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Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

Why sure!  Let's just add to the problem!

Wake up people.

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Why has Canada only taken in 200 Syrian refugees?

The Toronto Star
By: Peter Goodspeed Atkinson Fellow, Published on Fri Sep 19 2014

Canada has resettled 200 Syrian refugees while Sweden, which has only a quarter of Canada’s population, has taken in more than 30,000.


Martin Mark boils with frustration at the inertia he says has paralyzed Canada’s refugee system during Syria’s civil war.
“There is delay, delay, delay,” says the executive director of the Catholic Office of Refugees in the Archdiocese of Toronto (ORAT). “It is spoiling our international reputation.

“If I go to a church and tell them, ‘Please do the fundraising and prepare and the refugees will come,’ I have a good chance of getting a good response. But if I finish my speech by saying it will happen three years from today, they are going to say, ‘Get out, man. Are you serious?’

“Resettlement is done worldwide now,” Mark continues. “It’s not just the U.S. and Canada. If you see other countries, where the processing time is less than one year, you have to wonder. The U.K. Germany, Sweden, Norway . . . for God’s sake, I mean the maximum there is one year. The average is four to six months.
“So how come we became the worst ever resettlement processing country?”

Once a private sponsorhip — usually involving a church group — is approved, it can take two to five years to get a refugee to Canada, depending on the country where he or she is living.

Canada’s average processing time for privately sponsored refugee applications in Lebanon is two years. In Pakistan it is 5.4 years, in Egypt, 3.5 years and in South Africa, 4.7 years.

In the three and a half years war has raged in Syria, displacing 10 million people, Canada has struggled to resettle fewer than 200 Syrian refugees overseas and is still processing asylum applications from another 1,300 who made their way to Canada on their own.

In the same period, Germany resettled 6,000, welcomed another 11,800 Syrian asylum seekers and promised to offer protection — in the form of renewable, two-year residence visas — to another 20,000 of Syria’s most vulnerable victims trapped in the Middle East.

Sweden, a country with only about a quarter of Canada’s population, has given permanent resident status to more than 30,000 Syrians.

Two months after Canada announced, in July 2013, that it would accept 200 government-sponsored Syrian refugees by the end of this year, the Swedish government said all Syrians who made it to Sweden and passed normal security checks would be given permanent residence and allowed to bring their immediate family members to live with them.

While Canadian officials were still trying to process their first government-sponsored refugee, more than 5,000 Syrians arrived in Sweden in the first three months of Stockholm’s new policy.

Canada struggles to meet this year’s target of 200 government-sponsored refugees, while Sweden welcomes 600 Syrian refugees each week.
“Canada is just failing to respond,” says Mark. “It is very sad.”

The delays point to a refugee system riven by politics and struggling against bureaucratic lethargy.

Canada already has a backlog of 21,000 sponsored-refugee applications. Churches and community associations that sponsor refugees have, since 2011, been limited in the number of new applications they can submit each year, in order to give the government time to clear the backlogs.

It seems delays are built into the system that processes applications.

In 2012, Citizenship and Immigration Canada created a new Centralized Processing Office in Winnipeg to rapidly vet private sponsorship applications. The goal was to complete the initial application review in 30 days.

An operational evaluation of the new office at the end of its first year, obtained under the Access to Information Act, concludes: “The Centralized Processing Office . . . is currently experiencing critical processing and communications backlogs at a time when application volumes are expected to increase significantly.”
Instead of the benchmark 30-day processing time, “sponsors are not receiving a case decision for almost one year,” says the departmental assessment, dated November 2013.


“At current staffing and productivity levels, it is estimated that it will take (the office) over two years to clear the existing inventory of cases, in addition to almost two and a half years to process projected 2014 application submissions,” the report predicts.

There is a risk the new backlog, on top of existing waits in visa offices overseas, could jeopardize Canada’s privately sponsored refugee targets, the study concluded.

'Even the bureaucrats in Ottawa are unhappy'

“The Winnipeg office became a disaster,” says Mark. “And it’s not just the sponsors who are unhappy — even the bureaucrats in Ottawa are unhappy.

