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Pro/Anti Child Bearing Policies (split from "Canada don’t matter" thread)

rmc_wannabe said:
The problem is that any population needs youth to fill in the blank file when the elderly start to retire and die off.

If we aren't generating that youth ourselves, we have to import them (immigration), and that is a cumbersome practice that may or may not yield results.

The reason our birth rate is plummeting, even in the face of childbearing policies that encourage parents to take time off, is cost of living being exorbitant.

When you have younger generations, who saw their parents raise kids in relative affluence, struggle to afford housing and groceries for themselves and their partner/pets; the thought of adding another mouth to feed is the last thing on their minds.

Add to the fact that societal and familial stigma on being childless has all but disappeared, those who wouldn't want to have kids, aren't.
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Isn't there a correlation between affluence and birth rates ?

Meaning the more affluent a group is the less they reproduce ?

Definitely stand to be corrected here.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
Generally the more educated and affluent the lower the birth rate.
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Some research is indicating that may be changing.

www.imf.org

The New Economics of Fertility

People and economies will prosper if policymakers help women combine career and family
www.imf.org

ifstudies.org

More Babies For the Rich? The Relationship Between Status and Children Is Changing

The rich countries of the world are not reproducing themselves. A total fertility rate (TFR) of 2.1 (the number of children the average woman will have in her lifetime) is considered replacement fertility. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the TFR in the United States...
ifstudies.org ifstudies.org
 
Just talking with someone that has a friend who is 50 and just had a baby and also a 4 year old. Frankly I think it's selfish to have kids that late. You won't have the energy or the longevity to raise them.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Just talking with someone that has a friend who is 50 and just had a baby and also a 4 year old. Frankly I think it's selfish to have kids that late. You won't have the energy or the longevity to raise them.
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Let's not talk about Al Pacino then...

globalnews.ca

Al Pacino, 83, welcomes baby boy with girlfriend Noor Alfallah - National | Globalnews.ca

The new baby boy is Al Pacino's fourth child, and his first with his current girlfriend 29-year-old Noor Alfallah.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Just talking with someone that has a friend who is 50 and just had a baby and also a 4 year old. Frankly I think it's selfish to have kids that late. You won't have the energy or the longevity to raise them.
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How old is the mother?
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Just talking with someone that has a friend who is 50 and just had a baby and also a 4 year old. Frankly I think it's selfish to have kids that late. You won't have the energy or the longevity to raise them.
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The positive aspect is that the kids will get their inheritance while they are still young enough to make good use of it.

:giggle:
 
FJAG said:
The positive aspect is that the kids will get their inheritance while they are still young enough to make good use of it.

:giggle:
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Sarcastic Season 9 GIF by The Office
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Just talking with someone that has a friend who is 50 and just had a baby and also a 4 year old. Frankly I think it's selfish to have kids that late. You won't have the energy or the longevity to raise them.
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I'm 63. I have a 7 year-old. I also have a 12 year-old, a 16 year-old, and an 18 year-old. I have the energy. Longetivity🤷‍♂️
 
The Bread Guy said:
More grist for the mill ...
angusreid.org

Birth rate crisis? Half of those who want children have waited longer than they’d like, due largely to cost -

Among those seeking childcare just half say they were successful, and experience was satisfactory October 10, 2024 – Canada’s fertility rate hit its lowest rate in recorded history for a second consecutive year in 2023. The spinoff impacts of this are already being felt – with Canada’s aging...
angusreid.org angusreid.org
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A bit on the why ...
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... and why not
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One MSM take on the survey ....
globalnews.ca

As Canada’s fertility rate tanks, is it time to reform parental leave? - National | Globalnews.ca

More than half of potential Canadian parents say they have delayed having children longer than they would like. Many blame the cost of living, but the issues are complex.
globalnews.ca globalnews.ca
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Just talking with someone that has a friend who is 50 and just had a baby and also a 4 year old. Frankly I think it's selfish to have kids that late. You won't have the energy or the longevity to raise them.
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It’s poor family planning to have kids older, and it isn’t just you that suffers, it’s future generations.

For example my family is young for a Canadian born family. I had a kid before 30. My parents had a kid before 25, my grandparents had a kid before 25.

The result is the child has grandparents who are helping with child care and don’t need care themselves yet. The great grandparents are able to help out somewhat (varying capacities depending on which one it is, but are still able to provide assistance) well only needing limited assistance (notably the grandparents are doing most that assistance so the parents can handle the child with less stress, etc.).

If a family waits until 35 to have kids for two generations that means the grandparents are 70 when the first child is born. Right around the time most people start needing assistance in life. So the parents get sandwiched with a newborn and aging parents to deal with. The child also isn’t likely to know their grandparents too well as the average age of mortality being late 70s early 80s.

And thats only if delayed until 35. Your example of 50 is insane, the grandparents would have had to have had a child at like 16 to be still useful for watching and assisting and thats if they are even still alive. There is a good chance their parents won’t even make it to their college/university graduation, let alone provide any future assistance for the grandchildren. The child will have to care for them before they even have a real job.
 
Maybe if we didn’t expect people to be gainfully employed until they are 25+

Longer schooling, lack of good jobs that don’t require post secondary at 17 and costs of having children are all part of the problem.
 
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