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More M777's on the way

Great news. Now all we need is a few Chinooks to leapfrog them around the battlefield for us.
 
Canada to send more high-tech guns to Afghanistan in new year
at 22:05 on December 21, 2006, EST.
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OTTAWA (CP) - Canada is buying more high-tech artillery pieces to use in southern Afghanistan in the new year, The Canadian Press has learned.

The Defence Department has agreed to buy six more 155-mm howitzers from British-based BAE Systems Inc. Most of the new guns will shipped overseas and are expected to join a battery from the 2nd battalion, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery from Petawawa, Ont., now deployed in the Kandahar region.

"After a few months in operation, the task force in Afghanistan identified an additional requirement for M-777s to allow a better flexibility and to support adequately the current operations," said Elizabeth Hodges, a Defence Department spokeswoman.

Defence industry sources said the agreement also gives Canada the option of purchasing another 12 guns in the future.

The Canadian army currently has four of the highly accurate, digitally sighted M-777 howitzers deployed in Afghanistan.

A year ago, the Canadian army turned to the U.S. Marine Corps to buy six of the lightweight, powerful artillery pieces after its existing stock of 105mm howitzers was found to lack the range and accuracy needed for fighting in Afghanistan.

At the time, the biggest fear of military planners was that the old weapons were so outdated they might cause unacceptable civilian casualties.

The new pieces have the ability to hit targets up to 20 kilometres away using conventional shells.

The purchase price for the latest batch of guns was not disclosed, but the initial order of six howitzers and ammunition cost roughly $42 million.

The army has also purchased advanced munitions to use with the M-777s. The GPS-guided Excalibur shells are able to hit within a 10-metre circle around a target at up to 40 kilometres.

This fall, the Defence Department purchased a handful of the experimental shells at $150,000 each. In the next round of production, the cost is expected to fall to $30,000 a shell.

Army planners defend the expense, saying one super-accurate, GPS-guided shell can do the job of five or six conventional rounds.

For operational security reasons, Hodges would not disclose how many of the new weapons will be deployed to support troops battling Taliban insurgents, but indicated some will be based in Canada.

"Adding to the inventory of M-777s will allow the army to support operations, as well as necessary training for troops here in Canada," she said.

Army spokesman Maj. Daryl W. Morrell refused to say how many extra troops would be deployed with the gun, citing security concerns. He did say the reinforcements were expected to arrive in the spring.

The army is in the process of taking delivery of the guns, which rolled off the BAE production line in November.


Last fall, the Conservative government approved a series of reinforcements, including 15 Leopard tanks and an extra company of infantry, after a summer of battles and stiff resistance from militant fighters.

Hodges said the army is impressed with the performance of the new guns, which have seen continuous combat throughout the spring, summer and fall.

The artillery has been called upon to fire on Taliban strongholds and conduct what are called show of force exercises, where they fire into empty fields in order to demonstrate their capabilities and intimidate insurgents who might be tempted to attack certain bases or strategic areas.
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Air portable 155mm. Good stuff. Has it been air dropped yet? Should be able to fit on an HSP and dumped out of a C130-J

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ufh/
 
daftandbarmy said:
Air portable 155mm. Good stuff. Has it been air dropped yet? Should be able to fit on an HSP and dumped out of a C130-J

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ufh/

But why do that? When you can sling the thing with a helicopter...why risk banging it up by dropping it?
 
Because the airborne assault needs rounds on target by at least P-Hr + 30. But of course, a good battery can get 'em there in 15 or 20.
 
muskrat89 said:
Battalion?
Bruce Monkhouse said:
Ouch, talk about a gut shot................ ;)

Sounds ok to me...  :nana:

BTW what is the "proper" title for a grouping of artillery batteries into a formed unit commanded by a LCol?
 
daftandbarmy said:
Because the airborne assault needs rounds on target by at least P-Hr + 30. But of course, a good battery can get 'em there in 15 or 20.

We don't have any of "those".
 
St. Micheal's Medical Team said:
BTW what is the "proper" title for a grouping of artillery batteries into a formed unit commanded by a LCol?

???        Is you wife posting for you now?

Are you serious?  Batteries break down into Troops.  Batteries add up to make a Regiment. 
 
OK

2 RCHA should really be (full title) The 2nd Regiment of Royal Canadian Horse Artillery.






In normal conversation "The Regiment" is silent.    ;D
 
IN HOC SIGNO said:
But why do that? When you can sling the thing with a helicopter...why risk banging it up by dropping it?
Because you need the Guns in a place that is out of helicopter range.
 
While you won't give an argument from me that the military could still use that qualification in the Artillery, to jump 777s instead of mortars or light guns would be a little crazy I think.
If that's what you were talking about, just jumping arty assets instead of 777s then I'm onboard, if you were talking jumping 777s then please refer to my first sentence. ;)
 
Mortars, guns, CAS: send it all and make the infantry smile.

An optimum package would be a battle group plus a heavy drop of at least a battery of guns, a mortar platoon and first line ammo. Mortars would be available within 10 to 15 mins of P-Hr. Guns by P+30. Mortars give you rapid and accurate response within a 7 to 8km radius, enough to secure the DZ footprint including providing protection for the gun line. They would also allow you to reach into the wadi areas and other dead ground with accuracy. With a 40k range at that level of accuracy, the M777 could give enough cover for just about any kind of patrol/ combat ops in open terrain, like Afghanistan, at a battle group level. Layer on CAS as and when available, weather permitting, and you'd have a potent little force that wouldn't rely on long, and potentially lethal, road moves to get in and out. Resupply and extract by air from suitable dirt strip facilities, just like the Herc was designed for. Run a few 'coup de main' type operations like this along the border to shut down routes in/out of Pakistan, where suitable DZ/airdrop/ air landing sites are available, and I'm sure the Taliban would be pretty confused and on the defensive.

But I guess that would mean reinventing the Airborne Regiment and the SSF etc, so I guess it wouldn't be politically feasible - sigh....
 
Air drop trials were done last year, by the US, good to go.
Advanced Warfare and a rep from the Arty School took part in rigging trials this past July, again in the US, but mostly for Air mobile Ops (slinging under various types of air craft, not throwing them out the back)
So it is possible to air drop it, the problem would be moving it around once you got it there, firing it where it lands ain't always such a good idea, although at least initially that could work.
 
Excellent news, thanks. It's settled then.... we push for an airborne battle group concept for implementation during the next tour! Gotta be cheaper and more flexible than loads of tanks and APCs etc.
 
daftandbarmy said:
Excellent news, thanks. It's settled then.... we push for an airborne battle group concept for implementation during the next tour! Gotta be cheaper and more flexible than loads of tanks and APCs etc.
Cheaper?  How so?  Given that this battle group of yours would be airborne, you'd have to have enough tac airlift to bring that battle group across the country/theatre.  AvGas is expensive.  Planes are even more expensive to maintain.

More Flexible? How?  Granted, there is a certain strategic or operational level flexibility that is greater, but at the tactical level, mechanised forces are much more flexible.


Find your lane, and stick to it.
 
Note to all:  purchase of guns doesn't necessarily equal the deployment of guns as the story would suggest....
 
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