“Until 2011 we had a lot of Immigration Canada offices processing our cases and we had an excellent relationship with the people working there. They loved the program, they helped us and they would call us if there was anything they needed. But suddenly Ottawa decided, ‘No, this is not good. Let’s not communicate with the sponsors.’

“We have thousands of cases and we have had several where, because of the delays in Immigration Canada’s processing, refugees that were hoping to come to Canada have been selected by Australia or the United Kingdom or the United States, and they are processed and have already left before the Canadian approval comes through.”

In other instances, files have sat in Winnipeg for months before being suddenly returned with a note complaining of an inconsistency in the spelling of a foreign name, a missing address or email or a garbled telephone number, Mark says.

“They find a reason to refuse to process and after one year or one and a half years you are still at Step One. It is really upsetting for the relatives, for the churches, for the refugees and for the visa offices.”

Two-thirds of Canada’s privately sponsored refugees — there were 6,623 of them in 2013 — come to the country through groups like Mark’s. There are 85 “sponsorship agreement holders,” mostly churches and some ethnic organizations, that can submit sponsorship applications for their own and other groups.
Sponsors agree to provide emotional and financial support to refugees, including housing, clothing and food, for at least a year. It costs sponsors $12,600 a year to support a single refugee and around $26,000 for a family of four.

A recent survey of Canada’s faith-based refugee sponsorship groups by Citizens for Public Justice, an Ottawa-based Christian public policy organization, found that all church-connected sponsorship groups are concerned “about the long waiting period and processing time required after a sponsorship application is submitted.”

And 92 per cent of the church refugee groups complained about the government’s lack of consultation with them.

A number of the groups indicated they are frustrated not with civil servants but with the immigration minister’s office, the report said.

This year, it took the government nearly nine months to disclose its annual quotas to private refugee sponsors, a delay that virtually paralyzed them.

Normally, the quotas are announced well ahead of time so private sponsors know how many spots they have to fill and how they will be split among Canadian visa posts around the world. That gives them time to trade applications with each other to make sure that all the refugee allocations are filled up each year. This year, however, the sponsorship agreement holders didn’t get their 2014 quotas until late August. No public explanation was given.

“This year, the shift was moving from a sort of balanced global approach towards Syria,” Immigration Minister Chris Alexander told the Star. “And as the Syrian crisis and the UN appeals have come forward, we’ve tried to shift our planning in response.”

Alexander has hinted at plans to launch a large-scale operation to assist Syrian refugees, but Canada has yet to respond to an eight-month-old UNHCR request to have resettlement countries rescue 100,000 Syrians over the next two years.

“Generally, when the UNHCR puts out an appeal, Canada looks at the number and commits to about 10 per cent,” Brian Dyck, chairman of the Sponsorship Agreement Holders Association of Canada and refugee program co-ordinator for Manitoba’s Mennonite Central Committee, wrote recently. “To date, the Canadian government has said they will take part but has not set a number. For Canada to resettle 10,000 Syrians in the next two years could be a huge undertaking, however, with proper planning and support it can be done.”

If private refugee sponsors are going to be asked to pick up a large portion of the Syrian refugees, they don’t want it to be at the expense of their existing resettlement programs.

'The Syrian situation really needs our attention'

“Sponsoring groups have focused on resettlement of other refugees around the world, and we would not want to take away from that,” Dyck wrote in a blog posted on the Mennonite Central Committee’s website. “However, the Syrian situation really needs our attention. We need groups to add Syria to their list of places that we sponsor from. That is beginning to happen, but the take-up is slow.”

“I can’t tell you the amount of anxiety and stress that Syrians are going through,” says Faisal Alazem, spokesman for the Syrian Canadian Council. “Many members of the Syrian Canadian community are concerned that there is no priority processing or family reunification programs in place to assist their families.”
In 2007, as the United States struggled to develop a military exit strategy in Iraq amid targeted attacks on the country’s Christians, Canada said it would fast-track family-class visa applications for Iraqis with close family in Canada.

