Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

[Jarnhamar]

Irony is that you can self-identify as any gender that you want in the west, but they will deny someone self identifying as a terrorist.

This is probably the most astute thing I've read all year. You're 100% bang on with this.

 

[Loachman]

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/afghan-american-community-attack-elicits-horror-sorrow-043702156.html?nhp=1

In Afghan-American community, attack elicits horror, sorrow

Kristin J. Bender, The Associated Press

The Canadian Press

June 15, 2016

FREMONT, Calif. - In this Northern California city where people can buy prayer flags at the dollar store, fresh-baked Afghan bread at corner markets and feast on beef kabobs in "little Kabul's" many restaurants, Afghan-Americans are angry.

Fremont, about 40 miles southeast of San Francisco, is a bedroom city of 220,000 people with a thriving waterpark, leafy streets and a public lake. It is also home to the largest population of Afghan-Americans in the country.

With news that an attack on an Orlando, Florida, gay nightclub left 49 people dead and gunman Omar Mateen was born to Afghan immigrant parents, those in the community are expressing horror, sorrow and disbelief that one of their own could commit the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

"Every single Afghan feels really horrible because so many innocent people were killed by a mad guy," said Waheed Momand, president of the Afghan Coalition, the largest non-profit advocating for Afghan people in the U.S.

It was a tragedy that brought Momand back 15 years, when the community realized the Sept. 11 terror attacks were orchestrated by al-Qaida in Afghanistan.

In last weekend's shooting, Mateen's motivations were not yet clear. Despite pledging support to the Islamic State group in a 911 call during the attack, other possible explanations could be mental illness and shame about his own sexuality, a divisive subject among a Muslim community that often shuns gays.

"What motivated him doesn't matter — it's wrong and it's very close to our hearts. We feel sorry for the victims, and we feel sorry for the pain of their families and their loved ones. The fact that this guy was from Afghan origin makes it even worse for us," Momand said.

Federal authorities are investigating whether Mateen regularly went to the nightclub he attacked and had used gay dating apps.

Bilal Miskeenyar, a 29-year-old musician from Fremont, believes the shooter was motivated by hatred, saying it's anathema to Muslim and Afghan views.

"Whether it was anti-homosexual or not, my religion, my people and my culture does not believe in such things," he said. "I think it was hateful, and I think it was a very hideous crime, and I think people should not judge (Afghan people) because of one bad apple."

From the markets with handmade meat kabobs to the stores stocked with traditional Afghan candies and nuts, some Afghan-Americans in Fremont say they don't believe there will be a backlash against their community because of Mateen's actions.

"I have American customers, Mexican customers, Chinese customers, and everybody likes me," said Sardar Ghuss, a clerk at the Little Kabul Market. "I don't have any problems. We all work together."

But at the Maiwand Market, where fresh bread comes out of the oven throughout the day, Mojgan Mohammad Parwes said she felt some fear Monday.

"I was a little hesitant coming here today," said the 36-year-old mother of three who wears a hijab. "People are angry, and it's understandable."

What's more, those in her community are heartbroken, she said.

"They're very distraught," Parwes said. "Emotionally, they are not doing well."

Behind the market's counter Monday, it was business as usual for Kais Karimi, a 33-year-old clerk at his family's business. But his emotions were running high.

"I feel terrible. Human lives are being lost regardless of age, religion, sexual orientation or anything like that," Karimi said. "It's just sad that people are dying over the way that they think. Everybody has the right to live however they want and they should be left alone."

In the wake of Sunday's shooting, Afghan Coalition members are meeting this week to plan an interfaith vigil or service, like they did after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Momand, the group's president, remembers its effect on the U.S. Afghan community.

"Right after I found out the attack was organized from Afghanistan by al-Qaida, honestly it was one of the darkest days," he said. "Firstly, because so many people were killed that day, and second, it was coming from Afghanistan."

But 15 years later, he thinks most people understand that Afghan-Americans are just like everyone else, and they condemn terror just like everybody else.

