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The US Presidency 2019

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Half the picture.  If the US isn't exporting as much, the question to be answered is whether that production has gone away or shifted to domestic consumption.  Given the jobs numbers, I'd guess the latter.  Trump may very well not realize this (more domestic consumption of domestically-produced goods, with Americans continuing to enjoy high consumption of imports) is a good thing for him overall.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Half the picture.  If the US isn't exporting as much, the question to be answered is whether that production has gone away or shifted to domestic consumption.  Given the jobs numbers, I'd guess the latter.  Trump may very well not realize this (more domestic consumption of domestically-produced goods, with Americans continuing to enjoy high consumption of imports) is a good thing for him overall.

The job numbers failed to materialize this last month. Instead of the predicted 150,000 only 20,000 were added. More importantly while I don't begrudge the fact that job growth has been occurring during the Trump presidency, it had already been well established during the Obama years. Job growth has been ongoing for over 101 continuous months and was established during the midst of the Obama administration after the great crash during the Bush years.

I think credit should be given where it is due. Trump tends to ignore what his predecessor has done and grabs credit for everything. I think that the jury is still very much out on what the actual long term effects of the Trump administration will be.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/08/economy/jobs-report-february/index.html

Here's one view on the tariffs:

Ohio State University professor Ned Hill published a comprehensive report this week on how tariffs have played out in the Buckeye State. The takeaway: Most of the new investments that steel producers have made since the tariffs went into effect probably would have happened anyway, because of the strong economy. For many more companies, tariffs have just meant increased costs, which they've mostly been able to pass on to customers. Tariffs have raised prices for consumers across the country.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/07/economy/trump-tariffs-ohio/index.html

And here's one outfall of loosening the oversight on education facilities:

When the Education Department approved a proposal by Dream Center, a Christian nonprofit with no experience in higher education, to buy a troubled chain of for-profit colleges, skeptics warned that the charity was unlikely to pull off the turnaround it promised.

What they didn’t foresee was just how quickly and catastrophically it would fail.

Barely a year after the takeover, dozens of Dream Center campuses are nearly out of money and may close as soon as Friday. More than a dozen others have been sold in the hope they can survive.

The affected schools — Argosy University, South University and the Art Institutes — have about 26,000 students in programs spanning associate degrees in dental hygiene and doctoral programs in law and psychology. Fourteen campuses, mostly Art Institute locations, have a new owner after a hastily arranged transfer involving private equity executives. More than 40 others are under the control of a court-appointed receiver who has accused school officials of trying to keep the doors open by taking millions of dollars earmarked for students.

The problems, arising amid the Trump administration’s broad efforts to deregulate the for-profit college industry, began almost immediately after Dream Center acquired the schools in 2017. The charity, started 25 years ago and affiliated with a Pentecostal megachurch in Los Angeles, has a nationwide network of outreach programs for problems like homelessness and domestic violence and said it planned to use the schools to fund its expansion.

Now its students — many with credits that cannot be easily transferred — are stuck in a meltdown. On Wednesday, members of the faculty at Argosy’s Chicago and Northern Virginia campuses told students that they had been fired and instructed to remove their belongings. In Phoenix, an unpaid landlord locked students out of their classrooms. In California, a dean advised students two months away from graduation not to invite family to attend from out of town.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/business/argosy-college-art-insititutes-south-university.html

We can probably argue until the cows come home about what effect this presidency is having on the overall health of the US but we really won't know until we're further downstream and the data can be properly analyzed - - and then half of us won't believe the data anyway regardless of what it is.

:worms:
 
We have privately owned, for profit colleges in Ontario. I won’t comment on their standards, but they are for the most part solvent and many are thriving. If one was to add in a religious affiliation to them, some might do better as long as they don’t piss off the OHRC.
 
For more learned individuals than I to determine if it is an economic warning sign.
But, for what it is worth to the discussion, this got my attention,

CBS News
February 13, 2019

Record 7 million Americans are 90 days behind on car loan payments, N.Y. Fed report says

According to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, there are now 1 million more people behind on payments by three months than there were in 2010 when delinquency rates were at their worst.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/car-loan-delinquencies-record-7-million-americans-behind-on-car-loan-payments-red-report-says/







 
mariomike said:
For more learned individuals than I to determine if it is an economic warning sign.
But, for what it is worth to the discussion, this got my attention,
I wonder how many of those people are living beyond their means. Like the pte I'm trying to help who has a wife with no job (she can't stand working and taking orders) a 1 year old child and just bought a $60,000 truck.

 
That could explain a lot. Young people borrowing for cars they can't afford.
 
None of which has anything to do with Trump. You can't blame him for people's lack of financial acumen.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
You can't blame him for people's lack of financial acumen.

I didn't blame him,

mariomike said:
For more learned individuals than I to determine if it is an economic warning sign.
But, for what it is worth to the discussion, this got my attention,

In case it is an economic warning sign,

Forbes
Feb 13, 2019

Economists at the Fed expressed alarm with the new numbers. "In fact, 2018 marked the highest level in the nineteen-year history of the loan origination data, with $584 billion in new auto loans and leases appearing on credit reports, up in nominal terms from 2017’s $569 billion," economists wrote in a blog post accompanying the study.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2019/02/13/americas-debt-debacle-why-are-so-many-consumers-behind-on-their-auto-loans/#51e8a61937f8
 
Just an CBC article to "prove" the US economy is not great.

mariomike said:
For more learned individuals than I to determine if it is an economic warning sign.
But, for what it is worth to the discussion, this got my attention,

Statistically, that represents 2.14 % of the population of the USA or 2.82% of the adults in the USA. Not counting 9-23 million illegals.