In 2010, following a major earthquake in Haiti, Canada announced a special Haitian family reunification program that fast-tracked 2,200 family-class sponsorships involving more than 3,300 people.

Within 24 hours of Typhoon Haiyan hitting the Philippines in 2013, the government promised to fast-track visa applications from Filipinos “significantly and personally affected” by the catastrophe and said Filipinos already in Canada who wanted to remain would be assessed in a “compassionate and flexible manner.”
By April 2014, 1,097 Filipinos were allowed to enter Canada; 245 of them were given temporary residence permits and 852 were granted permanent residence.
No similar programs have been introduced for Syrians.

“There is no political will to be either fast or flexible,” says Naomi Alboim, chair of Queen’s University’s Policy Forum and a former deputy-minister of citizenship in Ontario. “There is nothing to prevent them from having a huge (resettlement) response. There would not need to be any major legislative or policy reform if they wanted to respond quickly to major international situations.

“They could increase their quotas tomorrow,” she insists. “There is nothing to prevent them from doing that except political will and money.”

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Sadly, I am now looking at this as "importing the poisonous barbarianism from that Region into our society" by bringing in unscreened individuals who most likely will not adopt our culture and its freedoms.  People who potentially will turn on us.  People who may not believe in our freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and equality of the sexes.  Sadly, I believe the Church organizations and bureaucrats are all wrong.
 
Rifleman62 said:
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/09/13/trudeau-opposes-revoking-canadian-passports-of-would-be-terrorists

Trudeau opposes revoking Canadian passports of would-be terrorists

Seriously this should surprise no one, he learned this bit of crap at the family dinner table >> like father, like son. IIRC, that middle fingering, insolent pirouetting SFB father of his had a few of those FLQ numpties deported to his favorite vacation destination (Cuba), then allowed them to re-enter Canada after a few years, and they all have pardons and passports.


   
 
Difficult to say which is worse - a wannabe PM who doesn't know the difference between citizenship and a passport, or a wannabe PM who objects to removing passport privileges from assholes.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Difficult to say which is worse - a wannabe PM who doesn't know the difference between citizenship and a passport, or a wannabe PM who objects to removing passport privileges from assholes.
Unbelievable, this should be a given. As far as I am concerned not only should they have the passports revoked but also charged. Canadians who don't get involved in politics need to realize that it is a crucial time for our being. Last thing we need is to turn into Europe where minorities will take over the government. By no means am I a resist but when push comes to shove we need to protect our kids futures, our freedoms, and our well-being.
 
whiskey601 said:
........ father of his had a few of those FLQ numpties deported to his favorite vacation destination (Cuba), then allowed them to re-enter Canada after a few years, and they all have pardons and passports.

What I found most interesting of that incident, is the fact that one or more of them became staunch Federalists on their return.  Deportation to a country that reflects their beliefs, may be the eye-opener that they need to show them the folly of their ways. 
 
ModlrMike said:
The problem lies not in the pot, but rather in the melting. Or lack thereof.

To beat the metaphor a bit more, the problem lies in the fire under the pot.

Multiculturalism to be successful has to hang off of a healthy trunk which is the main culture which is tolerant of other cultures that do not cross certain lines. Those lines need to be clearly marked so immigrants coming to this country can know what is and what is not acceptable. The Conservatives did make steps in that direction.
 
Colin P said:
To beat the metaphor a bit more, the problem lies in the fire under the pot.

Multiculturalism to be successful has to hang off of a healthy trunk which is the main culture which is tolerant of other cultures that do not cross certain lines. Those lines need to be clearly marked so immigrants coming to this country can know what is and what is not acceptable. The Conservatives did make steps in that direction.

That's where I was going. It's near impossible to have a truly multicultural society when some cultures refuse to integrate. I'm not talking assimilation; which is much different. When folks come from other lands and settle in self propagating cultural ghettos, without changing who or what they were in the old country, you have a recipe for the sort of extremist mafia that grows in these closed communities.
 
Mod note

Lets try to keep this on track since there is already a large thread, discussion, disection of the failure/success of multiculturalism around here.
 