"(Terrorism) is not the human way, it's not the American way, it's not the Afghan way and it's not the Muslim way," Momand said.

 

[Jarnhamar]

So Germany, France and Britain are Muslim countries now?

Bingo.
Their is nothing non-west about them.

 

[mariomike]

Today, the New York Times editorialized about the domestic threat to LGBT Americans and declared that they were “casualties of a society where hate has deep roots.”

Although the worst, Orlando was not the first,

A Brief History of Attacks at Gay and Lesbian Bars
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/a-brief-history-of-attacks-at-gay-and-lesbian-bars.html?action=click&contentCollection=N.Y.%20%2F%20Region&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article

 

[AbdullahD]

For those interested in the deeper Islamic position on homosexuality, from a chap who does not seem like an apologist.... (at least to me)

https://shaykhatabekshukurov.com/2016/06/14/islamic-law-homosexuality-and-the-pulse-massacre/

I found it to be a good read.... and I'm hope ya'll  don't mind.

Abdullah

 

[AbdullahD]

Mulgrew  and Korody case isconsidering entrapment.

http://vancouversun.com/news/crime/ian-mulgrew-terror-trial-ends-with-elephant-in-the-room

 

[a_majoor]

Seeing these Islamic terrorists as parts of cells rather than "lone wolves" makes much more sense in explaining the "hows and whys".

http://nypost.com/2016/06/18/why-the-lone-wolf-terrorist-is-a-myth/

Why the ‘lone-wolf’ terrorist is a myth
By Paul Sperry June 18, 2016 | 3:20pm

After Orlando, more Americans support Trump’s ban on Muslims

President Obama says don’t worry, the Orlando terrorist was just another “lone actor” operating in isolation, unconnected to any larger group of supporters. In fact, these so-called “lone wolves” are running in packs, and suggesting otherwise gives the public a false sense of security.

Yet Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson echoed Obama, saying Omar Mateen was “self-radicalized” without any religious, ideological or operational support from friends, family or others in the Muslim community.

“What we do know at this point is it appears this was a case of self-radicalization,” Johnson said. “He does not appear to have been part of any group.”

A more accurate picture is that Mateen, an Afghan-American, was part of a disturbingly large Muslim family of sympathizers, supporters and even co-conspirators.

For starters, his wife could face criminal charges in the attack on the gay Orlando nightclub, the deadliest act of terrorism in the US since 9/11. Noor Zahi Salman, who wed Mateen in 2011, reportedly told the FBI she knew about her husband’s planned attack and even drove him to the site of the massacre as part of a scouting operation. She also is said to have helped him case the Disney Springs shopping complex. What’s more, Salman allegedly was with Mateen when he bought ammo and a holster used in the attack.

Prosecutors have convened a grand jury to present evidence against Salman, a Palestinian immigrant, who ultimately could be indicted as an accessory to the murders of 49 people and the attempted murders of 53 others. Possible other charges include failing to report a terrorist attack and lying to federal agents.

It appears the seeds of Mateen’s hatred were planted at home.

His Afghan immigrant father, who founded a nonprofit group to support the Taliban, preached gays should be punished. In a video Seddique Mir Mateen posted on the Web, he expresses gratitude toward the Afghan Taliban, who stone homosexuals to death, calling them “our warrior brothers.”

Other statements make it clear the elder Mateen could have passed anti-gay views onto his son.

“God will punish those involved in homosexuality,” the elder Mateen said in the wake of his son’s rampage. He seemed to rationalize the targeting of gays by pointing out that his son was offended by two gay men kissing in front of his 3-year-old son during a recent family trip to Miami.

Other Mateen videos are full of anti-US rhetoric regarding America’s military role in Afghanistan. That influence may have showed up in his 29-year-old son’s statement to a 911 operator during the mass shooting.

“He said the reason he was doing this was he wanted America to stop bombing his country,” said a survivor who overheard the conversation.

‘The enemies” aren’t just terrorists overseas but terrorists at home — along with their friends and relatives — and “the battlefield” is in our own communities.’

