MSVS SMP (Mack) reception

[Dana381]

I didn't notice the Russian origin before, I had to look it up. I assumed as they are a Renault truck they were made in France.

Mack has a plant in Hagerstown, Md. where they manufacture axles, transmissions and rear axles under one roof. The engine is a Renault DXi 11 Which appeares identical to the Volvo D11/Mack MP7. the transmission is Allison and the transfer case is ZF. I'm not sure what axles they went with. As they were assembeled in Canada. It would seem odd to ship engines from Europe when they make the same engine in MD. But business does odd stuff all the time.

It's possible Russia uses Kerax trucks but they likely support homegrown designs first like the U.S. does. The U.S. did buy the Unimog but they have Freightliner badges on them and they are more a tractor than a truck.

I don't think any truck in the world will handle the mud in Ukraine right now. As for the ditched ones nothing will run without fuel. Kamaz trucks i believe are very capable in skilled hands by the youtube videos of them i have seen.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

How do the 8x8 Kerax based trucks we received compare to the Man 8x8 we had in the 80's in Germany?

 

[Dana381]

How do the 8x8 Kerax based trucks we received compare to the Man 8x8 we had in the 80's in Germany?

These ones need new NOx sensors every couple days

 

[Kirkhill]

I didn't notice the Russian origin before, I had to look it up. I assumed as they are a Renault truck they were made in France.

Mack has a plant in Hagerstown, Md. where they manufacture axles, transmissions and rear axles under one roof. The engine is a Renault DXi 11 Which appeares identical to the Volvo D11/Mack MP7. the transmission is Allison and the transfer case is ZF. I'm not sure what axles they went with. As they were assembeled in Canada. It would seem odd to ship engines from Europe when they make the same engine in MD. But business does odd stuff all the time.

It's possible Russia uses Kerax trucks but they likely support homegrown designs first like the U.S. does. The U.S. did buy the Unimog but they have Freightliner badges on them and they are more a tractor than a truck.

I don't think any truck in the world will handle the mud in Ukraine right now. As for the ditched ones nothing will run without fuel. Kamaz trucks i believe are very capable in skilled hands by the youtube videos of them i have seen.

Meanwhile - that sanction didn't last long.

Renault resumes car production in Moscow as rivals cut ties with Russia

Carmaker’s move backed by French government as Nestlé also comes under pressure to withdraw business

www.theguardian.com

 

[Spencer100]

Meanwhile - that sanction didn't last long.

Renault resumes car production in Moscow as rivals cut ties with Russia

Carmaker’s move backed by French government as Nestlé also comes under pressure to withdraw business

www.theguardian.com

Yes. But just a note here Renault cars is not Renault Trucks. Renault Trucks is a Volvo AB brand which is not Volvo cars. Volvo AB is Renault trucks, Mack, Volvo trucks, Provost, Nova Bus and Arquus Defence.

Volvo cars is owned by Geely of China.

Renault SA Group is cars. Their brands are Renault, Alpine, Dacia, Renault Samsung, AutoVAZ, and are part of the RenaultNissan Alliance.

For some crazy stuff watch the Netfix special on Carlos Ghosn. He was smuggled out of Japan in suitcase.

 

[Kirkhill]

Thanks for that.....

But now its "Great Coats, Off!" in any event.

Renault halts production in Russia after Zelenskyy rebuke

Russia makes up around a tenth of Renault’s global revenue.

www.politico.eu

 

[QM]

So we had Mack build a special line, which will close down, to deliver 1500 trucks over a two year period when the existing Allentown line could have delivered the entire order in a month. Nothing wrong with our procurement system at all.

Better logistical support: Petawawa takes delivery of first SMP trucks | Canadian Army Today

canadianarmytoday.com

I'm not entirely sure about that. The trucks are Renault Kerax, not Macks, and are normally built in Versaille, France, not the USA. They are Renault trucks with a Mack logo on it. The common element is that Mack Defense, Renault, and Prevost (the Canadian plant where they were built), are all owned by Volvo. Mack Defence USA managed the project on behalf of Volvo/Renault, but bid a French truck.

 

[QM]

Where do you see where "we" had them build a special line? There's no economic benefit to Canada for that, the Canadian Mack plant shut down in the 90s. Maybe Mack did it them self to meet the timelines of the contract while not impeding the production of its main products.

The trucks are Renault Kerax, not Macks, and are normally built in Versaille, France, not the USA. They are Renault trucks with a Mack logo on it. The common element is that Mack Defense, Renault, and Prevost (the Canadian plant where they were built), are all owned by Volvo. Mack Defence USA managed the project on behalf of Volvo/Renault, but bid a French truck. Building them at Prevost, in Canada, made ALL the difference during the bidding process, as Volvo/Mack/Renault received the industrial benefits points that the other bidders did not. Sigh.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

My 3 MSVS-SMP LHS are hanger queens.... have one down for almost 2 years since there is no one capable of preprogramming the sensors for the palettes/sea cans.... and the other 2 have the dash lit up like a christmas tree....