Hearing (Merged) Including Hearing Tests and Hearing Categories

[Treemoss]

It seems that he's advising you to appeal the decision, however, IMO since you are deaf in one ear, your case is completely different than that of SPM (who Treemoss quoted).

Yes, if you feel strongly about wanting to appeal the decision go for it. But it's a long process, and if you've already been determined "deaf" medically by a doctor then I don't think it'll bold well but stranger things have happened.

It's unfortunate. Not wanting vs being told no sucks.

 

[George Wallace]

Yes, if you feel strongly about wanting to appeal the decision go for it. But it's a long process, and if you've already been determined "deaf" medically by a doctor then I don't think it'll bold well but stranger things have happened.

It's unfortunate. Not wanting vs being told no sucks.

Treemoss

This is a WARNING.

Please pay heed to this warning NOT TO GIVE ADVICE where you are NOT QUALIFIED to do so.  You are not yet a member of the Canadian Armed Forces, and NOT A RECRUITER, so you are well outside your lanes to be giving advice on matters you have no experience or knowledge on.

 

[Treemoss]

Treemoss

This is a WARNING.

Please pay heed to this warning NOT TO GIVE ADVICE where you are NOT QUALIFIED to do so.  You are not yet a member of the Canadian Armed Forces, and NOT A RECRUITER, so you are well outside your lanes to be giving advice on matters you have no experience or knowledge on.

I was simply offering my opinion on the situation? I wasn't going over anyones head here at all. But fine, I'll just stop posting all together.

 

[AlexGallant]

I don't find it anywhere but what is the hearing standard to pass ? H1,H2,H3,H4

 

[Occam]

I don't find it anywhere but what is the hearing standard to pass ? H1,H2,H3,H4

Use Google to search the site.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3A+army.ca+enrolment+hearing+standard

 

[DAA]

I don't find it anywhere but what is the hearing standard to pass ? H1,H2,H3,H4

See the heading "Common Enrolment Medical Standard", which will tell you that you can't be sorse than an H2.  The only "exceptions" to CEMS, are for those with prior CF Service and who are trying to rejoin in the exact same occupation that they were in, when they released.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-policies-standards-medical-occupations/cf-medical-category-system.page

 

[HopefullyNotH3]

Tried the search option - no result.

Good morning.

I am fairly confident that I passed the hearing test (I got a glimpse at my audiogram results and the graph was similar to the examples of good hearing that I found online)

However, I may have screwed myself at the beginning by not responding promptly to the first couple of sounds.

The first sound I heard was 1 beep quickly followed by 2 beeps, but at a lower frequency. I thought I only had to respond to that first beep, since the next two beeps appeared to be from the same "sound". After that... I decided to quickly respond to every beep I heard, regardless of how close together they were.

I'm probably over thinking this, but any insight you guys can provide in regards to the audiogram test will be appreciated.

Thanks, have a good week.

Is a re-do possible?

 

[Centro]

I just asked if I passed and looked at results with the medical guy. Not sure why you wouldn't just ask him or her what your results were.

Besides that, I'm sure they would have told you if you failed a hearing test.

 

[sarahsmom]

The test is administered by a computer program. If it (the computer) feels you did not answer correctly (buzzed in too many times per sound, or not quickly enough) it will make you test that sound again until it is satisfied that you are not guessing.
Normally it "beeps" 3 times in a row, to give your ear time to recognize to the frequency. You only need to press the buzzer once. Again if you buzz in too many times, the machine will play the instructions again and the test will restart.

If it was the old school machine that is completely controlled by the tester, it is subject to operator error, but the same principle applies.  If the tester thinks you haven't heard the sound, they will retest that frequency until they are convinced of the result.

*Most* trades in the military do not require perfect hearing. So no need to stress about this test. If the result are truly concerning to the medic or M.O. at recruiting, they may ask you to get a formal audiogram done at an outside hearing clinic.
You will repeat his hearing test EVERY time you do a medical with the military, btw.

 

[zurst]

As far as I understand the hearing requirements are H2 to join.

I just got back from my second hearing test and scored in the H1 category for all frequencies (between 8 and 14dB) with the exception of 2000hz where I scored 40 in my Left ear and 35 in my right ear making my overall results an H3. 
I'm scheduled to see my family doctor and a specialist (in October) I'm hoping I'll either be able to get my issue resolved or have my condition documented and have my doctor write a letter about how little this actually affects my overall hearing.
My question is is it possible that they ever make exceptions for the entry requirement if I can't improve my one frequency? I already meet the requirements for the position (RMS clerk) and passed everything else with the exception of my hearing. Currently my application is on hold until I see the doctor.

 

[CombatDoc]

As far as I understand the hearing requirements are H2 to join.