His father’s anti-American views may have seeped into the terrorist’s psyche at an earlier age. High-school classmates recall a 14-year-old Mateen jumping up and down and cheering the attacks on 9/11. “That’s what America deserves,” he reportedly exclaimed, while praising Osama bin Laden.

Mateen likely absorbed more anti-gay and anti-US messaging at the small Fort Pierce, Fla., mosque his father helped run. Authorities say the radical Islamic center has been a “breeding ground” for terrorists, including the first American suicide bomber in Syria, alongside whom Omar Mateen prayed. Mateen worshipped there for more than a dozen years, praying up to four times a week. State incorporation records show the senior Mateen served as the mosque’s vice president and sat on its board for several years.

Seddique Mateen insists he did not know his son was radicalized and was angered by his actions. “If I did know, 1 percent, that he was committing such a crime myself, I would have arrested him myself,” he claimed. Also serving on the board of his pro-Taliban nonprofit, The Durand Jirga Inc., are two daughters and an Afghan-born son-in-law, who’s also active in politics in Afghanistan.

Just weeks before the attack, property records I’ve obtained show Omar Mateen transferred his interest in a Fort Pierce condo over to one of the sisters and and the Afghan brother-in-law, a possible indication the family could have had some knowledge of his martyrdom plans. Authorities say the fatally wounded Mateen clearly was prepared to die in a gun battle.

The mysterious brother-in-law — Mustafa Abasin, aka Mustafa Aurakzai, who shows an intense hatred for Donald Trump on social media — has been questioned by federal investigators, along with other family members. I’m also told FBI agents have expanded the investigation overseas to family connections in Afghanistan. On Friday, both Mateen’s widow and father were placed on the federal no-fly list.

This family radicalization echoes other recent “homegrown terror” cases:

December 2015: San Bernardino terrorist Syed Farook’s father shared his hatred for Jews and even knew his son followed ISIS, while his mother lived with him and his accomplice wife in their bomb factory they called home, and was an active member of an extremist Pakistani front group. Investigators found targets and GoPro camera packaging in mom Rafia Farook’s car. Both parents were placed on a federal terrorist watchlist. Meanwhile, his sister took target practice with him. Most recently, the FBI arrested Farook’s brother, sister-in-law and another relative on terrorism and immigration fraud charges.

July 2015: The Chattanooga, Tenn., military base shooter, Mohammad Youssef Abdulazeez, was influenced by his devout Muslim father who appeared at one point on a federal terrorist watch list and is said to also have been radicalized by a pro-jihad Muslim Brotherhood uncle in Jordan who was under terrorism investigation. In addition, Abdulazeez attended a local mosque founded and controlled by the radical Brotherhood, according to property records I’ve obtained.

April 2013: The Boston Marathon bombers, Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, were radicalized by their devout, America-hating Chechen mother, who forced them to go to an extremist mosque and study hardcore Islamic texts.

“I told Tamerlan that we are Muslims, and we are not practicing our religion, and how can we call ourselves Muslims,” Mrs. Tsarnaev said. “And that’s how Tamerlan started reading about Islam, and he started praying, and he got more and more and more into his religion.”

The change was dramatic in both boys, who stopped partying and started hating — Jews, Christians, America. Suddenly they were growing out Islamic beards and saying they were “willing to die for Islam.”

As you can see, the bad apple doesn’t fall far from the terror tree.

Tamerlan Tsarnaev appeared to have a sympathetic wife, moreover. He stored pressure cookers and bomb parts at the home where he lived with his Muslim convert spouse, who investigators suspect helped purchase the equipment from Macy’s. On the day of the bombings Katherine Tsarnaev expressed no sympathy for the victims, texting a friend that “a lot more people are killed every day in Syria and other places . . . Innocent people,” according to court testimony.

In a WhatsApp message, Dzhokhar and Tamerlan’s mother also said America “is the real terrorist” and will burn “in the flames of an eternal and terrifying fire.”

Obama’s “rogue” homegrown Muslim terrorist is a myth. In virtually every case, the terrorist suspect’s radicalization spokes off into family, local mosques and the larger Muslim community. Family and friends knew they were radicalized. And in some cases, they even helped them pull off their evil plots. The shock and denials from relatives and clergy are for the most part for public consumption.

