization by letting the media tell us that they do nothing special. 

There are a lot of people who would be happy to work for 65k a year, a lot of people work for less than that each year even those employed in the civil service (ie most NCM's in the military, paramedics, Customs Officers, some police services).  What you expecting 6 figures or something?  as for the comment you can't decide whether they have anything to hide, that is not something you or I or most people on this board can decide.  All the info they want you to know is on their site.  If the info isn't there we (the general public including you) do not need to know about it.  If that can't help you rethink your options.

P.S.  If you have a problem with my signature PM about it and I can tell you were I got it from.

 

[Lex]

CSIS is teeming full of lawyers and MBA's, so no, they don't get capped at 65 G's. They have to compete with other levels of government, foreign governments, private law firms and large corporations. You recover from CSIS what you bring to the job, so if you have a better than average degree, with professional qualifications and are a proven competent in your field, and perhaps [hopefully] speak multiple languages besides English and French, and you know what toes not to step on, it could be a good career for bright young patriotic people like yourself. But, if you are on some sort of Superman good vs. evil mission, they won't give you the time of day.

Appreciate that. I suppose, that's all I wanted to know.

You dont work for CSIS for money, you do it for the life-style.   You do it for your country, just like most people join the military to server there country regardless of pay and benifets.

Yes, life-style... That's what I asked about.

To all of you who are talking about patriotism - good for you. Personally, however, I don't believe in it. I think it's very limiting to think of yourself as a member of one nation instead of a member of the whole world community. Canadians usually strike me as very cosmopolitan people, but all this talk about patriotism makes me wary. Also, it seems that you all keep making this a personal business and judging my persona, while I only asked for some info if you have it and not to be weighed and measured. It doesn't matter, but I just want you to know that it's not appreciated.

 

[mdh]

Gentlemen, gentlemen, let's not mislead, allow me to fill in the details...

Your CSIS training will be as follows. First you will be issued a Walther PPK 9MM and a License to Kill. This is done at the insistence of CSIS which feels your traditional preference for the .22 calliber Berretta with a taped handle is not powerful enough to do the job in sticky situations. Next you will be issued an Aston Martin sportscar, (painted in a nice gold matte color scheme) with a convenient ejector seat for unruly passengers (not to mention twin machine guns, tire slashers, oil slick device, and rear-window bullet proof shield.) Once you have learned how to use these devices you must master various games of chance such as Chemin de Fer for your various appearances in swanky casinos while on overseas missions. If you don't smoke you must take it up using specially made cigarettes with three gold bands around the filter.  And while you might spend the odd bit of time watching Sikh temples and mosques in Scarboro, Ontario, in grey colored chevrolets, the guy you really have to watch for is a Ernst Stavros Blofeld, criminal mastermind and head of SPECTRE, short for Special Executive for Counter-revolution, Terror, Extortion and Revenge (or something like that).  He is often in disguise but can be identified by a large golden octopus ring usually worn on right(left?) pinky finger - although he can also be identified by a white Persian cat on his lap, I wouldn't count on it. Fortunately CSIS second language training will  be unnecessary, because Blofeld, although of German Swiss origin, is perfectly fluent in Englilsh albeit with a series of weird Euro-accents (unless you take the Telly Savalas version in Thunderball where he sounds like he's from the Bronx). In short, CSIS will prepare you for all eventualities and even though you will be shot, beaten, run over, dropped from an aircraft, nearly drowned, gassed, irradiated, electrocuted or placed into some type of chopping/slice/dice machine, I can assure you will always, and I mean always, end up sleeping with an exotic supermodel desperate to please you before the next mission begins.

PS don't make the mistake many would be spy types have of asking for a shaken - not stirred  - vodka martini. It's actually the other way around, stirred not shaken, as Ian Fleming originally intended. If someone does ask for a shaken vodka martini, shoot them.

 

[Torlyn]

mdh - lol...  Good to know I'm not the only one with the DVD collection...    Still, I think you forgot to mention Pussy Galore.. 