If they walk among us and are willing to leave Canada to join the thugs in ISIS, why do we want to keep them here?  Take their passports and send them off.
I know it's an extra fighter that could be on the ground in Iraq or Syria or wherever, but that's one less clown in Canada, and at least if we let them go there, there's a chance that they get nailed by one of many airstrikes down there.
Hmm, to answer my own question, I imagine if they go there and get armed with an AK they can possibly kill many innocent people, and i'm not cold enough to say that's not my problem, because as a caring human, it kinda is.
 
In this article, which is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provisions of the Copyright Act from The Economist, that newspaper suggests that, despite M. Trudeau's opposition, Canadians, broadly, support the initiative:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/09/canadas-foreign-fighters
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Canada's foreign fighters[/i]
And don’t come back

Sep 23rd 2014

by M.D. | OTTAWA

AS WESTERN democracies struggle with how to deal with homegrown terrorists fighting abroad, the Conservative government of Canada has begun revoking the passports of its foreign fighters as well as people still in Canada planning to join them. Chris Alexander, minister for citizenship and immigration, would not say exactly how many passports have been revoked, only that it has been done multiple times against some of the estimated 130 Canadians fighting with extremists, dozens of whom are in Iraq and Syria.

Taking passports away from suspected terrorists is controversial. It gives other countries the incentive to respond in kind, and it severs the route home for those who might be having second thoughts. Human-rights advocates in Canada say the secretive process used to determine whether a person is a threat to national security, one of the criteria for having your passport revoked, allows the government to make arbitrary decisions. These can be challenged in court but only within 30 days of the decision.

The British government ran into opposition earlier this month when it contemplated confiscating the passports of its citizens suspected of fighting for the Islamic State (IS), potentially blocking them from coming home. Australia, another source of foreign fighters, is embroiled in a debate over a move by the government to declare entire regions no-go zones, making it a crime for Australians to travel there. Under the proposed legislation, the government in Canberra does not have to prove that the purpose of travel is terrorism, only that the person went to the specified zone.

Ever since the attacks on the United States in 2001, Canada has been toughening its terrorism legislation. In 2004 a Liberal government brought in a law allowing it to revoke passports under certain circumstances. This is the power the government is now using. In 2013 the Conservative government made it a crime to leave or attempt to leave the country for the purpose of committing terrorist acts abroad. Earlier this year the government passed a law allowing it to revoke the citizenship—not just the passport—of dual citizens convicted in Canada or abroad of major crimes, including terrorism. Mr Alexander has not yet used this power but says he will do so, despite objections that this creates two-tiered citizenship.

A groundswell of opposition to the government’s decision to revoke passports is unlikely, however. Stories, like that of a 23-year-old Canadian who joined IS in April and wrote online about playing soccer with severed heads or that of a former student from Calgary threatening Canada in an IS video, tend to harden public sentiment. When Mr Alexander says the moves are necessary “to ensure that Canada’s good name is not besmirched by these people any more than it already has been and that Canadians are protected,” his message broadly resonates.



And, in the Globe and Mail, Brian Gable gives us the "foreign fighters" (and Justin Trudeau's?) reaction:

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Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/summer-fling/article20282346/#dashboard/follows/
 
cryco said:
If they walk among us and are willing to leave Canada to join the thugs in ISIS, why do we want to keep them here?  Take their passports and send them off.
I know it's an extra fighter that could be on the ground in Iraq or Syria or wherever, but that's one less clown in Canada, and at least if we let them go there, there's a chance that they get nailed by one of many airstrikes down there.
Hmm, to answer my own question, I imagine if they go there and get armed with an AK they can possibly kill many innocent people, and i'm not cold enough to say that's not my problem, because as a caring human, it kinda is.

You answered your own question, knowingly allowing "Canadians" to go and participate in this brutality is morally and ethically wrong.  As well, 1) we don't want "Canadians" acting as mouth pieces over there and legitimizing them or their cause, in the minds of impressionable people back here.  2) There is always the possibility they do not die, and somehow make it back to Canada, where they are now battle hardened, more radicalized than before they left.
 