In fact, suspects in all but a handful of the roughly 90 ISIS terror cases prosecuted in America since 2014 were part of a group of up to 10 co-conspirators who met in person to discuss their plans or who made contact via text messaging or e-mail, Reuters found in a recent review of Justice Department case files. Only 11 percent of cases involved a terrorist acting entirely alone. “Wolf dens, not lone wolves, [are] the norm in US Islamic State plots,” the wire service concluded, further casting doubt on the official White House line.

“The relationships between accused co-conspirators range from casual acquaintances to lifelong friends, from married couples to cousins and from roommates to college buddies,” said the report, which did not examine connections in the Orlando attack. In virtually every case, the co-conspirators attended the same mosques. In fact, mosques are the connective tissue in all these attacks and plots.

“As you can see, the bad apple doesn’t fall far from the terror tree.”
The president is desperately trying to disconnect these dots, but the hard truth is there’s a much broader network of support for these so-called “lone wolf” terrorists within their Muslim families and the larger Muslim community than the public is being told.

“If there’s anyone out there who thinks we’re confused about who our enemies are,” Obama lectured Americans last week in a post-Orlando speech, “that would come as a surprise to the thousands of terrorists who we’ve taken off the battlefield.”

What he still doesn’t get is, “the enemies” aren’t just terrorists overseas but terrorists at home — along with their friends and relatives — and “the battlefield” is in our own communities. Until we grasp that shocking reality, we won’t be able to stop this cancer from spreading deeper into our own back yards.

 

[cupper]

Was listening to an interview earlier this week, and the interviewee made a humorous comment to the effect that if this guy was a closeted homosexual, what is he going to do with 72 virgins when he gets to heaven.

Watched another interview on Friday of the Rachel Maddow Show (yeah yeah, put the conservative comments away for now and bear with me)

She interviewed Sohail Ahmed, a gay muslim who was radicalized, in part due to his inability to deal with is feelings about being gay. He was at the point where he seriously considered carrying out a bombing in London. He began to question his beliefs and realized that what he had been taught was wrong.

Part 1 (Intro to interview)

Self-hatred seen in some anti-gay hate crimes
Rachel Maddow looks at the role of self-hatred as a motivating factor in homophobia, even virulent, violent homophobia, and introduces Sohail Ahmed as a case where the dynamics of that self-hatred and Islamic extremism intersect.

http://on.msnbc.com/28LXtwM

Part 2 (First part of interview)

Once on the brink of terror, former Islamic extremist looks back
Sohail Ahmed, a self-described reformed Islamic extremist, talks with Rachel Maddow about his motives and mindset as he considered committing acts of terror, and how being gay deepened his radicalization.

http://on.msnbc.com/28LW3m1

Part 3 (Final part of interview)

How an Islamic extremist found a new path
Sohail Ahmed, a self-described reformed Islamic extremist, talks with Rachel Maddow about the terror attacks he had considered and what ultimately changed his mind, including the role of the 7/7 London attack and his own homosexuality.

http://on.msnbc.com/1Y0dxYA

It's interesting that repression of sexual feelings and urges plays a huge part in the radicalization of young males. This falls on the same lines as another interview I listened to a couple years ago on NPR's Fresh Air with Terry Gross. Maajid Nawaz is another former radicalized muslim who worker as a recruiter for the Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir. He was imprisoned in Egypt fro 2002 to 2006. During that time he read Orwell's Animal Farm, and began to question what he had learned growing up. He's now the co-founder and chair of Quilliam, a think tank based in London, dedicated to countering extremism. He also ran for a seat in the British Parliament.

He makes an interesting point about how sexual repression plays a large part in the radicalization of muslim males. The following is an excerpt from that interview.

