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Marine: Beating of Iraqis became routine

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Marine: Beating of Iraqis become routinehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070715/ap_on_re_us/marines_iraq_shooting

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. - A Marine corporal testifying in a court-martial said Marines in his unit began routinely beating Iraqis after officers ordered them to "crank up the violence level."

Cpl. Saul H. Lopezromo testified Saturday at the murder trial of Cpl. Trent D. Thomas.

"We were told to crank up the violence level," said Lopezromo, testifying for the defense.

When a juror asked for further explanation, Lopezromo said: "We beat people, sir."

Within weeks of allegedly being scolded, seven Marines and a Navy corpsman went out late one night to find and kill a suspected insurgent in the village of Hamandiya near the Abu Ghraib prison. The Marines and corpsman were from 2nd Platoon, Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 5th Regiment.

Lopezromo said the suspected insurgent was known to his neighbors as the "prince of jihad," and had been arrested several times and later released by the Iraqi legal system.

Unable to find him, the Marines and corpsman dragged another man from his house, fatally shot him, and then planted an AK-47 assault rifle near the body to make it appear he had been killed in a shootout, according to court testimony.

Four Marines and the corpsman, initially charged with murder in the April 2006 killing, have pleaded guilty to reduced charges and been given jail sentences ranging from 10 months to eight years. Thomas, 25, from St. Louis, pleaded guilty but withdrew his plea and is the first defendant to go to court-martial.

Lopezromo, who was not part of the squad on its late-night mission, said he saw nothing wrong with what Thomas did.

"I don't see it as an execution, sir," he told the judge. "I see it as killing the enemy."

He said Marines consider all Iraqi men part of the insurgency.

Lopezromo and two other Marines were charged in August with assaulting an Iraqi two weeks before the killing that led to charges against Thomas and the others. Charges against all three were later dropped.

Thomas' attorneys have said he suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury from his combat duty in Fallouja in 2004. They have argued that Thomas believed he was following a lawful order to get tougher with suspected insurgents.

Prosecution witnesses testified that Thomas shot the 52-year-old man at point-blank range after he had already been shot by other Marines and was lying on the ground.

Lopezromo said a procedure called "dead-checking" was routine. If Marines entered a house where a man was wounded, instead of checking to see whether he needed medical aid, they shot him to make sure he was dead, he testified.

"If somebody is worth shooting once, they're worth shooting twice," he said.

The jury is composed of three officers and six enlisted personnel, all of whom have served in Iraq. The trial was set to resume Monday.


This is a sad comment on a very proud Corps.  :salute:
 
Small kill teams? Holy CR*P... if true, no wonder he wants to visit Canada...

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/118455452361660.xml&coll=7&thispage=1
 
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/07/20/Iraq.Hamdaniya/index.html?iref=topnews

Marine loses rank for role in killing Iraqi civilian

A Marine convicted for his role in the death of an Iraqi civilian was sentenced Friday to a reduction in rank and will be discharged.

Marine Cpl. Trent D. Thomas was convicted of kidnapping and conspiracy to commit offenses, including murder. Cpl. Trent D. Thomas was found guilty Wednesday of kidnapping and conspiracy to commit several offenses -- including murder, larceny, housebreaking, kidnapping, and making false official statements -- for his involvement in the April 2006 death in Hamdaniya, Iraq.

Thomas will be demoted to the rank of entry-level private and will receive a bad-conduct discharge. The 25-year-old was among seven Marines and a Navy medic who were charged in connection with the death of Hashim Ibrahim Awad, 52. The Marines accused in the case were members of Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment. They reported at the time that Awad planned to detonate a roadside bomb targeting their patrol.

But several residents of Hamdaniya, including relatives of the victim, gave a different account, prompting a criminal investigation. Prosecutors accuse the group's squad leader, Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins III, of dragging Awad from his home, shooting him in the street and then making it look like he had planned to ambush American troops.

Hutchins has pleaded not guilty to murder, conspiracy and other charges in the case. He faces a sentence of life in prison if convicted. Thomas changed his plea from guilty to not guilty in February, arguing that he had merely followed orders.

He told his attorneys that after reviewing the evidence against him, he realized "that what happened overseas happened as a result of obedience to orders, and he hasn't done anything wrong," defense attorney Victor Kelley said. Thomas said in January, shortly after entering his guilty plea, that he was "truly sorry" for his role in the killing.

He could have been sentenced to life in prison under his original plea.
 
Reports such as this do more damage then people think.

Although true, they should be downplayed, not sensationalised.


My two cents,

Wes
 
Wesley  Down Under said:
Reports such as this do more damage then people think.

Although true, they should be downplayed, not sensationalised.


My two cents,

Wes

While I agree that they shouldn't be sensationalized, I don't think that they should be downplayed either. If these kind of situations aren't reported then it gives the Marines over there free reign to do whatever they want without repercussions back home. The most damning quote is "Marines consider all Iraqi men part of the insurgency". How is it possible to win over the Iraqi people if you view every man as an insurgent?
 
During our tour, I viewed all of them as suspicious, but treated them with respect.

I remember this one bloke, 6 ft 5 inches, well spoken in English, clean, good natured, always well dresed, came into our compound in the FOB on many occasions. I had to bring him and others in under armed escort with thousands of litres of diesel they had for us.

As nice as he was, he was later picked up as an insurgent with several others we did business with, and confessed to his loyalties after a short period with the ISF.

Who knows what info he passed on to his INT boys about us.

His name was Mohammed of course, ha!

I am sure he went for a dirt nap once they were done with him, and I dont really care.

As for downplaying the aformentioned article, why not put the article on page 27 instead of page one. Thats my point. There is no doubt this story will cost US and Coalition lives, IMHO anyways.

Cheers,

Wes
 
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