Proper protocol for Officer Cadets

[Disenchantedsailor]

It is not optional 201 states .... commisioned officers .... but it also states that all service personel recieving compliments shall acknowledge those compliments, it does not say the method they shall be acknowledged (a salute IMHO should be returned vice acknoledged it is representative of a bond of trust between proffesionals at arms) I'm just looking for advice from experienced pers, I have lots from the bottom going up but none from the middle looking down, not so much and uptight issue but a willingness to prepare

 

[Big Foot]

Alright, I stand corrected

 

[dw]

Having been an OCdt and 2Lt on course, I agree with the majority of opinions.  Officers on course are addressed by Mr.___ and not saluted.  From experience, 2Lt's who have completed leadership training may be addressed as "Sir."  I suspect that any officer who cannot accept this, and expects otherwise just after being enrolled, will be a problem later.

 

[Disenchantedsailor]

but thanks for all the feedback folks,

 

[Sub_Guy]

Perhaps you havent seen the Navy on rememberance day, after so many years of shipboard drill the navy can't seem to tell the difference between the flight deck and the pavement (I can say this I'm still a sailor until the end of the week) for those of us that do proper drill on land its rather emberrassing, also I still get looked at wierd when I salute the officers in my unit when I enter thier office apparently thats no longer part of 201 either or at least in the minds of some

Am I missing something?
19. Buildings. Salutes are not given indoors in
either public or service buildings except on
parades, ceremonial occasions, in areas so
designated by commanders, or when entering or
leaving the office of an officer who should be paid
compliments by virtue of his rank or appointment.

 

[Disenchantedsailor]

Am I missing something?
19. Buildings. Salutes are not given indoors in
either public or service buildings except on
parades, ceremonial occasions, in areas so
designated by commanders, or when entering or
leaving the office of an officer who should be paid
compliments by virtue of his rank or appointment.

exactly my point one would think that a commanding officer would rate it wouldn't you

 

[284_226]

Am I missing something?
19. Buildings. Salutes are not given indoors in
either public or service buildings except on
parades, ceremonial occasions, in areas so
designated by commanders, or when entering or
leaving the office of an officer who should be paid
compliments by virtue of his rank or appointment.

This, of course, presumes that the individual entering the office is forewarned that they'll be entering an office where a salute is expected -and- are wearing headdress.

 

[Disenchantedsailor]

agreed common sense must be the dictating factor, it would of course be common knowledge where your CO's office is and whether given the circumstances headress would be proper or not. Say you were going to the CO's office (were talking ashore here) and you knew you were in the range to be promoted you would wear your headress..... no?

 

[284_226]

agreed common sense must be the dictating factor, it would of course be common knowledge where your CO's office is and whether given the circumstances headress would be proper or not. Say you were going to the CO's office (were talking ashore here) and you knew you were in the range to be promoted you would wear your headress..... no?

I guess it would be up to the individual CO.  In my own experience, I've never had occasion to wear headdress into a CO's office, either aboard ship, ashore, or in the AF at the Wing.  I'm occasionally working on the Wing Comd's computers/Blackberry, and while I've been in his office, I've yet to see anyone else enter his office and salute.  I've yet to see anyone wearing headdress inside Wing HQ, for that matter...unless it's a photo op for a promotion, etc.

Army thing, maybe?

 

[Disenchantedsailor]

Generally at training centres and the like, but you do generally wear headress into the CO's office for things like promotions (or when escorting an accused)

 

[Adrian_888]

Funny thing, were i am, we seem to treat officer cadets as just another one of the guys (privates and easygoing corporals) and I have never seen anyone even say a thing.  If i really want to be polite to one of the officer cadets, i will normally address them as Mr "there name" and thats all fine and good.  I remember being told specifically not to salute them, have never heard of calling them sir.  Am i wrong?  ???

