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I guess I could add that you should get the Arid CADPAT gortex rain suit
"The stuff the army issues is useless" and "no non-issue kit over seas!"
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I do not think I was "rude" either, perhaps you think I am because I've had to repeat myself at least 3 times to you now to correct the misleading information that you are posting.PhilB said:
Yoiur previous posts have implied that:
You have continuously implied that you have only ever been issued 3 tshirts, 3 socks, 3 underwear etc. You have said that it was ridiculous; you have said that being issued only 3 ... has caused you to go out and buy your own -- inferring that the system is not looking after you. You have implied that because the FOB has no "electric" laundry -- that you will be forced to live in "3" sets of underclothes (apparently dirty ones) for about a month. That's false. It's misleading. It is dishonest. YOU have 8 from your previous tour ... you have recd "3" additional sets for this deployment. That makes 11 to me. 11 pairs that you can handwash -- just as thousands of soldiers before you have. It will not kill you. Except, of course, for the extra 3 desert socks which you have not yet been issued ... but I've already told you when you'd get them if you don't have them before you depart.
You bought tshirts to make up for what defeciency? You got your full entitlement of 3 more. Add that qty to the ones you were issued for your first tour. Same with your black socks. YOU chose to buy more ... you certainly weren't forced to, as by my counts you have recd one intial kitting of desert kit (TF1-06) and have now recd a deployment Top-up kitting for your second tour. That puts you at 11 AR thshirts (8 for your initial tour entitlement, plus the max 3 each more you are entitled to for this tour). Same counts and entitlements for the boxers (11) and the black socks (11). The only thing you seem to be missing is 3 each desert socks you are entitled to for your top-up -- as has been explained why & when you will get them (but needless, you already have 8 pairs of those anyways -- the same qty as someone deploying for the first time).
Now why, do you keep inferring that you only have "3" ... or "basically 3 changes of under clothes" when that is absolute crap? Do you see why your posts are getting to me now? You have at least 3 X's the number of underclothes that you claim to have. You are publicly inferring that the CF has necessitated your buying of "essentials" -- and that's 100% false.
I don't take your "dislike" of the system as an attack on me. I dislike your misleading posts. Those conduct guidelines also mention that one shall not post deliberately misleading posts and information. Give them a full read.
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I see where you are coming from, but please do not groundlessly infer that I am being dishonest as I take offense to that.
As far as the conduct guidelines are concerned, I have read them all, and I am in no way posting "deliberately" misleading information. I was issued 8 shirts and 8 socks on TF 1-06. I was issued an additional 3 more shirts and no socks (desert) for TF 1-08. I was informed by supply that I was not able to exchange non serviceable brown shirts nor ns desert socks. I was told and I quote "you may be able to in theater". Now I understand from your posts that they will have them in theater, perfect, hopefully I will be able to exchange them. But after a full tour (9 months) with the same t shirts and socks all but 1 shirt, and 2 pairs of socks are NS (For the t shirts, sleeves coming off, collars ripped for the socks large holes at heels and toes).
Finally, I do not feel I am being misleading, because as I have said in other posts, ever troop in my organization, including those without a previous "Desert Entitlement" were issued the same 3 pairs of shirts, and 3 CTS black socks. All of them, like me have gone out and bought additionally socks, and t shirts to a lesser degree. So, again to clarify, I am not inferring that the system is not looking after me, and those in my platoon, I am out and out saying it.
As far as the conduct guidelines are concerned, I have read them all, and I am in no way posting "deliberately" misleading information. I was issued 8 shirts and 8 socks on TF 1-06. I was issued an additional 3 more shirts and no socks (desert) for TF 1-08. I was informed by supply that I was not able to exchange non serviceable brown shirts nor ns desert socks. I was told and I quote "you may be able to in theater". Now I understand from your posts that they will have them in theater, perfect, hopefully I will be able to exchange them. But after a full tour (9 months) with the same t shirts and socks all but 1 shirt, and 2 pairs of socks are NS (For the t shirts, sleeves coming off, collars ripped for the socks large holes at heels and toes).
Finally, I do not feel I am being misleading, because as I have said in other posts, ever troop in my organization, including those without a previous "Desert Entitlement" were issued the same 3 pairs of shirts, and 3 CTS black socks. All of them, like me have gone out and bought additionally socks, and t shirts to a lesser degree. So, again to clarify, I am not inferring that the system is not looking after me, and those in my platoon, I am out and out saying it.
