Medical Rejection: How to Appeal? [Merged]

[aesop081]

I suspect the medical review is just another step to justify more bureaucrats in the long chain of pencil pushers. Why on earth could the medical officer at the recruiting office not be able to ok your file?  Streamlined my ass!

:crybaby:    :crybaby:      :crybaby:

 

[templeton peck]

Yes, you got me CDN! I also suspect those things never get fixed precisely because of people such as yourself with the attitude that complaining is tantamount to whining. I would rather be a 'whiner' than someone eating crap and asking for more, imho.

 

[George Wallace]

Complaining and whinning.  I guess many of us look at them being the same unless the person making the complaint does so officially in a document/letter/memorandum and/or also provides a solution to the problem.  In your case, you just made a 'derogatory remark', so I will side with CDN Aviator.

 

[Rinker]

Well the medical officer that gives you your medical, does not have all info or additional info. But they do give a recomendation and the I was told that the medical review board goes with the recomendation. However if the additional information you send turns out to be really serious I guess tuff. But I have been merit listed so I think that means I have cleared.

 

[PMedMoe]

I suspect the medical review is just another step to justify more bureaucrats in the long chain of pencil pushers. Why on earth could the medical officer at the recruiting office not be able to ok your file?  Streamlined my ***!

Because the medical officer at the recruiting centre is probably a civilian who hasn't got a schmick what the military requirements are.  This way, all medicals are given the same treatment.

I remember during Op Parasol, providing care for the refugees from Kosovo, when one of the civilian doctors was quite excited that she had done a single medical in half an hour.  The military doc said, "Big deal, I just did five."  ;D

 

[George Wallace]

Add to the equation that the Medical Review Board will include Specialists who can more accurately determine if a person can or can not meet the medical requirements to be enrolled into the CF.  Something that the doctor at the CFRC may not be able to do.

 

[Doom]

I;m currently waiting on these guys, have a good feeling and a bad feeling :/  :boring:

 

[medicineman]

I suspect the medical review is just another step to justify more bureaucrats in the long chain of pencil pushers. Why on earth could the medical officer at the recruiting office not be able to ok your file?  Streamlined my ***!

Tough tiddly winks - all of your medicals after you get in are also reviewed for second signature, sometimes more if a restrictive category is assigned.  It's done as quality control - sometimes things get missed or under/over assessed and need to be adressed.  Keeps people from slipping through the cracks that have potentially nasty problems that could rear their ugly heads that wouldn't in a run of the mill civilian job.  I don't mind - I have been told my medicals are too thorough, but hey, I've seen the results of things not being looked into far enough.

MM

 

[Doom]

Tough tiddly winks - all of your medicals after you get in are also reviewed for second signature, sometimes more if a restrictive category is assigned.  It's done as quality control - sometimes things get missed or under/over assessed and need to be adressed.  Keeps people from slipping through the cracks that have potentially nasty problems that could rear their ugly heads that wouldn't in a run of the mill civilian job.  I don't mind - I have been told my medicals are too thorough, but hey, I've seen the results of things not being looked into far enough.

MM

With all respect, I hope you do look into them. I've gone through the system and had a letter. RMO asked me to solve some issues, so I did. And I'm heading out to BMQ aug, 10th... A week after a handed my files in to medical unit at 4900 younge street. Appreciate the work you guys do.

 

[dhddiver]

Hello I am new to this forum but I wanted to ask on the success rate of appealing the RMO decision of a G3.  I have been in the process of applying for the Navy as a Weapons Tech since August and with support letters from my doctors saying that I am fit for service.  I have talked to the recruiting office and the PO that did my medical recommended that I was a G2, and said not to give up and appeal the decision.

thanks
dhddiver

 

[mellian]

Hey all,

I have used the regular malfunctioning search feature, used google to search the forums, and the only thing I found is bunch of threads of people asking for appeal information for whatever reason with no answers apart from "use the search" "sucks to be you, standards are there for a reason", "your not special", and such.

While I do not need it at present, has I still have room to work with in regards to the usual medical process, I thought it would be good to know and to research further on the medical standards and find any info on the appeal process.

Found the medical standards (http://www.forces.gc.ca/health-sante/pd/default-eng.asp) which provides info on how they handle medical files in general, but no information I can find so far on the appeal process. It is a good read, and something all who are asking about medical appeals to read it.

