LCIS227 Info

[loachduke]

I have currently put my application into the 4900 Yonge St recruiting office for an LCIS technician (or field eng), and am wondering what kind of life I will have ahead of me. My physical condition is pretty good, and I have run the 2400m in 12:15, which is pretty good considering my last years complete lack of exercise. The other stuff is too easy! 19 pushups? My neighbor has a 6-year-old son, and he could pump out 12 when I asked him to try. Considering that, he‘ll be eligible minus the age limit by the time he‘s 9 or 10. I‘m not flaming really, it‘s just that the standards seem a little lower than I expected. I‘m sure if you just attain the minimum you‘ll never survive basic at St Jean, and go home with your tail between your legs.
The POET training in Kingston sounds very challenging, but my past education and work experience should make it a snap. Does this position get some respect, or are you labeled as a ‘techie‘ will all the ribbing that goes with the name.
Whether or not, the career is still a good one and the recruiter said they currenly are in dire need of good electronics technicians. The only real problem is the money at first. You know, I‘m 31 now and have had some nice salaries, but need a new direction. I‘m sure that if I put in my time, do my job well and don‘t lose anything, I may be able to get a promotion or extra pay as a specialist.
Any remarks are welcome.

 

[Cbt Engr]

As an FE for the last 10 and having taken the POET course after basic in 1988, I think I can comment on this. I‘d have to agree that standards have gone down in the 13 years since I did basic training. But to assume that anything is going to be a "snap" is naive and to be honest, arrogant. Although as a general rule, the standards have lowered there are quite a few "old-timers" that don‘t agree with how the military has "progressed". And butting heads with them with an arrogant attitude is going to get you nowhere fast. Completing your QL3 LCIS course gives you the qualification and the spec pay. I am a Mcpl yet my old roommate is Cpl LCIS and makes almost as much as my WO.
And the Cpl rank is a gimme at 4 years max.

 

[fusilier]

I‘m up in Kingston taking another trades course. I know a few LCIS techs on course up here. As for PT, yes they do it quite often. They‘re an awful proud group. The training is tough, POET especially. Don‘t go into it thinking it‘ll be easy, even with your civvy background it will still be challenging. But hey gotta love that spec pay. As a Cpl (4) you‘ll make more than a first year Sgt without spec pay. Good luck and I‘ll see you up here.

 

[Bloggins]

Sorry to be a total gomer, but can you say what POET and LCIS stand for?

Thanks!

 

[fusilier]

No prob Bloggins, the Army is full of these acronyms. POET stands for Performance Oriented Electronics Training. It‘s a fairly demanding course you have to pass in order to go on to any technical QL3 delaing with electronics. LCIS stands for Land Communications and Information Systems. They fix all the comms gear and computer stuff we have.

Fideliter

 

[LCISTech227]

I know there used to be a QL5 for LCIS Techs,  but as of 2002 there isn't one.  Anyone got the official word on what is going on with that?  Like is it just OJT or time in, or what?

 

[poetboy]

As I understand it, the QL3 course is the official end of "formal" training for LCIS before posting. After posting, you fill out your OJT log book and that completes the required skills to be "qualified" as the equivalent of QL4 I believe. Further advanced MOC courses are available for career progression. As for their proper description I am not sure if they are called QL5's or not. Hope that helps. If in doubt, consult your career mangler.

 

[LCISTech227]

OJT Log book?  Good one.... anyways I've been posted for over a year and a half and that's the first I've ever heard about a log book.

Cheers,

 

[bossdog]

According to the CFSCE website there is only a LCIS Apprentice (QL3) crse and a LCIS Supervisors crse. For the Supervisor crse there is a prerequisite for a journeyman (QL5) qualification however, there is no information on the journeyman's course.

 

[bossdog]

PS - About the log book. As a 211 (now 215), we had to an OJT package for our 4's which could be seen as a log book of sorts.