I just got back from my second hearing test and scored in the H1 category for all frequencies (between 8 and 14dB) with the exception of 2000hz where I scored 40 in my Left ear and 35 in my right ear making my overall results an H3...My question is is it possible that they ever make exceptions for the entry requirement if I can't improve my one frequency?

No exceptions. They are called Common Enrollment Medical Standards for a reason. Good luck with your application.

 

[medicineman]

No exceptions. They are called Common Enrollment Medical Standards for a reason. Good luck with your application.

Beat me to it.

MM

 

[LBeirnes]

Hello,

Just a quick question for everyone. I recently went for my interview and medical, and passed the interview no problem but the medical hearing test was a bit of a different story. The gentleman doing the test found I have hearing loss in the 8000Hz range below 75dB, and I have to go for a specialized hearing test. I looked at the hearing test topic on here and it seems that I would fit into the H2 range for between 500 and 3000Hz, so I am not sure why this test is required? Also wondering if I am able to get the test done at a hearing center instead of waiting for a referral to an audiologist which could take quite some time.

I would appreciate any insight you can provide,

Thanks

 

[mariomike]

I looked at the hearing test topic on here

There is more than one,

Hearing test - confused?
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/122385/post-1423027/topicseen.html#new

Question on Hearing Catagory....WHAT???? 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/72861.0

Hearing tests and category 
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/55464.0.html

H2 Hearing but "Does not Meet Common Enrolment Medical Standards"
http://army.ca/forums/threads/113415.0

Hearing Test Questions 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/32508.0

Hearing Test failed 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/84639.0

High-Frequency Hearing Loss 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/98867.0

Hearing test in transfer medical.... 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/97359.0

Medical question on hearing 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/104480.0

Hearing Issue 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/119658.0

Hearing 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/118592.0

Hearing Test/Audiogram Question 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/118944.0

RMO Review Decision Denied on very minor H3 Hearing -- Best way to Appeal?
https://army.ca/forums/threads/91297.0

Hearing for Marine electrician 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/87845.0/nowap.html

Can I join if I have terrible hearing?
https://army.ca/forums/threads/111944.0

slight hearing loss 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/87556.0

Hearing requirements ?
http://army.ca/forums/threads/64213.0

See also,

Table of Hearing standards
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/about-policies-standards-medical-occupations/cf-hearing-standards.page

As always, Recruiting is your most trusted source of information.

 

[LBeirnes]

Thank you for that, appreciate the help.

 

[mariomike]

Thank you for that, appreciate the help.

You are welcome. Good luck. 

 

[frankunderwood]

Hello, Im interested in joining the Air Force as an officer. Does the Air Force accept new recruits who have the Cochlear Implants surgery?

 

[Drew Grey]

Okay so first off let me start by saying I have searched through a lot of the hearing threads and still have a question regarding hearing.

I currently work in the trades and have been exposed to some loud noises as well as iv been to some concerts with some pretty ear shattering bass. Point is my hearing is fine and I have no trouble hearing people and sounds. However, When it comes to hearing faint noises over loud background noise I am a little bit handicapped. I understand hearing does not need to be perfect for infantry and combat engineer (which is what I applied for). Should I be worried? Im guessing pretty well everyone who has applied for the forces doesn't have perfect hearing right?

 

[Loachman]

I've merged all of the links that mariomike provided above, less the last one as it is not an Army.ca thread, and stickied this.

Drew Grey - Either you meet the Common Enrolment Standards, or you do not (as discussed in this and other medical-related threads). You will not know for certain until you apply and see the results of your medical testing.

 

[MirrorsEdge]

As far as I understand the hearing requirements are H2 to join.

Got a question for clarification, since I'm doing my medical in the next week or so (just waiting on the actual date to get scheduled). And apologies if the answer is somewhere and I haven't seen it, but I have looked to no avail.

My trade specific standard is H3 (the whole string is 423225), but the Common Enrollment Standard that I've heard mentioned is H2. Does that mean that over the course of a military career, it could degrade to H3 and if it ever became H4, you'd be deemed unfit, but that to get in to start would require an H2 or higher? Or would you be allowed in even if you had H3 to start?

The reason I ask is because on another thread, it says:
"Based on the above standards, the minimum Medical Category you need to be enrolled is 432225
If you do meet the common standard, your medical category is then compared to the minimum category for your selected occupations."

I have no idea what my hearing levels actually are and obviously that will come out in a medical and maybe an audiologist exam. I do have hearing aids and wear them occasionally, but usually only for times when it's critical (job interviews) or things like classrooms, so obviously I have a slight problem. Speaking to one military medical person informally, I was told that "unless I have cochlear implants, it shouldn't be a problem". I'm hoping that's the case