T

 

[Cloud Cover]

Once you have learned how to use these devices you must master various games of chance such as Chemin de Fer for your various appearances in swanky casinos while on overseas missions. If you don't smoke you must take it up using specially made cigarettes with three gold bands around the filter.  And while you might spend the odd bit of time watching Sikh temples and mosques in Scarboro, Ontario, in grey colored chevrolets, the guy you really have to watch for is a Ernst Stavros Blofeld, criminal mastermind and head of SPECTRE, short for Special Executive for Counter-revolution, Terror, Extortion and Revenge (or something like that).  He is often in disguise but can be identified by a large golden octopus ring usually worn on right(left?) pinky finger - although he can also be identified by a white Persian cat on his lap, I wouldn't count on it. Fortunately CSIS second language training will  be unnecessary, because Blofeld, although of German Swiss origin, is perfectly fluent in Englilsh albeit with a series of weird Euro-accents (unless you take the Telly Savalas version in Thunderball where he sounds like he's from the Bronx). In short, CSIS will prepare you for all eventualities and even though you will be shot, beaten, run over, dropped from an aircraft, nearly drowned, gassed, irradiated, electrocuted or placed into some type of chopping/slice/dice machine, I can assure you will always, and I mean always, end up sleeping with an exotic supermodel desperate to please you before the next mission begins.

PS don't make the mistake many would be spy types have of asking for a shaken - not stirred  - vodka martini. It's actually the other way around, stirred not shaken, as Ian Fleming originally intended. If someone does ask for a shaken vodka martini, shoot them.

Ok, my turn to piss myself laughing!!! Ernest Stavros Blofeld!!! Fuckin "A".  ;D ;D ;D And you're right ... just so there really is no mistake, my comments above are not predicated on experience, my application was rejected out of hand 2 years ago due to lack of experience in my chosen profession, and proficiency in only one language [lawbonics]. But i still dream about the supermodel!!!!

Another round of Black Bushmills please. 

 

[Lex]

There are a lot of people who would be happy to work for 65k a year, a lot of people work for less than that each year even those employed in the civil service (ie most NCM's in the military, paramedics, Customs Officers, some police services).  

What's your point? You think that it's ok? Well, I find it unacceptable that people who put their lives on the line for others and dedicaing their service to protecting and helping to sustain their communities are being treated like that and getting paid like some low level bureaucrat pushing papers. Quite true that these individuals join these services mostly because they want to help people, but that doesn't give anyone right to abuse that. Some corporate suits probably makes twice then that for exploiting people and that isn't frowned upon, or a marketing designer... a signer, for crying out loud.

P.S. Just because someone said somethign doesn't make true. Why quote something so absurd...

 

[foerestedwarrior]

Well lex, I'll give you a chance, geese how much the average income in Canada is? Well according to Stats Canada, in 1995 it was....ready $25 196. so that is just short of $40 000 a year less than what you feel is unacceptable. Now lets talk about being monetarily motivated. I think i make much more than I need, almost $10 000 over the average, so ya, if I made almost twice what I do now, I would just own a lot more crap. $65k is still alto. Maby not for you, but for like the 80%(approx) that don't make that much, it is still a lot.

 

[Lex]

Yes, in 1995, so? What was the lowest, highest and average pay for CF personnel or civil workers at that time? It's easy to look at it considering price index or look at house prices in 1995 and now. How long would it take one to earn enough to own a house?

P.S. Anyone finds it rather suspicious that stats canada doesn't have any info on average income after 1995?

 

[Torlyn]

Yes, in 1995, so? What was the lowest, highest and average pay for CF personnel or civil workers at that time?

Dear lord.  Stop being a lazy ass.  Go look for that information instead of the school-yard "yeah so" response.  You're reducing yourself to the "I know you are but what am I" level of argument.  Mind you, if you think that yours are well thought out responses, you've got a LOT further to go.  It makes me glad that the policing screening tests will eliminate you as a potential candidate.  Face it.  If you want money (and you obviously do) GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.  You won't find it in the civil service.  `nuff said.

