Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[Altair]

No but its a good campaign point to bring up for the perpetually and unreasonably scared soccer moms and dads. Makes them feel all warm and safe.

Pretty much this.

 

[Remius]

The city of Ottawa is going to have a lot to answer for. As much as people here are upset at the Convoy occupiers they are just as much upset with the city leadership on how this was handled.

 

[Altair]

The city of Ottawa is going to have a lot to answer for. As much as people here are upset at the Convoy occupiers they are just as much upset with the city leadership on how this was handled.

You're wrong.

The mayor of Ottawa isn't running again and the Ottawa police chief just quit.

There isn't anyone left to hold to account.

 

[Remius]

Pretty much this.

Then we all agree that the EA was not required for anything other than political expediency.

 

[Remius]

You're wrong.

The mayor of Ottawa isn't running again and the Ottawa police chief just quit.

There isn't anyone left to hold to account.

If you think the members of the police board and other incumbent councillors won’t be held accountable you are wrong.

 

[Altair]

If you think the members of the police board and other incumbent councillors won’t be held accountable you are wrong.

Police board members say that Sloly made all the decisions and the councilors say the Mayor made all the decisions.

Lots of finger pointing going to happen, those two will eat a lot of it, but those two are gone.

 

[Altair]

Then we all agree that the EA was not required for anything other than political expediency.

I wont ever expect a politician to not act politically.

But politicians are slaves to public opinion. So at the end of the day the collective public do drive the agenda to an extent.

 

[KevinB]

Police board members say that Sloly made all the decisions and the councilors say the Mayor made all the decisions.

Lots of finger pointing going to happen, those two will eat a lot of it, but those two are gone.

The "I was just following orders" defense died at Nuremberg

 

[Good2Golf]

Police board members say that Sloly made all the decisions and the councilors say the Mayor made all the decisions.

Lots of finger pointing going to happen, those two will eat a lot of it, but those two are gone.

Police Board members also told the press that Sloly was resigning before he even new he was resigning…

This isn’t over by a long shot.

 

[Altair]

The "I was just following orders" defense died at Nuremberg

We both know that is BS.

An inquiry will be held.

The ottawa mayor and ottawa police chief will get the lions share of the blame.

Both wont care.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Not to derail this thread but has anyone noticed this article from Sunday.



Peterborough is just down the road from Savage Arms in Lakefield. When their production is humming 2,000 firearms can be about three or four days of production so quite a few trucks full of firearms go out of there.

An update

Firearms, trailer stolen from Peterborough recovered in Peel Region: police | Globalnews.ca

Peterborough police and manufacturer Savage Arms have yet to determine if the trailer contains the more than 2,000 small calibre firearms that were taken.

globalnews.ca

Firearms, trailer stolen from Peterborough recovered in Peel Region: police​

Peterborough police say a trailer and a “large quantity” of firearms reported stolen on the weekend have been recovered in Peel Region.

Early Wednesday, police issued a statement that the trailer and its contents are being returned to the Peterborough Police Service and manufacturer Savage Arms to determine if anything is missing among the more than 2,000 small calibre firearms. Savage Arms, based in nearby Lakefield, said the theft involved one of its shipping partners.

Police did not state where the trailer exactly the trailer was found.

A truck and trailer carrying the firearms were stolen around 3 a.m. Sunday from a trucking company on Parkhill Road East in Peterborough.

Police say the truck was located on Monday night in Brampton.

On Tuesday afternoon, police said their investigation did not appear to connect the theft of the firearms to the ongoing protests across Ontario. Police were calling it “an isolated crime of opportunity” as the evidence showed the suspects had earlier tried to steal trucks from other commercial yards.

A search for the suspects, however, continues as of Wednesday morning.

“Peterborough Police would like to thank Peel Regional Police and the other law enforcement agencies that continue to assist with this case. Thank you to public and media for helping to get the descriptions of the vehicles involved out,” police said.

 

[QV]

I'm talking specifically about the situation in Ottawa.

The other border protests seem to have been resolved without issue, but there are more trucks and protestors in Ottawa than there are frontline Ottawa police to deal with them, so in that case they may be overwhelmed.

I assume you're not going to try to insinuate that all these protests are the exact same and have the same set of circumstances on the ground, because that would be foolish.

So long as they are not violent or harassing people, they are exercising freedom of peaceful assembly. That is why the police haven't cleared them out. Notice, the injunctions issued were directly related to matters that are not your right (you have no right to honk all day and night causing mischief, but you do have a right to peacefully assembly).

 

[Remius]

Police board members say that Sloly made all the decisions and the councilors say the Mayor made all the decisions.

Lots of finger pointing going to happen, those two will eat a lot of it, but those two are gone.

Diane Deans, mayoral hopeful and head of the Ottawa police board is taking a lot of heat and is deflecting.

If you look at some of these councillors (a lot that support the mayor btw) they flip flopped so much on social media regarding this.

Anyone who is linked to Watson and is running for mayor is going to have an uphill battle this coming election.

Plenty of calls to dump most of council because no one has shown real leadership.

It’s guaranteed there will be an inquiry and I’m sure it will come out. But council members are already turning on each other.

Here: Sloly was left 'hanging out to dry' as Ottawa police struggled to control occupation, former board chair says

Just a local story from one councillor about his peers.

 

[QV]

When the police are not doing their jobs, what do you do?

The police are doing exactly their jobs by keeping the peace and allowing the exercise of fundamental rights. Just because Trudeau disagrees with the Charter doesn't mean the police do.

 

[Remius]

So long as they are not violent or harassing people, they are exercising freedom of peaceful assembly. That is why the police haven't cleared them out. Notice, the injunctions issued were directly related to matters that are not your right (you have no right to honk all day and night causing mischief, but you do have a right to peacefully assembly).

Non violent does not always equate to peaceful. It should be lawful vs unlawful. This one is no longer lawful.

 

[Halifax Tar]

What exactly did people want the police to do ?

 

[Altair]

The police are doing exactly their jobs by keeping the peace and allowing the exercise of fundamental rights. Just because Trudeau disagrees with the Charter doesn't mean the police do.

So what were the police in Windsor doing then?

 

[Altair]

What exactly did people want the police to do ?

I think Windsor is a good template for what people want to be done.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Windsor is a different beast, no ?

 

[Altair]

And again, I offer my sincere condolences for all the protestors killed and wounded during the Windsor police bridge clearing operation.