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"We can not and must not tolerate drug use or even think of legalize it."
What are alcohol and tobacco, if not dangerous drugs?
What are alcohol and tobacco, if not dangerous drugs?
CivU said:"We can not and must not tolerate drug use or even think of legalize it."
What are alcohol and tobacco, if not dangerous drugs?
KevinB said:MCG - 100%
48th Truth hurts - suck it up.
Fact is despite what the media and other long hair dope smoking tree hugging type want your to think - Org crime runs the business - just like peeler bars etc.
Hunter said:If pot was legalized, how do people think this would impact CF policy on marijuana? If something was legal in Canadian society, would the CF be forced to change it's policy? Just wondering what people's opinions are.
Glorified Ape said:Thank you. I don't think there's a great mystery as to which ones kill the most people, either. From my experience, stoned people are generally less violent, belligerent, destructive, etc. than drunk people. If I had to choose between weed and booze, which drug to outlaw, it would be booze - especially when you look at the chemical dependency issue. That would make me sad, of course, since I drink but don't smoke (weed, anyway).
Wesley H. Allen said:Hummm, stoned people less violent? PCP, crack, and other nasty things like heroin.
Wesley H. Allen said:Soft drugs in many cases are a stepping stone to the worse ones
Wesley H. Allen said:At the end of the day, its called being responsible for one's actions. You only get issued ONE life, so be careful with it.
Wesley H. Allen said:The CF and any other professional army should maintain a ZERO tollerance on drugs. You know where I stand.
Wesley H. Allen said:I disagree completly with the above quote! So you would approve of drugs within the CF? Not slinging shyte at ya GA, but thats pure and UTTER nonsense! Time to take a bite out the reality choc chip cooke, and not laced with hash either!
Soft drugs in many cases are a stepping stone to the worse ones, where in booze you can only go from beer-wine to whiskey (and yes there is also violence involving this too). At the end of the day, its called being responsible for one's actions. You only get issued ONE life, so be careful with it.
In your experience, you're 24yrs old (according to your profile)! If this is the case of the new quality jr leadefship in the CF, they must be handing out commissions like speeding tickets at the Indy 500!
The CF and any other professional army should maintain a ZERO tollerance on drugs. You know where I stand.
Wesley H. Allen said:48, I am NO idiot, so don't talk to me like one. Besides, what do you know, you can't even spell it correctly, there is no 'y' in it. We are both seasoned posters, so no reason to have an attitude or to get stroppy over my post.
Wesley H. Allen said:Over the past 30yrs, have seen my fare share of the after effects on drug abuse, which evolved from soft drugs to much harder ones, and sadly invloved the cold blooded MURDER of my couisn and her husband in Vernon BC in the late 90's, and the murder of a school friend in Regina in 1977 (over grass). I have also heard the same from seasoned members of the police in three countries (Canada, USA, and Australia). So I do know the difference, and although I am no expert on the matter, I think life experience helps out in this case, so I know exactly what I am talking about to some degree anyways.
Wesley H. Allen said:Firstly, GA's quote said STONED people, not stoned people on grass.
Wesley H. Allen said:ZERO tolerance on drinking in the CF and ADF - Isn't there already the case in many instances within Defence? Some examples, in uniform, on EX, on duty 9in civvies or not), a time period before operating a DND veh, etc. Its pretty much the same here in Australia, and no booze in the field means NO booze. However at ENDEX, at the COs discretion, its a different story, but I have seen dry Ex's from begining to end without ONE drop of booze. Besides at the end of the day we are training for war, not to drink ourselves into a stuper, and become a safety hazard and a risk to our fellow soldats.
Wesley H. Allen said:Seems many sites that disagree with the gateway theory are for the pro-use of this drug, and other leftist type sites. I am not saying that this is in all cases, as I know many who have stayed at the soft drug level, and still are doing it (after 30yrs), others grew out of it, while others yet again graduated to the worst kind, and are now ruined because of this.
Wesley H. Allen said:Others claim teen use (undermatured brains in youth) promotes permanent brain damage, and a host of other problems in older people.
Wesley H. Allen said:In most asian countries, it can be a DEATH penalty for even to be inpossession of grass alone. Look at Indonesia, and Singapore for example. Its not just in our culture that drugs are considered bad, and to top it all off look at those Mounties who were killed, all because of grass.
The crime rate in Amsterdam is lower than many major U.S. cities. Mario Lap, a key drug policy advisor in the Netherlands national government says "We've had a realistic drug policy for 30 years in the Netherlands, and we know what works. We distinguish between soft and hard drugs, between traffickers and users. We try not to make people into criminals" (Houston Chronicle). In 1989 the LAncet report states "The Dutch have shown that there is nothing inevitable about the drugs ladder in which soft drugs lead to heard drugs. The ladder does not exist in Holland because the dealers have been separated."
48Highlander said:Amsterdam's legalization of marijuana removed the criminal element from the industry, thereby providing many positive changes in their society such as:
CODE OF CONDUCT OF THE ROYAL NETHERLANDS ARMY
As a serviceman/woman or civilian employee I make an important contribution to the defense of our country and to peace and safety in the world. In doing so, I adhere to the following code of conduct:
1. I try to do my best and am prepared to learn from my mistakes.
2. Both my attitude and my behaviour show that I am proud to work for the Royal Netherlands Army.
3. As a member of a team, I need my colleagues and they need me. For this reason I also feel responsible for their well-being and, if necessary, I call them to account for their actions.
4. I am responsible for the correct use of the equipment and funds entrusted to me and of the services offered to me.
5. In all my actions I consider the safety of myself and my surroundings. For this reason, I avoid drugs and limit my alcohol intake.
6. I respect human rights and adhere to the rules laid down in the law of war. I treat everyone equally and with respect, and wherever possible offer aid to fellow humans in need.
7. I carry out my assigned tasks professionally, even in difficult circumstances or in the event of danger to my own life.
8. I never abuse the power entrusted to me. I shall use force if ordered to, but never more than is necessary for completing my tasks. Anyone, certainly my opponent, may be sure that I am resolute and persistent.