(I've previously posted a link in another thread)

How Orwell's 'Animal Farm' Led A Radical Muslim To Moderation

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/15/377442344/how-orwells-animal-farm-led-a-radical-muslim-to-moderation

GROSS: Let me ask you this. As a young man - and you were 16 when you became an Islamist - that's the age when, I mean, so many teenagers have sex on their mind a good deal of the time. When you're an Islamist, you're not supposed to be thinking about sex all the time. You're certainly not supposed to be having sex outside of marriage. If this isn't too personal, what did you do with that impulse?

NAWAZ: (Laughter) That's a good question.

GROSS: And I ask that, in part, because we read that, like, some of the 9/11 attackers were at strip clubs, you know, before the attack. I read that Amedy Coulibaly - police raided his home in 2010 and found, in addition to all the religious texts on his computer, they had - he had photos of, quote, "pedo-pornographic character," unquote.

NAWAZ: Yeah. Yeah. You know, for all their holier-than-thou attitude, Islamists are the most - of the most sexualized beings living among us. And I know I was one. And, you know, likewise, I was very sexualized. And, you know, that's really that, deep down, when you say that a woman's face arouses me and therefore she should cover it and that's what God wants - or her hair or any other part of her body. And some of them insist that women must wear gloves. What it's really saying is that they can't take the fact that these things arouse them.

And so I joined at 16. Before that, you know, I had a liberal upbringing, and I had very, you know, many (laughter) - I say many girlfriends, you know. I had my fair share of relationships. And when I joined at 16, all of that had to stop. And that's actually one of the reasons I married young. I married my ex-wife at roughly 21. And, you know, we had a kid a year later. And that's probably why I did that because I found it extremely difficult, especially as somebody who was in my early teens, late teens and then in my early 20s to resist that impulse, as you said. And those who don't have the opportunity that I did to get married they - I, you know, I genuinely believe having - remembering what it was like, you know.

So I, as an 18-year-old, wasn't having sex, knowing what it was like because, prior to 16, I was sexually active. So I knew what I was missing. And so I can say this with a level of certainty, that those who don't immediately get married in the way that I did, early, which has its own challenges - those that don't, do often end up developing very, very severe sexual perversions. It's no surprise to me that they find pornography on the hard drives of - and not just any - I'm not arguing here that pornography is perverted, because that's a different discussion - but the very perverted type of pornography that you referred to that involves children and what have you. And also because those who take scripture vacuously go back to medieval interpretations of religion, and they find that, in Muslim medieval times, we didn't have this understanding that women were too young at 16 or too young at 15 or too young at 13 to consent to sex. And so they take that and literally apply it today.

And as we see with ISIL, you know, it's an abomination in itself that they're enslaving woman. But then, beyond that, they've issued guidance to their followers that their slaves don't have an age limit. They can, you know, they can rape a 21-year-old slave, a 50-year-old slave, and they could rape, God forbid, a 12-year-old slave. And that's the issue here, that when you can go back to medieval interpretations of religion where the standards we've become accustomed to for good, moral reasons didn't apply. And then, on top of that, you're highly sexually frustrated. You will rail against the West for their sexual promiscuity, for the way in which women are treated like meat because they're wearing miniskirts and the pornographic industry and what not have you. At yet, at the same time, you're enslaving women or you're justifying the enslavement of women, or you're justifying, likewise, treating women like meat by insisting they must cover up. And you don't see the irony there. You really don't see that you are actually a product of everything you're complaining about.

 

[The Bread Guy]

A bit more grist for the mill:  a two-pager attached, from the U.S. Congressional Research Service on "When Are Violent Crimes Federal Hate Crimes?":

The shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando has generated interest in the scope of the federal hate crime statute, 18 U.S.C. 249, enacted in 2009.  Section 249 establishes two distinct federal crimes.  Section 249(a)(1) outlaws violence committed because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of the victim.  Section 249(a)(2) outlaws violence committed because of the actual or perceived religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim.  Section 249(a)(2) applies only if the crime somehow involves commerce or was committed within federal territorial or maritime jurisdiction.  Section 249(a)(1) has no such limitation. The difference is attributable to the nature of Congress’s legislative powers ...