Indeed, I hadn't thought of point 1) and I falsely assumed that by taking away their passports and sending them off does not mean they can't come back, since they still have Canadian citizenship.
So what are they doing to those they know of that want to leave and join the IS cause?
 
This is one solution that whittles down the chances of those who have left to fight for the cause of barbarianism.  We already have reports of cases like this coming in from Somalia, Libya and other Islamic states.

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Hamilton man could be first Canadian killed in anti-ISIS military campaign

The National Post
Stewart Bell and Adrian Humphreys | September 24, 2014 | Last Updated: Sep 24 9:57 AM ET

HAMILTON, Ont. —  Federal officials are trying to confirm whether a 20-year-old man from Hamilton, Ont., was killed last week during clashes between Kurdish forces and Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham fighters in northern Syria.

After disappearing two months ago, Mohamud Mohamed Mohamud reportedly phoned home to tell his mother he was with the “brothers” in Syria. A few days ago reports appeared online indicating he had been killed.

“We are aware of reports that a Canadian was killed while allegedly fighting with ISIS,” John Babcock, a Foreign Affairs spokesman, said Tuesday when asked about Mr. Mohamud. “We are following the situation closely.”

If the accounts are correct, he would be the first Canadian jihadist killed in the escalating anti-ISIS military campaign, which involves support for Kurdish militias and Iraqi forces, and a U.S.-led air campaign that struck hard on Tuesday.

Several Canadian jihadists took to Twitter following the strikes, signalling they had survived, but officials are concerned that as the coalition air strikes begin to take their toll, some foreign fighters could flee and attempt to return to Canada.

The online posts claimed a Somali-Canadian had died during ISIS raids on Kurdish villages near the Turkish border. He was not named but former classmates told the National Post the gunman in the accompanying photo was Mr. Mohamud.


Known to friends as “Mo3,” he lived with his mother, Asha, in Hamilton and is a former student of St. Thomas More Catholic Secondary School in the city’s diverse West Mountain neighbourhood, although he did not graduate from there.

His father, who lives in Minneapolis, told Voice of America last week that his son had recently become extremely devout. During a visit to Minneapolis last July, Mr. Mohamud left for the mosque but never returned.

Hamilton police referred questions about Mr. Mohamud to the RCMP, which declined to comment. Mr. Mohamud did not respond to messages sent to either of his Facebook pages. His phone was not in service.

“We did have the young man with us for a few years,” said Susanna Fortino-Bozzo, principal at St. Thomas More. “I have a very vivid recollection of him being a very friendly, very sociable member of the school community.

“The young man was a respectful and hardworking student. He was friendly, sociable, very academically oriented. He was a vibrant member of the community. He was involved in extracurricular activities,” Ms. Fortino-Bozzo said.

News of his reported death — and the circumstances of it — will shock and sadden the school community, the principal said. “It is a very difficult and challenging piece of news for us to take,” she said. “I’m hoping there is a horrible mistake or error because it is very hard to correlate what you say with the person we knew. Something like this, if it indeed is correct, is going to impact a lot of people here. There are a lot of questions.”

At St. Thomas, Mr. Mohamud was the Grade 9 representative to student council in 2008 and gave a well-received speech to the entire school, former students said. “He was very outgoing and confident. He wasn’t afraid to speak his mind. Just to run for student council in Grade 9 shows his confidence and ambition,” said Jacqueline Fitzmaurice, a former student president.

“He was energetic, he was hardworking, there was nothing out of the ordinary, nothing to connect him to any extremist perspective. This is very unexpected,” said Nick Klimchuk, who was student president when Mr. Mohamud sat on council.

In 2011, Mr. Mohamud left St. Thomas More. He then attended Sir Allan MacNab Secondary School, according to Facebook profiles, which also describe him as a model for U.S. clothing retailer Hollister Co. But school and board officials could not confirm he graduated. Several students and staff said they had no memory of him when shown a photo, and he did not appear in any of MacNab’s yearbooks.

