Saluting during Remembrance day ceremonies

[PanaEng]

As I participated in the ceremony today at the Perley I noticed that some, very few, pers in uniform were saluting at the appropriate time; most did not salute at all.

My understanding is that you salute individually if you are not part of a formed group and you have your headdress on, even if indoors, at the appropriate times (National anthem, etc.)

can someone refresh my understanding and that of a bunch of pers here in Ottawa. (It's been a while)

cheers,
Frank

 

[fire_guy686]

I noticed the same thing at the ceremony I went to here. Anthems, Last Post you look around and there was hands down everywhere. I was always under the impression you saluted during them.

That wasn't half as bad as some of the uniforms people were wearing. One person's gabardine looked like they had taken it out of their closet in a ball and put it on. Sad. It's not like this is a surprise parade you just find out about.  :

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I believe (without going to 201 to be sure) the correct answer is:

As a part of a formed group:

- all Officers (or Snr Rank only, if no Officers present) salutes for O Canada, Last Post/2 Minutes Silence/Rouse, God Save The Queen. (All other at the position of attention)

When not part of a formed group:

- you salute individually during O Canada, Last Post/2 Minutes Silence/Rouse, and God Save The Queen.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I noticed the same thing at the ceremony I went to here. Anthems, Last Post you look around and there was hands down everywhere. I was always under the impression you saluted during them.

That wasn't half as bad as some of the uniforms people were wearing. One person's gabardine looked like they had taken it out of their closet in a ball and put it on. Same thing with boots. Sad. It's not like this is a surprise parade you just find out about.  :

I'd like to think the WOs/MWOs/CWOs there are noting ranks and names and making some phone calls to the Base CWO or something to that affect.

I am not surprised though. 

 

[fire_guy686]

I'd like to think the WOs/MWOs/CWOs there are noting ranks and names and making some phone calls to the Base CWO or something to that affect.

I am not surprised though. 

I would hope so too.

 

[Dano651]

Why wait for the WOs, It should start at the MCpls level, they are the first level of Leadership. The NCOs should bring up the info to the CoC to be action.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I'd like to think the WOs/MWOs/CWOs there are noting ranks and names and making some phone calls to the Base CWO or something to that affect.

Re: the yellow part, which I meant more generally than specifically.  I should also have said "why aren't the Jnr and Snr NCOs doing their jobs and inspecting their troops beforehand", which is my first question.

People looking like that is a failure of 2 things IMO:

- self-discipline
- lack of NCOs doing their jobs (Jnr and Snr) and equivalent in the Officer world (for us, it was the BC or Adjt that looked after that).

 

[SupersonicMax]

Here in the Cool Pool, nobody saluted during the 2 minutes of silence... 

Maybe the CoC should have sent an email BEFORE hand with proper Remembrance Day protocol??

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Here in the Cool Pool, nobody saluted during the 2 minutes of silence... 

Maybe the CoC should have sent an email BEFORE hand with proper Remembrance Day protocol??

I don't know how it works in the Sqn's but when I was in army, we (Tp WOs) would give a brief on the parade to the Troop from the parade instructions, which we would get from the SSM, who got it from the RSM.  Everyone was on the same page that way.

I can only assume the BC or Adjt covered the briefing for our Officers, as generally speaking, everyone did the right things at the right times.

I will restate, I am not positive on the "in a formed group, all Officers salute" part for Remembrance Service/Parade, as I was either on the Vigil, NCO/IC Vigil, or in the ranks (head and eyes to the front).  We weren't encouraged to look around. 

 

[Infanteer]

I've never seen a salute during the 2 minutes either.  Every parade I've been to involves a salute during the last post, bowing of the head for the 2 minutes and a salute during the rouse.

 

[trigger324]

at the parade i was at, and i was not part of the formed group, and i saluted both times for the general salute at both the entrance and exit of the reviewing officer.  with my eyes darting left to right, i couldn't tell if anyone else did.  should i have saluted?