 

[The Bread Guy]

Yup, THIS'LL get those ISIS sympathizers quaking in their boots ...

In the middle of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, a regular at a Quebec City mosque finished a prayer in the early hours of Sunday only to find a pig's head at the doorstep as he was leaving.

The package, found in front of one of the doors of the Islamic cultural centre of Quebec City around 2:30 a.m., was accompanied by a note: "Bon appétit."

A well-known restriction in the Islamic faith, the consumption of pork is prohibited in the Qur'an.

"It is a waste of time, money and energy. We have high-definition cameras. We will certainly find the person who did this," said the president of the centre, Mohamed Yangui.

"We love everyone. We have no problem with anyone and we respect people. We hope it's mutual. And we are always here to give the image of the good Muslim to all Quebecers," he said.

Yangui believes the act, while unfortunate, was isolated ...

Meanwhile, back in the U.S. ...

Donald Trump believes American Muslims are hiding something. “They know what’s going on. They know that [Omar Mateen] was bad,” he said after the Orlando massacre. “They have to cooperate with law enforcement and turn in the people who they know are bad. … But you know what? They didn’t turn them in. And you know what? We had death and destruction.”

This is a common idea in the United States. It’s also a lie. First, Muslims like me can’t see into the hearts of other worshipers. (Do you know the hidden depths of everyone in your community?) Second, Trump is wrong that we don’t speak up when we’re able.

I know this firsthand: I was the one who told the FBI about Omar Mateen ...

 

[The Bread Guy]

When I heard "transcripts" were being released, I expected a bit more than this, but here we have it, from the U.S. DOJ/FBI - highlights mine:

The Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) issued the following statement regarding the FBI's release of the transcript related to the Orlando shooting:

“The purpose of releasing the partial transcript of the shooter's interaction with 911 operators was to provide transparency, while remaining sensitive to the interests of the surviving victims, their families, and the integrity of the ongoing investigation.  We also did not want to provide the killer or terrorist organizations with a publicity platform for hateful propaganda.  Unfortunately, the unreleased portions of the transcript that named the terrorist organizations and leaders have caused an unnecessary distraction from the hard work that the FBI and our law enforcement partners have been doing to investigate this heinous crime.  As much of this information had been previously reported, we have re-issued the complete transcript to include these references in order to provide the highest level of transparency possible under the circumstances.”

Transcript of Orlando Police Department 911 Calls, June 12, 2016

2:35 a.m.: Shooter contacted a 911 operator from inside Pulse.  The call lasted approximately 50 seconds, the details of which are set out below:

(OD)  Orlando Police Dispatcher

(OM)  Omar Mateen

OD:    Emergency 911, this is being recorded.

OM:    In the name of God the Merciful, the beneficent [Arabic]

OD:    What?

OM:    Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [Arabic]. I wanna let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings.

OD:    What’s your name?

OM:    My name is I pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State.

OD:    Ok, What’s your name?

OM:    I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi may God protect him [Arabic], on behalf of the Islamic State.

OD:    Alright, where are you at?

OM:    In Orlando.

OD:    Where in Orlando?

[End of call.]

 

[jollyjacktar]

I believe it's edited somewhat.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I believe it's edited somewhat.

And some media outlets talk about multiple calls, too - here's a police summary:

2:48 a.m.: First crisis negotiation call occurred lasting approximately nine minutes.

    3:03 a.m.: Second crisis negotiation call occurred lasting approximately 16 minutes.

    3:24 a.m.: Third crisis negotiation call occurred lasting approximately three minutes.

    In these calls, the shooter, who identified himself as an Islamic soldier, told the crisis negotiator that he was the person who pledged his allegiance to [omitted], and told the negotiator to tell America to stop bombing Syria and Iraq and that is why he was “out here right now.” When the crisis negotiator asked the shooter what he had done, the shooter stated, “No, you already know what I did.” The shooter continued, stating, “There is some vehicle outside that has some bombs, just to let you know. You people are gonna get it, and I’m gonna ignite it if they try to do anything stupid.” Later in the call with the crisis negotiator, the shooter stated that he had a vest, and further described it as the kind they “used in France.” The shooter later stated, “In the next few days, you’re going to see more of this type of action going on.” The shooter hung up and multiple attempts to get in touch with him were unsuccessful.