If it is posted anywhere, maybe sticky it and possibly can cut down on the threads asking about it?

 

[the 48th regulator]

http://www.ombudsman.forces.gc.ca/

dileas

tess

 

[mellian]

Thank you tess!

http://www.ombudsman.forces.gc.ca/au-ns/man/index-eng.asp

Any of the following people may bring a complaint to the Ombudsman when the matter is directly related to the Department of National Defence or the Canadian Forces.

    * A current or former member of the Canadian Forces
    * A current or former member of the Cadets
    * A current or former employee of the Department of National Defence
    * A current or former non public fund employee
    * A person applying to become a member
    * A member of the immediate family of any of the above-mentioned
    * An individual on an exchange or secondment with the Canadian Forces

Combined with the link of the medical standards in the OP and the search function (both the forums and google's 'whatever site:forums.milnet.ca', all one needs to get information on appeals process and whether one can appeal at all.

I recommend this information to be stickied please.

 

[the 48th regulator]

Done, 

Also found an investigation already done on recruiting,

http://www.ombudsman.forces.gc.ca/mr-sm/nr-cp/2006/1907-eng.asp

So the Ombudsman will tackle any military related complaint.

Good luck.

dileas

tess

 

[ARL]

Hey all,
I'm an undergraduate student in my 2nd year and it has always been my goal to join the military. To make the transition into it and make sure it was right for me I opted to join the primary reserves to act as a stepping stone not only into the military but possibly into other branches of the Canadian government (CSIS I'm looking at you!). I've always wanted to be in the military and the reserves seemed to be be perfect opportunity for me. After a year and a half of working out my application I get shot down at the last phase due to two medical conditions I may or may not have but the Sgt. decided to make sound life threatening based on the letter I received in the mail today. For the curious it was an allergy to hazelnut and asthma, two things I haven't experienced in a long, long time and I am in the process of appealing that (only found out today) but that is another story. To put this into context I've never needed an epipen since I was suspected of having an allergy to hazelnut 3 years ago and I've been A.O.K since then and I play rugby for my university and have never had an asthmatic issue, knock on wood! (in November and in the Maritimes no less). Maybe there is such a thing as being too honest...

What this made me realize is that if worse comes to worse and I don't get into the military for whatever reason I need something else. If the opportunity to join the reserves is taken away I need something to fill that void. Teach me to have all my eggs in one basket. So I was wondering if anyone knew about some sort of viable alternative to the reserves? I think the RCMP is more of a commitment than the reserves, which is a commitment I doubt I could do justice. Volunteer firefighting just doesn't seem to provide the same kind of work atmosphere and lifestyle that I'm looking for. Although I run the risk of sounding pessimistic I sincerely doubt there a comparable alternative, but you never know.

P.S This isn't a whine or a rant. I just want to know if there is a silver lining...

Regards,
ARL

 

[GAP]

Whatever you decide on, take a moment before you apply, and ask yourself that if you were an employer and your applicant's  allergies reoccurred, how would you have to deal with it.

 

[Stoker]

I know lots of people in the naval reserves with me who have severe food allergies, including nuts and they are serving. I didn't know that was the basis for a rejected application.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Let's stay away from the allergies\ asthma thing. There are tons of threads on this already that explain why they garner a rejection.

If this thread is to continue, concentrate on the actual request in the second paragraph and disregard the "Why I wasn't accepted" preamble.

Milnet.ca Staff

 

[CFR FCS]

Look into the RCMP Auxiliary Constable Program at http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ccaps-spcca/auxil-eng.htm#require . They might fit your needs.

You can and should challenge your Med unfit status but remember that the forces ofter works in places without a comprehensive medical support system in place. That means our standards are often higher for your protection.

Best of luck.

CFR FCS

 

[Brasidas]

I think the RCMP is more of a commitment than the reserves, which is a commitment I doubt I could do justice.

The RCMP does have auxiliaries. A friend of mine from my unit is an RCMP constable, and was describing their functions a couple weeks ago. The job's what you make of it.

From our conversation, they have limited functions, but can play a role in assisting officers in responding to a call. They can help control the scene, assist in providing medical aid, and generally be an extra set of hands.

My friend was relatively disappointed with how they responded in the scenario he dealt with, but they had a potential to make a difference.