In regards to the PS...  Conspiracy theorist, aren't you?  First, it's CSIS and clouds of smoke, then it's statscan and their statistics (which, I might add, only do a census every 10 years...  Don't you find it suspicious that they came out in 1975, 1985, 1995, 200??  Spooky.  :)

If you're trying to say that the CF are underpaid, there are MUCH better ways of doing that, and I'm sure all serving members here will fully agree that they need to be paid more.  Why do you keep arguing a moot point?

T

 

[Gouki]

..Lex, You care too much about the money and material BS instead of doing the job/career for what it is.

Is it right that suits who exploit others make a lot of money? Probably not. Is it right that people who defend their countries don't make much? Maybe not. But like it or not, that's the entire freaking point.. Think for once. Defending your country is not something that should be monetarily motivated. That is why so many soldiers do not join for the money - tell me one infanteer who said "well I joined the Canadian infantry because I was attracted by great income" and I will show you a man who is snorting coke.

Likewise, people who care too darn much about money and accumulation of worthless things, seem to be business men in Armani suits who exploit others. You know what you sound like more? It isn't the former, how is that for a clue?

You will never be recruited for CSIS given that aspect of your attitude. In fact, you won't do well in any Government job ... as was previously pointed out I believe.

Please go look for employment elsewhere.. the military or CSIS for that matter does not need people with such attitudes and motivations joining their ranks .. save it for people who want to join it for the right reasons.

 

[Scott]

Lets keep it civil please, gents.

What's your point? You think that it's ok? Well, I find it unacceptable that people who put their lives on the line for others and dedicaing their service to protecting and helping to sustain their communities are being treated like that and getting paid like some low level bureaucrat pushing papers. Quite true that these individuals join these services mostly because they want to help people, but that doesn't give anyone right to abuse that.

Why do you think it's being abused? I am a firefighter and I don't feel one bit abused, not many of them do, we're compensated quite fairly, IMHO.

 

[Lex]

Yes, ok, what kind of property can you own on your salary? How long would it take for someone to establish a quality living in personal dwelling from scratch with loan debt of at leat 30000 after graduation on fireman's pay? Maybe you own property in other countires... do you? Maybe you bought your car for cash instead of taking lease or financing? What about an apartment or a house, do you actually own either or is that the bank that does? Can you afford going abroad every year for a vacation or actually take a vacation?

..Lex, You care too much about the money and material BS instead of doing the job/career for what it is.

Is it right that suits who exploit others make a lot of money? Probably not. Is it right that people who defend their countries don't make much? Maybe not. But like it or not, that's the entire freaking point.. Think for once. Defending your country is not something that should be monetarily motivated. That is why so many soldiers do not join for the money - tell me one infanteer who said "well I joined the Canadian infantry because I was attracted by great income" and I will show you a man who is snorting coke.

Likewise, people who care too darn much about money and accumulation of worthless things, seem to be business men in Armani suits who exploit others. You know what you sound like more? It isn't the former, how is that for a clue?

You will never be recruited for CSIS given that aspect of your attitude. In fact, you won't do well in any Government job ... as was previously pointed out I believe.

Please go look for employment elsewhere.. the military or CSIS for that matter does not need people with such attitudes and motivations joining their ranks .. save it for people who want to join it for the right reasons.

I am sorry, all I hear is that you are a sheep who likes to be taken advantage off. Just because something is the way it is, doesn't mean it should remain that way or that it's right. My personal interests are irrelelvant to the original request or to the issue of underpaid government employees, and why would you ever think that your opinion of me matters? I am neither contesting title of Miss populairty nor running for a prime minister's sit to tremble over someone's approval.

 

[Scott]

I can own property on my salary, I can own vehicles, in fact it's entirely possible to be quite comfortable on what I make, and I am. Thing is, if I was all about money then maybe it would matter, but I am not, so it doesn't.