Meanwhile, here's the checklist to prove this was a false flag attack  :Tin-Foil-Hat:

 

[jollyjacktar]

And some media outlets talk about multiple calls, too - here's a police summary:
Meanwhile, here's the checklist to prove this was a false flag attack  :Tin-Foil-Hat:

Wow, that must be some Excedrin strength dope he's smoking.  Out there like Pluto...  :facepalm:

 

[cupper]

Surprisingly there is a minor element of truth on the multiple shooter part. Mateen apparently claimed that he had snipers located outside around the building who would shoot any LEO's that approached the building. And he also claimed that he had bomb vests that he would strap on to hostages to keep the police at bay.

But much like the asshat conspiracy theorist, it was all BS.

 

[Jarnhamar]

If Muslims are upset about how they're being treated or viewed then they need to do more than get angry in front of the camera or waggle their finger when a radical Islamic nut job goes out and murders people in the name of Islam. They need to get off their ass and take an active roll in stomping out that behavior. Work with the police, rat the psychos out, get them off the street and preferably out of the country.

 

[The Bread Guy]

If Muslims are upset about how they're being treated or viewed then they need to do more than get angry in front of the camera or waggle their finger when a radical Islamic nut job goes out and murders people in the name of Islam. They need to get off their ass and take an active roll in stomping out that behavior. Work with the police, rat the psychos out, get them off the street and preferably out of the country.

For the record, it looks like they are ...

• "U.S. officials say American Muslims do report extremist threats"
• "... Ron Haddad is Dearborn’s chief of police, and he says he gets one question a lot when he travels around the country. “Someone will come up to me and put their finger in my face, and they’re already angry,” he says. “They say, ‘Will the people in your community report acts of terror to you?’“ ... Haddad has a ready answer. “Not only would they, they do,” he says. “They’ve done it.” ..."
• "Montreal Islamic leader urges closer co-operation between police, Muslim community"

More on how such reporting has helped police here - from the executive summary of a report referenced in the previous link (links to PDF):

... Muslim communities helped U.S. security officials to prevent nearly 2 out of every 5 Al-Qaeda plots threatening the United States since 9/11. Muslim communities helped law enforcement prevent 1 out of every 2 of all Al-Qaeda related plots threatening the U.S. since the December 2009 “underwear bomber” plot. This is an important parallel trend to the recent spike of arrests. It also highlights the importance of partnering with society through good relations and community oriented policing ...

 

[The Bread Guy]

On the "why aren't they ratting out their own bad guys?" issue -- a bit more on previous digging into Mateen's background ...

“They know what’s going on. They know that he was bad,” presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump told supporters after Omar Mateen killed 49 people at the Pulse nightclub on June 12, 2016.

Trump was talking about the American Muslim community, which — he argued — had covered for Mateen.

“They have to cooperate with law enforcement and turn in the people who they know are bad,” Trump doubled down. “But you know what? They didn’t turn them in. And you know what? We had death and destruction.”

But law enforcement had previously investigated Mateen. What’s more, at least one of the tips that initially led authorities to Mateen came from Mohammed Malik, a Florida entrepreneur who had attended the same mosque as Mateen ...

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

My understanding was that the shooter was given an Islamic burial.

Until the leadership stops that practice, I don't think anything will change.

 

[mariomike]

My understanding was that the shooter was given an Islamic burial.

Until the leadership stops that practice, I don't think anything will change.

From what I have read, it's not all that easy - not that it should be - finding a final resting place for these guys. Understandably, the cemeteries don't want to turn their grave sites into a place for protesters or sympathizers to gather.

Apparently, there were similar concerns with the San Bernardino and Boston Marathon killers.

Surprised they have not turned his flowers off yet at findagrave,
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=mateen&GSfn=omar+&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSob=n&GRid=166041382&df=all&