Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Maxman1]

Was that number greater than or less than 10% of those newly required to carry a pistol?

Good, you?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Good, you?

I was just wondering how big of an impact did it have?

 

[Maxman1]

I was just wondering how big of an impact did it have?

I don't know the exact figures, just that they had people walk when their jobs were changed.

 

[RangerRay]

I worked in a ministry where staff were told they could either become enforcement officers or receive a pink slip.

It was not optimal.

 

[lenaitch]

I agree. For example if the CCG vessel has a suite of RCN radars and sensors installed, and the data is plugged into the wider defence surveillance networks, why isn’t that a subset of the 2%. And why would they CCG walk off the job over that? It would be a highly contributory piece of the surveillance network without the burden of being a combat platform.

Elbow up and were all in this together, so to speak.

Because people now might want to shoot at you?

Whatever number who wouldn't want to sign on to the change would be added to the pool of people the RCN has to recruit from.

Maybe a split service, like the USCG's 'white fleet' and 'black fleet' Do they get to claim the part of their CG that pushes ice and drops buoys in Great Lakes simply because the entire service falls under the DOD?

 

[lenaitch]

Except the big issue is maybe the Leo 2 isn't the best tank for Canada, then you throw good money after bad...


You really can't store vehicles outside for long - unless they are prepped for LTS and tarped, even then they need maintenance every 4-6 months.
Since you need to conduct maintenance on them anyway, it is much easier for everyone to have them in a climate controlled facility - where they can be parked for time, then moved around to diagnostic and maintenance bays, then return to "ready parking"/

The unfortunate inclusion of ethanol in the fuels in North America means that fuel lines will never last as long as they once did, and I am sure other parts as well.

Most modern gasoline engines and their hoses, fittings, etc. are good for up to about E15, although there is still a moisture issue since ethanol is both hydrophilic and hygroscopic (water bonding and water absorbing). I'm not that familiar with diesel but long term storage with any kind of fuel on board would be problematic as anyone who has ignored their seasonal outdoor equipment has probably discovered at least once.

Buying stuff and putting it on a shelf then walking away declaring 'job done' is just so government as we learned with PPE stockpiles during Covid. If they actually built in PM and facilities, under the usual accounting practices, a pickup truck would be costed at a millions dollars and everyone would go nuts.

At least the food industry and probably the medical community manage their stockpiles so they don't, you know, kill people.

 

[RangerRay]

I worked in a ministry where staff were told they could either become enforcement officers or receive a pink slip.

It was not optimal.

To further add:

The enforcement section ended up being staffed by people unsuitable for enforcement. But union rules said they had first dibs if they were issued a pink slip.

They received investigation training but no training in dealing with angry people in an enforcement situation in the field. Their only experience before then was to maybe write a stern letter to a non-compliant licensee.

 

[Fabius]

I agree. For example if the CCG vessel has a suite of RCN radars and sensors installed, and the data is plugged into the wider defence surveillance networks, why isn’t that a subset of the 2%. And why would they CCG walk off the job over that? It would be a highly contributory piece of the surveillance network without the burden of being a combat platform.

Elbow up and were all in this together, so to speak.

Having a suite of RCN radars and data links; on CCG ships in the current CCG configuration; plugged into the Defence networks would not meet the requirements for NATO to include those items into our 2%.

The NATO wording seems clear. The CCG would need to be trained, equipped and able to operate under direct military authority overseas in order to have it be counted.

They might also include parts of other forces such as Ministry of Interior troops, national police forces, coast guards etc. In such cases, expenditure is included only in proportion to the forces that are trained in military tactics, are equipped as a military force, can operate under direct military authority in deployed operations, and can, realistically, be deployed outside national territory in support of a military force.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Having a suite of RCN radars and data links; on CCG ships in the current CCG configuration; plugged into the Defence networks would not meet the requirements for NATO to include those items into our 2%.

The NATO wording seems clear. The CCG would need to be trained, equipped and able to operate under direct military authority overseas in order to have it be counted.

I agree, and know that.

The LPC and Mark Carney want Canadians to see things differently.
And no matter what the book definition is, they will not walk that back.

 

[ytz]

I was told the CAF is fine and we don't need payraises. I wonder how many young Privates are using this....

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[Cloud Cover]

You don’t need a pay raise, you need decent, clean affordable housing.

 

[ytz]

I agree, and know that.

The LPC and Mark Carney want Canadians to see things differently.
And no matter what the book definition is, they will not walk that back.

I'm really not fussed. What they say in Canada is irrelevant. What they do will determine whether they get a deal in Europe. And that's clearly what he wants: some kind of broad agreement and trade deal that will at least save us from the absolute worst of American behaviour.

 

[ytz]

You don’t need a pay raise, you need decent, clean affordable housing.

Potayto Potahto.

 

[Cloud Cover]

100% agree.

And I personally don’t mind the CCG being a part of the defence surveillance program. They should be given that mandate and the equipment. They don’t have to partake in any enforcement, but they could sure help with the radar and data collection aspects of defence.

 

[lenaitch]

To further add:

The enforcement section ended up being staffed by people unsuitable for enforcement. But union rules said they had first dibs if they were issued a pink slip.

They received investigation training but no training in dealing with angry people in an enforcement situation in the field. Their only experience before then was to maybe write a stern letter to a non-compliant licensee.

Not long before I retired I did a study of all 'investigation and enforcement' services across all ministries of the Ontario government. The idea was to study the feasibility of the OPP gathering them all under one roof (it went nowhere, for good reason). The first thing I learned was the concepts of 'investigation', 'enforcement', 'compliance', etc. in relation to regulatory law were loose, varied and ill-defined. Tasks such reviewing financial documents or writing a letter were often considered to be included.

 

[MilEME09]

You don’t need a pay raise, you need decent, clean affordable housing.

100% a pay raise is a band aid solution, and a bad one at that

 

[Halifax Tar]

100% a pay raise is a band aid solution, and a bad one at that

Your boy seems to think its a good idea.

Carney vows pay raises, new equipment to bolster Canada's military

Liberal Leader said Ottawa should view military procurement as a way to boost investment in Canada and end sending money to the U.S. Read on

financialpost.com

 

[MilEME09]

Your boy seems to think its a good idea.

Carney vows pay raises, new equipment to bolster Canada's military

Liberal Leader said Ottawa should view military procurement as a way to boost investment in Canada and end sending money to the U.S. Read on

financialpost.com

It's the easy button to get to 2% quickly, unless coupled with actual reform to QOL, it will fail

 

[KevinB]

Your boy seems to think its a good idea.

Carney vows pay raises, new equipment to bolster Canada's military

Liberal Leader said Ottawa should view military procurement as a way to boost investment in Canada and end sending money to the U.S. Read on

financialpost.com

So rather than 66% ish of the CAF budget going to salaries…
Insane.

Nothing against pay raises, but there are a lot more pressing issues for the CAF, and not all will be addressed by more individual $.

 

[ytz]

Your boy seems to think its a good idea.

Carney vows pay raises, new equipment to bolster Canada's military

Liberal Leader said Ottawa should view military procurement as a way to boost investment in Canada and end sending money to the U.S. Read on

financialpost.com

It is a good idea. 100%? Ridiculous. But let's say 8% per year for the next 5 years (47% compounded over 5 years) while the government is working on a long term fix for military family housing, healthcare and childcare? That works. And they can go back to 2% increases after that.

The idea that it has to be strictly one solution or the other is ridiculous. Real life doesn't work like that.