 

[teltech]

Currently, all trg above QL3 has been suspended as poetboy said, pending a review of the course content. (I'm trying to remember a memo I saw back in '02). The basic scoop was that the QL5/6 was teaching material that was becoming increasingly outdated, and as such was to be suspended. As well, I recall someone on the last course to be taught on the 524 and other LEGACY equip't said that they WERE QL5 qualified (His words, not mine). Now, IMO I believe that promotion is based stricly on TI reqirement met and performance, and not courses (except for PLQ to get MCpl). If anything has changed recently, I am willing to stand corrected. BTW I have never heard of a OJT log book either, not that it isn't a bad idea.OPINION I wouldn't be suprised if the 5's will be implemented to coincide with MOSART kicking off.

 

[wern32]

Ive got my OT for LCIS tech and I want to eventually end up near, or in Ottawa.  Any one know all the places that LCIS can be posted to other than battalions?
My choices now are Ottawa, Kingston or even Dwyer Hill...any thoughts?

 

[m_a_c]

You could be posted to CFS Leitrim in Ottawa.  I would think that if you wanted to go to Dwyer Hill, you would have to go through the JTF support selection process.  Your best bet is going to be Kingston.   

 

[KaptKain]

I just started my 20 year stint as an LCIS tech.
Hoping to get a posting out east myself. But as mentioned above, will prob get Regimental at Kingston.
Two years there on course will make me sick of the place by then though. 

 

[tyson12]

hello all

I am new to this site and am in the application process for LCIS227 and was wondering if anyone would mind sending a little info my way.  I have read and re-read all the info on the army website concerning the position and I have gone through many of your posts.  I must say I was pleased to find what appears to be good place to ask a question or two and get a legitimate answer.  Enough drivel, here goes.

1. What are the real day to day duties? Challanging? Boring? Rewarding?
2. POET is at Kingston, I am assuming that the apprentice training takes place at your first posting?
3. Any tips for material to review before training?
4. Any regrets? Did you resign after you initial 3 yrs?

thanks in advance for any replies. 

 

[LCISTech227]

Hey Tyson, and welcome to the site.

1. Here's the deal with LCIS,  first off most of your time will be consumed with fixing problems other ppl create(I think statistics state like 80 percent of all trouble tickets are from ppl error, instead of equipment breakdown),  I love my job, and I don't have any regrets.

2. POET is at Kingston but so is LCIS apprentice training(like another 6-8 months worth).  The rest of the training you will require will be provided at your first posting.  Be prepared when you start your LCIS training, mostly we deal with component replacement and not at the circuit level.

3. Make sure you got your math skills up to speed,  you'll be going over a lot of interesting things that you might get confused with, if your mind gets bogged down on the math.  Also make sure you start working on your fitness level now.  The more fit you are now the less likely you are to get injured later.

4. No Regrets, Love my time so far.

Kingston was kind of a bag drive, but mostly it was just long... but don't fret it gets better, believe me.  Work hard, and don't ever quit.

 

[LCISTech227]

Funny, I was the same way after my 2 years in Kingston.... sad thing is now I want to go back

Cheers,

 

[tyson12]

Thanks for the reply and the info LCISTech227.  How long have you been in so far? Was it you that had just signed his 20yr?  What was your background prior to training.  I have university and a networking degree with MCP and most of the way to MCSE. 

 

[LCISTech227]

Well, nope wasn't me who said it... but I did just sign my 20 year IE.  I guess I'm tethered to the machine for good now

Previously I had some computer tech experience as well as some High school electronics and OAC Maths etc.

It's not too terribly difficult in the math end, but I would say at least on the POET side the bulk of the classes you will be doing will relate to math in some way.

 

[OLD F of S]

    Tyson
  227 is correct keep your math skills up ypu will require a fair amount of math to complete
Poet. I am sure there have been changes since I wrote the poet course in 93 but electronics
is math based to promote the basic concepts.

    As a LCIS tech the whole of the Forces is open to you from field experiences to secret
spook work. As 277 said work hard and enjoy.

                      Regards Old F of S