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Replacing the Subs

Smart move by Japan. I wonder if they decided to duck the GBA freight train and politics of Canadian defence procurement heading their way.
Also they are furiously busy building their own fleet.
GBA is just a way to ensure you considered all sailors in your design. 95th percentile male, 5th percentile female for size so equipment and spaces allow for all people to work there without standing on a stool or always hitting their heads. Heads and wash place considerations. Messing and bunking considerations. GBA in engineering and design makes ships better for the crew.
 
I heard the rumour mill on this as well awhile ago, I was expecting some kind of news given the RFI deadline was relatively recently but didn’t think it would be this openly addressed.
 
I heard the rumour mill on this as well awhile ago, I was expecting some kind of news given the RFI deadline was relatively recently but didn’t think it would be this openly addressed.
Question: when can we expect the first to be delivered once a contract is signed?
 
GBA is just a way to ensure you considered all sailors in your design. 95th percentile male, 5th percentile female for size so equipment and spaces allow for all people to work there without standing on a stool or always hitting their heads. Heads and wash place considerations. Messing and bunking considerations. GBA in engineering and design makes ships better for the crew.
The French Barracuda class was specifically designed for mixed gender crews.
 
Neither France nor Japan (and certainly not Korea) make it a religion that can crater a project like Canada.
 
As per the RFI, the required timeline is contract awarded by 2028, delivery of first submarine by 2035 and IOC by 2037 at absolute latest.
Se we're looking at 3-4yrs from now for contract award. Say Korea delivers that's 2034. Still 10 years from now. In procurement circles this is considered "quick" even by other international standards. Geez
 
Se we're looking at 3-4yrs from now for contract award. Say Korea delivers that's 2034. Still 10 years from now. In procurement circles this is considered "quick" even by other international standards. Geez
And more than likely within the 3-4yr timeframe a RFI will be sent out for the replacement of the Kingston's with that information coming back and another new contract proposal will be underway as well.
 
And more than likely within the 3-4yr timeframe a RFI will be sent out for the replacement of the Kingston's with that information coming back and another new contract proposal will be underway as well.
Given the pressure on Canada’s shipyards and the tonnage limits in the NSPS, maybe that KINGSTON RFI gets put further afield and HHI (who has a large number of OPV’s/corvettes in their portfolio) gets a chance to bid too, if even just the hull and the rest gets fitted out here. It would be nice if there was some commensurate economic benefit to having both the subs and a follow on order of surface vessels come out of the same yard.
 
My guess is Davie will fight hard to get the Kingston replacement contract, since both SS and Irving have their books full, it kind of make sense, plus has some political value as well.
 
My guess is Davie will fight hard to get the Kingston replacement contract, since both SS and Irving have their books full, it kind of make sense, plus has some political value as well.
And it makes perfectly good sense that they do fight hard for it - hopefully they can actually deliver a produce that is on time, on budget and on quality - whatever those definitions are here in Canada.....
 
Does Davie’s current umbrella agreement allow it to build combatants over 1000t or is it strictly set up for icebreakers?
 
Does Davie’s current umbrella agreement allow it to build combatants over 1000t or is it strictly set up for icebreakers?
They are strictly civilian platforms. They are doing refit on HMCS TORONTO right now though. Big thing in the french news that some staff were exposed to asbestos because they started grinding a gasket that has 2% asbestos in it. People tried to blame the RCN but it was pointed out that the gasket was on a list of 123 items with MSDS sheets that were listed as non-abated items.

Of note the gaskets are non-friable asbestos so unless you cut or grind them they are not a problem.
 
So, that means if a KINGSTON replacement was to be done, it would either have to be under 1000t, wait until SS or Irv can get to it, go offshore or force the NSPS to change its policy. Not a lot of satisfactory options there…
 
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