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Sounds like a problem with your mounting base. Armed with the info that Vern gave you try and get the missing items also ask to speak to the supervisor if the counter staff is unhelpful (Vern can correct if I am misleading you.)
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PhilB said:
You were told correctly. Desert kit is not exchangeable in Canada ... as you're not allowed to wear it here.
Explain to me then your posts that I've highlited again below in the bold bits ...
Basiclly "3 sets for a month ..."
They ONLY qtys you mentioned were "3", "3", and "3" over & over again -- until you happened to mention that you had been on TF1-06 as well ... at which time it was I who then had to point out the fact that you also had an additional "8" on top of those "3" (basic/ridiculous/had to buy my own to make up for defeciencies ... etc etc) you quoted until that time.
As for your first-time deployment co-workers only getting 3 as well ... we've already pointed out the shortages and where they'd get them (and you your extra 3 pairs of desert socks still owed you). I won't say where again -- I already have ... and they DO have them as my computer screen at work confirms.
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I understand. This is getting ridiculous, and is quickly losing an relevance to the topic of this thread. Like you said there are short comings in the system, yes guys should get stuff issued/exchanged overseas, and the reality of the situation is that a lot of guys, including me, are purchasing essential items like socks to ensure that they have what they need WHEN they hit the ground, as opposed to relying on the hit and miss supply system.
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If I may. I was over on 3-06. Issued 5 tan shirts and told I would get the rest once I arrived as posters have stated. Once on the ground I asked at the place that remains nameless and told no further on my trip I will get them. I ask again in KAF while getting the rest of my stuff and was told no. Now whether or not I am actually entitled to them I don't have the time to argue with them nor does my CQ as I have more pressing issues like getting on a convoy to go somewhere out the wire. I realize the system isn't and won't ever be perfect but I do wish everyone was singing from the same sheet of music.
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Lone Wolf Quagmire said:
This is similar to the issues that I, and others ran into on 1-06. Not enough stock to exchange stuff, guys not getting issued things, and again, this experience is why I am buying my own socks! Good intentions, computer systems and "entitlement", dont get socks without holes on my feet! Vern, to clarify, I am not complaining about buying socks out of pocket. I a happy with what I bought, and will use them on civvy side when I get back, if they last. I am just trying to explain my rationale.
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Theres no point arguing about things like socks and T shirts the system sucks no offence Vern but the system does sucks.Simple things like socks and T shirts should not be exchanged for new ones they are simple items and should be treated as such.I'm wearing my own under wear and using cotton socks cause I find there is no difference socks are socks minor sh**.T shirts well bringing all my shirts that are green ain't going to see them under a combat shirt.3issued tan T shirts :
first tour to Afghanistan too.
first tour to Afghanistan too.
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Have to disagree with you that socks are socks.
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MikeH said:Theres no point arguing about things like socks and T shirts the system sucks no offence Vern but the system does sucks.Simple things like socks and T shirts should not be exchanged for new ones they are simple items and should be treated as such.I'm wearing my own under wear and using cotton socks cause I find there is no difference socks are socks minor sh**.T shirts well bringing all my shirts that are green ain't going to see them under a combat shirt.3issued tan T shirts :
So they are simple things that shouldn't be exchanged?? You'd rather just buy them instead??
Unfortunately for you, TB regulations (ie FEDERAL regulations governing taxpayer supplied items) state they have to be exchanged as they are bought & paid for, fo you, by taxpayers. So ... you can't just walk in and get new ones every second day (like happened with DEU back when ResF members could echange it for themselves and we saw some members indeed exchanging "theirs" every second day) ... when you need new ones -- you bring in your old ones -- and we exchange them. It doesn't cost you a dime. Seems fair to me -- seeing as how you'd be coming to clothing anyway to pick up your new ones.
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geo said:
You DON'T go through your drawers in six months? You're not eating enough IMPs.
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Aren't V necks banned?
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Lone Wolf Quagmire said:
There's still tonnes around (and being worn), but yes ... there was a message stating that they were no longer authorized for wear.
My husband saves them for the field. Works for him.
Us chicks tend to get nailed easily though when we wear them ... seeing as how some's cleavage tends to draw attention to the "V" neck; it's not a situation that I personally experience when I wear one though.