Online, Mr. Mohamud seemed more concerned with video games than world events. He chatted about Call of Duty, a series of first-person shooter games praised for their realistic and intense combat simulation. The month of the 2011 release of the series Modern Warfare 3 he told friends on Facebook: “MW3 is actually a great game!”

Nothing on either of his Facebook pages hinted at any interest whatsoever in religion, politics or Syria.

“Our prayers are with all of those impacted by this very unfortunate death. It’s just tragic,” said Ms. Fortino-Bozzo.

In the Voice of America interview, Mr. Mohamud’s father told reporter Harun Maruf he was taken aback by his son’s sudden transformation. “He used to pray but he increased it to 24 hours of prayers, and he was rarely away from mosques,” he told Mr. Maruf.

“He arranged his travel without my knowledge, and then he ended up in Syria,” he said, adding he had transited through Turkey. He urged his son to leave before he hurt someone or was killed. “All of us are very saddened. We did not expect he would do this.”

Those who have spoken to the family emphasized there was no confirmation Mr. Mohamud was dead. Verifying deaths in Syria and Iraq is extremely difficult given the absence of reporters and diplomats. A Canadian ISIS member who was declared dead by his colleagues last summer later resurfaced to say he had been injured but was alive and in Mosul.

National Post

• Email: sbell@nationalpost.com


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I find it interesting (but not surprising), the massive amount of spin in that article.
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/terror/australian-defence-force-officer-sailor-attacked-in-sydney/story-fnpdbcmu-1227070582176

AN Australian Defence Force officer and a sailor have been attacked in two separate Sydney incidents.

Police say a 41-year-old ADF serving member was in full uniform when he was allegedly approached by two men of Middle Eastern appearance in Bella Vista this morning.

The officer told police he was threatened and assaulted about 6.30am, leaving him with minor bruising.

The attack comes amid reports that police were investigating an alleged attack on a sailor in full navy uniform in the centre of the CBD today.

The sailor’s assailant was also allegedly a man of Middle Eastern appearance.

This follows after raids in Sydney and Brisbane last week, and the killing of a man who wounded two counter-terrorism officers with a knife in a Melbourne police station. 
 
I don't know if our loser wannabes up here would have the balls to try it, but I think that it will only get worse down in Oz.  They seem to have a larger percentage of the freaks that want to rabble rouse.  Happy to read that the police capped that kid.
 
Anti-government movements have long embraced a tactic of "aggressive confrontation" which aims to provoke the police or army (government forces) to make excessive responses to seemingly minor provocation. And it worked, too ...

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... it worked so well that Europeans and North Americans elected to ignore the aims of the radicals, the Lenins, and to group them with the Martin Luther Kings.

My sense is that the current generation of Islamists/radical, militant fundamentalist Muslims/whatevers are using the same tactic. They want us to attack them with force beyond that which their actions, in and of themselves, merit. They want us to cross the street when he sees a guy with a beard and a taqiyah or keffiyeh.* They want us to fear and then shun our Muslim neighbours; they think that young Muslims in America, Australia, Britain, Canada, Denmark and so on will respond by hating their (generally) white, secular, non-Muslim neighbours (people like most of us) and join or support ever more radical Muslim movements. It worked in the past; it can work again.

I, personally, am conflicted: my heart wants our government to find and kill these guys, and I'm not overly fussed about "collateral damage" or "innocent civilians," either; but my head says that our responses need to be proportionate, we must not give the radicals what they want: martyrs.

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* The taqiyah is the Muslim skull cap, the keffiyeh is the familiar head scarf
 
Further: The Telegraph reports that British police have arrested nine men, including radical cleric Anjem Choudary, in London. "The men were arrested this morning on suspicion of being members of, or supporting, a banned organisation, a Metropolitan Police spokesman said ... Al-Muhajiroun* is understood to be the banned organisation in question, according to sources."

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* See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Muhajiroun
 
It will be interesting to watch the outcome of the arrest of Anjem Choudary, who has been the center of many reports on radicals in Britain.
 
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