 

[Disenchantedsailor]

not neccessarily,

however it is important to remember that Ocdt's are Officers as defined by the act (note the absence of commisioned in the last staement) and there ia a time and a place, a while back when I was a sailor (still am for the next 48hrs) Idid and still do call my former DIVO (now arty) by his first name, he is a Captain, but only when the time and place are right, I would never dream of it in mixed company vthat said it is permissable to be less formal as the situation dictates

 

[AmmoTech90]

when you gents were Ocdts if a WO/NCO was to Salute you mistaking your rank would you return the salute and thank the individual and inform them the salute wasn't required?

Working at British unit I sometimes get saluted by people who only see the crown and don't notice the size (there is a Brit WO2 appointment that uses the same size as our WO but it is not very common so most think Major, especially Ptes).  I return the salute as a courtesy and explain that is not required, carry on and listen to the piss taking by their mates.

 

[George Wallace]

I guess it would be up to the individual CO.  In my own experience, I've never had occasion to wear headdress into a CO's office, either aboard ship, ashore, or in the AF at the Wing.  I'm occasionally working on the Wing Comd's computers/Blackberry, and while I've been in his office, I've yet to see anyone else enter his office and salute.  I've yet to see anyone wearing headdress inside Wing HQ, for that matter...unless it's a photo op for a promotion, etc.

Army thing, maybe?

Without Headdress, one pays compliments by coming properly to Attention.  It is 'polite' to do so when entering an office, in the above cases. 

Usually in cases where one is constantly entering an office, like the CO's, it is proper to salute/pay compliments the first and last time you do so that day.  The remainder of the times in between, it is not necessary.

 

[Rowshambow]

One thing that I personally hate is when you salute an officer and they say "Thank you"! You do not need to thank me, it's part of my job to salute, so say something like good day or morning, afternoon whatever just don't thank me for doing my job!

 

[x-grunt]

One thing that I personally hate is when you salute an officer and they say "Thank you"! You do not need to thank me, it's part of my job to salute, so say something like good day or morning, afternoon whatever just don't thank me for doing my job!

When I was in before, I thought it was a bit selfish of an officer to just say thank you. Even worse if they didn't even really look at me. IMO, salutes are supposed to be returned and the ncm is also saluted, a sign of mutual respect. To just say 'thank you' felt like my salute was taken but not returned. I prefered something like "good morning, Corporal." Not a big deal, but small things do count.

 

[Disenchantedsailor]

I agree with you there I think the "thank you" stems from the book calling the hand salute a compliment, and you thank those who give you compliments right, I look at a salute like this a greeting between professionals at arms recognizing a bond of trust that should never be broken

 

[cplcaldwell]

There's a couple of ways to look at it.

When one salutes one renders compliments to the Crown.

When the Commissioned member returns the compliment and says 'thank you' the member is responding on behalf of the Crown, not on behalf of his/her self.

I think the compliment is one of those ancient rites we still have. As troops, recently descended from the armed rabbles of medieval times, we salute the Crown, with opened hand to indicate 'we will do no harm to you', the Crown in turn thanks us for our loyalty.

To me the salute, has become like some obscure greeting and/or rite of other ancient orders; it is part of the furniture of the trade. To that degree in our culture it is often simply a greeting between professionals. How many of us see the young Offr or the OC and renders the compliment with a cheerful "G'morning sir", to receive likewise in return? A salute is then not a grovel( it's more like a secret hand shake ; in that regard).

And woe betide the young subbie who thinks a salute from a nasty old man like me is a gratuitous personal compliment. It is a compliment to the Crown, a gesture of loyalty and a recognition of subordinated authority and often; "G'morning buds, wazzup?".

That's why it's fun to salute Ocdt's sometimes they don't quite get all this obscurity and mystery..... >

 

[medaid]

I knew of the mysteries and obscurities of the secret handshakes  I hate saying 'thank you' tot hose who renders a salute it's quite um... I dont know. I always try and say 'good morning, _______' 'how are you?' and if it's someone I know 'what's up doc?'  ;D

 

[TN2IC]

Top of the morning to ya b'y...


Then see the reaction on their faces..