Now, Lex, you have a point of view which has not changed and you have not expanded upon, all you have done is call people here sheep and keep repeating yourself. That hardly backs up your statements, in fact it just pisses people off. I am one of the so called sheep and I am perfectly happy where I am. If you are not happy with the pay offered by a certain occupation then it is your right to turn down the work.

 

[Lex]

Don't even go there... a person can get used to anything. A slave can feel much more comfortable then a homeless man if s/he gets fed and a roof over the head and tell everyone that his/condition is quite fair. It's all a matter of comparison. However, actual justice is something else.

Yes, as a fireman, you can be satisfied with what you get, no arguement there... However, current inequalities among social classes in general are too large to simply dismiss them.

 

[George Wallace]

Gents

With all this talk about money, I begin to have my "spider senses" tingle.  Any Intelligence Operative who is in the game for monetary reasons is suspect.  Likelihood of becoming a Rogue or Double Agent would seem to be the correct guess if any suspicions arose.  This is a game where paranoia runs rampant.  Money buys a lot, and it may not necessarily come from your side, but the enemies.

Pause and think about it.

GW

 

[Lex]

Why, that's obvious.... however, most of the people who join police, for instance, don't go there for money, but end up corrupt, why? In the end, they find out that they are not treated farily, they get fed up...

Personally, I don't care much for pay grade as long as I know that I will be paid enough to take care of myself in case of emergency and lead a comfortable life-style off work, but it's the inequality that bothers me.

 

[ibucephalus]

Oh my. Do threads get locked on this board? I think we will soon find out. To add an exclamation point to the end of a thread that has rapidly descended into the absurd, here is an image I found of a CSIS intelligence officer on a training ex. Who said these guys aren't well paid?

 

[48Highlander]

so most cops are corrupt eh?  you're not associated with OCAP are ya?

 

[mdh]

Boyz,

Who is this Lex anyway? A misunderstood post-adolescent poster? A CSIS wannabe driven by the highest motives of patriotism and love of country merely seeking legitimate information on this board? Or something more sinister? We would think - or presume - that CSIS is not driven by the pursuit of filthy lucre. Lex may know otherwise. But as George Wallace noted our "spider sense" should be tingling now that we see the discord and internal dissension swelling among our own ranks. We may never know for sure, but this "Lex" - if that's his real name - may have the last laugh as he floats in the Pacific in an escape pod with the latest Cubby Broccoli voluptuary drinking Dom Perignon 63' and eating pate fois gras out of the emergency ration locker. We army types will have to be content with digging ditches and following suicidal frontal section attacks against heavily defended strongpoints in Gagetown. It's rough, it's not fair, but as that great existentialist comedian Bill Murray said in Stripes, we do have one thing in common, we were all stupid enough to join the army.

 

[Gouki]

Lex with all your talk about social inequalities and such I'm beginning to wonder if you're a communist.

In all honesty though, you aren't backing up one single thing. You just sit there and call "oh you're a sheep blah blah" and make your speeches but it's just empty, open ended insults. You may have well insulted my mother.

Yeah, people really are stupid for being patriotic and loving the country they are a part of. Yeah, I am really a sheep for recognizing the fundamental factors involved in certain careers.

The fact that I can see and realize and accept that the people who really love their job don't need to be offered tons of $$$ to do it does not make me a sheep. It makes me realistic and it makes me know I do what I want to do and not because I think about what kind of stupid property I may own, or car I drive.

Wake up Lex, you're the one who cares about this. You're the one who may as well go be a suit and make lots of money, since it seems to be the main concern on your mind. You seem more concerned with the possessions and accumulations of things and those sort of benefits than you do about the career itself. It goes far in saying what you value, even if you never came right out and said it. You buy into that entire train of thought.

You're the sheep, not me, not anyone else here who do what they do out of love of the job, just you.