Canada could has the same percentage.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/debt-car-loans-long-term-1.4863737

Long-term loans: The fuel that's powering Canadian car sales
- 23 Oct 18
      Canadians are 5 times more likely than Americans are to take out a long-term car loan

More than half of all new car loans are currently financed for  84 months — seven years — or longer. Industry standard used to be to amortize car loans over 60 months

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/debt-income-1.4448098

Canadians owe $1.71 for every dollar of disposable income they have — a new record high - Dec 17

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/oecd-debt-1.4415860

Canadian households lead the world in terms of debt: OECD - Nov 17


So, what's your point.
 
Rifleman62 said:
So, what's your point.

So, what's your point?

I just know what I read in the papers,
Financial Post

DETROIT — Borrowers are behind in their auto loan payments in numbers not seen since delinquencies peaked at the end of 2010, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

More than 7 million Americans were 90 or more days behind on their car loans at the end of last year, 1 million more than eight years ago, according to a report from the bank. That’s a potential sign of trouble for the auto industry and perhaps the broader economy.
https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/ny-fed-auto-loan-delinquencies-at-highest-point-since-2010





 
My point is that it is a news item that has nothing to do with The US Presidency 2019.
 
Rifleman62 said:
My point is that it is a news item that has nothing to do with The US Presidency 2019.

Exactly, but it's still all Trump's fault. Everything is, right?

I'm waiting for people to start blaming him for the measles outbreaks.
 
Rifleman62 said:
My point is that it is a news item that has nothing to do with The US Presidency 2019.

Mea culpa. I thought the US economy was relevant.

Fishbone Jones said:
Exactly, but it's still all Trump's fault.

Your words. Not mine.

 
Fishbone Jones said:
Exactly, but it's still all Trump's fault. Everything is, right?

I'm waiting for people to start blaming him for the measles outbreaks.

Isn't he anti vaccine? If he is then yes. Lol.
 
mariomike said:
Your words. Not mine.

I figured everyone would see my statement as rhetorical. Guess not.

Nevertrumpers are illogical haterz. If it's Trump, it's bad.

That was the point, but not to worry, I understand yours.
 
Fishbone Jones said:
That was the point, but not to worry, I understand yours.

I don't worry about the internet. I understand yours too.
 
Remius said:
Isn't he anti vaccine? If he is then yes. Lol.

Fishbone Jones said:
No, I don't believe he's a plague promoter. 8)


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552

"Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507493104015114241

"@OnlineOnTheAir: My friend's son, immediate #autism after #vaccines 10 yrs ago. So sad. Keep up good work Nay-sayers will understand soon."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/238717783007977473

"Massive combined inoculations to small children is the cause for big increase in autism...."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/508183486747136000

"@P01YN0NYM0U55:  @jamandatrtl #vaccines #Shills insist #Autism starts in utero or genetic, but parents insist sudden onset after #vaccine"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/260415099452416000

"Autism rates through the roof--why doesn't the Obama administration do something about doctor-inflicted autism. We lose nothing to try."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449544008986275840

"With autism being way up, what do we have to lose by having doctors give small dose vaccines vs. big pump doses into those tiny bodies?"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/508186362244505600

"@P01YN0NYM0U55: ! @vikdam @jamandatrtl imagine how mad you'd be to watch your healthy child crash hard after vaccine then doctors mock you"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507158574670573568

"I am being proven right about massive vaccinations—the doctors lied. Save our children & their future"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507162245680627712

"@LindseyScheibe @realDonaldTrump Erik's story breaks my heart. Vaccines destroyed his family.  http://tinyurl.com/qcq3tkm " Very sad!"


 
boot12 said:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449525268529815552

"Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't feel good and changes - AUTISM. Many such cases!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507493104015114241

"@OnlineOnTheAir: My friend's son, immediate #autism after #vaccines 10 yrs ago. So sad. Keep up good work Nay-sayers will understand soon."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/238717783007977473

"Massive combined inoculations to small children is the cause for big increase in autism...."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/508183486747136000

"@P01YN0NYM0U55:  @jamandatrtl #vaccines #Shills insist #Autism starts in utero or genetic, but parents insist sudden onset after #vaccine"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/260415099452416000

"Autism rates through the roof--why doesn't the Obama administration do something about doctor-inflicted autism. We lose nothing to try."

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/449544008986275840

"With autism being way up, what do we have to lose by having doctors give small dose vaccines vs. big pump doses into those tiny bodies?"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/508186362244505600

"@P01YN0NYM0U55: ! @vikdam @jamandatrtl imagine how mad you'd be to watch your healthy child crash hard after vaccine then doctors mock you"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507158574670573568

"I am being proven right about massive vaccinations—the doctors lied. Save our children & their future"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/507162245680627712

"@LindseyScheibe @realDonaldTrump Erik's story breaks my heart. Vaccines destroyed his family.  http://tinyurl.com/qcq3tkm " Very sad!"

Dear God. This appears to actually be legit, those do all seem to be his verified account. With a very brief bit of digging, it looks like he has been publicly linked to the anti-vax movement not just on twitter comments, but in meetings and fundraisers, including with Andrew Wakefield himself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-vaccines-autism-links-anti-vaxxer-us-president-false-vaccine-a8331836.html

And for a view from 'the other side' - https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-meets-with-vaccine-skeptic-rfk-jr-to-discuss-safety-probe

I had absolutely no idea that this was something he has espoused views on. I don't care who you are or what your political views are, this has got to be concerning to any rational person.
 
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