 

[dangerboy]

Here it is cut and paste from CFP 201

26. Memorial Services and Funerals.
Compliments to the dead shall be paid during the
sounding of the calls “Last Post” and “Rouse” when
they are used in memorial services and funerals.
Compliments will commence on the first note and
terminate on the last of each call when sounded.
Compliments shall be paid as follows:

a. All ranks who are not part of a formed
military group shall salute.
b. Formed military groups will be brought to
attention and all officers shall salute. A Royal
or General Salute will be ordered if
appropriate. The funeral guard will present
arms, the escort will remain at the order,
officers that form part of the escort will salute
with the hand. In the latter case the salute
shall be held for the silent interval between
“Last Post” and “Rouse”.

 

[Infanteer]

Ahh - so there it is.  If you are not part of a formed body, you are not required to salute during the moment of silence.  Bowing your head is acceptable.

 

[Quartermaster]

Whoops, wrote faster than I can read...

 

[PanaEng]

Here it is cut and paste from CFP 201

26. Memorial Services and Funerals.

Thanks dangerboy. I thought so.
The only thing I wasn't sure of was during the silence.

Maybe I should have been proactive and started this thread last week.
The pers that did not know when to salute included all services and all ranks - private to general! support trades to infantry.

cheers,
Frank

 

[Occam]

Disregard earlier post - not thinking straight due to cold meds...

 

[Drag]

I did not know that you had to salute during the minute of silence... Everyone around me in uniform just bowed their heads.

 

[PanaEng]

I did not know that you had to salute during the minute of silence... Everyone around me in uniform just bowed their heads.

Unfortunately, para 26 is not that clear and can be interpreted both ways.

Compliments to the dead shall be paid during the
sounding of the calls “Last Post” and “Rouse” when
they are used in memorial services and funerals.
Compliments will commence on the first note and
terminate on the last of each call when sounded.
Compliments shall be paid as follows:

Reading this part you can think that you salute during the playing of the notes of both Last Post and Rouse but not continuously from the start of one to the end of the other.

Then in sub-para b:

The funeral guard will present
arms, the escort will remain at the order,
officers that form part of the escort will salute
with the hand. In the latter case the salute
shall be held for the silent interval between
“Last Post” and “Rouse”.

Is this only the officers that are part of the escort...? seems to say that to me. If I am an spectator in uniform I would salute during Last Post, bow my head during the silence and salute during Rouse... but it somehow feels wrong to stop saluting during the silence.

cheers,
Frank

 

[Eye In The Sky]

In case anyone is wondering what part of CFP 201 this thread is around, its Chapter 1, Section 2 - Compliments. 

 

[Eye In The Sky]

at the parade i was at, and i was not part of the formed group, and i saluted both times for the general salute at both the entrance and exit of the reviewing officer.  with my eyes darting left to right, i couldn't tell if anyone else did.  should i have saluted?

No. 

Ref CFP 201 Chap 1, Sect 2, Para 28(a):

28. Anthems and Salutes (see also paragraph 30). When the Royal Anthem, Royal Salute, Vice-Regal Salute, National Anthem (see A-AD-200-000/AG-000, Honours, Flags and Heritage Structure of the Canadian Forces) or the national anthem of a foreign country is played, all shall stand and:

a. all ranks who are not part of a formed military group shall salute. The salute shall commence with the playing of the first note of music and shall be cut away at the end of the last note;

Ref CFP 201 Chapter 1, Sect 2, Para 30:

Parades. CF members who are spectators at a parade shall:

a. stand at the arrival and departure of a reviewing officer or dignitary. When troops on parade are armed, the signal to stand at the arrival shall be the parade commander’s order to SHOULDER – ARMS. At the departure, all ranks will remain standing after the last Royal/General Salute until the reviewing officer or dignitary leaves the parade area;

b. salute when uncased Colours pass directly in front of them. Guns are the Colours of formed artillery units and will be treated as such when they roll past in review on formal ceremonial parades;

c. salute during the playing of National Anthems and Royal Salutes; and

d. stand at attention during the playing of the General Salute.