The War in Ukraine
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Sorry Dimsum, I'm not tracking what you mean here?
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His support for Ukraine has been slow as molasses. Billions of dollars of aid that was authorized has sunset under his watch.
I'd never heard that before. Interesting...
So when the media announces "America is sending an additional $10 billion of aid money to Ukraine..." some of those funds aren't actually getting there due to tardiness?
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Since 2013 you mean?
Eaglelord17
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Thats because I am not convinced America wanted Ukraine to win, rather to hurt Russia.
Drip feed enough equipment to keep Russia bleeding, yet not enough to actually win the war.
Imagine the difference if we had sent all the equipment we sent year one instead of piecemeal over the years. It isn’t like that equipment didn’t already exist and was awaiting production.
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Sort of like a mild version of “Canada will meet its NATO 2% goal by 2032…”
Ditto.
A few years ago, someone else on this forum (can't remember who) said something along the lines of "NATO will fight for Ukraihe until the last drop of Ukranian blood..." and that stuck with me...
If we look at certain key politicians in the US and their attitude towards Russia, I too am convinced that this whole thing was meant to hurt Russia rather than help Ukraine win a real history.
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Agreed
So Presidential Drawdown is from current stock (as was the sunset Lend Lease Act).
Beyond that the vast majority of Aid is actually new builds from industry.
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The Biden Administration has been playing “Mother may I” since day one. Ukraine asks for weapons systems, US says “no” for months, then when things look bleak, the US releases said weapons systems to Ukraine in limited numbers and capabilities. Spin, repeat.
Many in the US want to open the floodgates to Ukraine , but they don’t have influence in either the Biden Administration or the incoming Trump Administration. Right now, the Ukrainians are facing one administration that wants to starve them and another that wants to feed them just enough to not starve, but not enough to sustain them.
In my opinion we should arm Ukraine to the hilt and untie their hands but not send troops into the country. It is the Ukrainians’ war and it is up to them how far and how long to defend themselves and push back the invaders. We should support them this and it’s not up to us for them to decide if or when to give up.
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Effect of loss of influence....
1. Trump takes over from Biden.
2. Trump insists this is a European war.
3. Poland takes lead.
4. Eastern Europe and Scandinavia rearm based on domestic supplies and South Korea.
5. Cold War 2 front line stretches from Nord Kapp to Crimea.
UN Security Council becomes a cipher.
1. Trump takes over from Biden.
2. Trump insists this is a European war.
3. Poland takes lead.
4. Eastern Europe and Scandinavia rearm based on domestic supplies and South Korea.
5. Cold War 2 front line stretches from Nord Kapp to Crimea.
UN Security Council becomes a cipher.
OldSolduer
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The UN Security Council
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Trump is a wild card.
He was pro-Ukraine during his Presidency, to at least strengthen them to avoid a repeat of Crimea.
Several of his Advisors are Pro Ukraine, but he has a lot of folks who also represent the Kremlin narrative. So seeing who wins will be interesting.
Biden’s responses were very carefully watered down by Jake Sullivan.
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Maybe they can become the 52nd state.
GK .Dundas
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It either that or he'll threaten them with Tariffs unless they do something about their terrible border situation...
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Already is useless
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Hush - he might put/keep tariffs on Canada until we actually arrive at 2% (or 3.25% or whatever the new number is) of GDP actually spent appropriately on defense
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Meanwhile, Russian parks are becoming more dangerous for missile designers ....
www.rferl.org
www.euronews.com
kyivindependent.com
meduza.io
Noted Russian Missile Designer Reportedly Shot Dead Near Moscow
A senior official from a Russian company that develops cruise missiles used by Moscow in its war with Ukraine has reportedly been shot and killed just outside the capital.
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Russia's top missile expert gunned down in Moscow park
Mikhail Shatsky, who is said to have overseen the modernisation of Kh-59 and Kh-69 missiles used by Russia against Ukraine, was reportedly shot dead near his home. #EuropeNews
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Ukraine's intelligence kills senior Russian missile scientist near Moscow, source claims
Mikhail Shatsky, a Russian expert involved in modernizing missiles launched against Ukraine, was shot dead near Moscow, a Defense Forces source told the Kyiv Independent on Dec. 12.
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Engineer behind Russian Kh-69 cruise missile reportedly killed in Moscow region as part of Ukrainian intelligence operation — Meduza
Mikhail Shatsky, deputy general designer and head of software at the Mars Design Bureau — which develops missiles used by the Russian military — was shot dead in the Moscow region on Friday, according to Ukrainian outlets, including Suspilne, RBC Ukraine, and UNIAN.
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