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Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

dimsum said:
To paraphrase Troy McClure: Be happy, stupid!


Dude - everyone is tied to their phones. Take a look around any public area and people aged 10-100 will be on their phones. This is not just a “younger generation” thing.

And the younger generation definitely interact outside of their devices. Sports leagues, pub nights, whatever. Maybe not where you are, but that’s more of a location thing.


Yeah they do, because those are things. If you have a job, are totally rich, and live in a big house (or whatever you think is “perfect”) but work so much that you don’t see anyone, or your family/marriage life is utter crap, then damn right you’ll have depression and loneliness.

Your “solution” is….wow. I’m not even sure how to respond to that.
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There was a 60's 70's group called The Association who had a tune that identified the greatest problem our kids, and a lot of their parents have as well titled Time for Living. Ray Stevens touched on the same issue with Mr. Businessman. A third tune on the same theme is Cats in the Cradle. All 3 point to our greatest failing: we are so busy being busy, doing things and trying to obtain that we no longer enjoy just being. Things were pretty much OK until 2020 when all of a sudden everyone was locked up with no place to go and nothing personally satisfying to do whilst sitting at home. Parents are afraid to let their kids play outside for fear they will be abducted. With both parents working, there is no one inside the door when they get off the bus to ask how their day went. At funeral services for friends I have yet to hear any of their kids speak about the great house they lived in or the fancy trips they took. It is more likely to be one on one fishing. Speaking of buses, most kids at least in southern Ontario seem to have to ride one to school because to boards have consolidated the p.s. and the neighbourhood school no longer exists for many. So I guess what I am saying is take the time to play with your kids, read to your grandkids and maybe build a model F18 with them or build a dollhouse for your daughter/granddaughter. Spend the time with them and you won't have to worry about the depression or loneliness.
 
Lumber said:
Empathy allows you to build social connections with others.

Case in point...
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I’m set with my social connections, I don’t need to feel sorry for the lonely who chose this government and its policies.
 
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Quirky said:
I’m set with my social connections, I don’t need to feel sorry for the lonely who chose this government and its policies.
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So do you feel sorry for the lonely who voted CPC? Because they exist as well. It’s not just “buyer’s remorse” as you seem to allude.
 
dimsum said:
So do you feel sorry
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No. I have my own problems to deal with, I can't feel sorry for every poor soul who's having an emotion. Where does it end? I scored a double bogey on 18 last round for a score of 74, give me emotional support to help with my feelings.

My empathy stops with the six figures in income and consumer taxes our household pays every year to help these people. As shitty as this country is sometimes, people need to get a little perspective on their lives. The majority of the world is literally life and death everyday, they don't care about your loneliness and depression in a country like Canada.
 
Quirky said:
No. I have my own problems to deal with, I can't feel sorry for every poor soul who's having an emotion. Where does it end? I scored a double bogey on 18 last round for a score of 74, give me emotional support to help with my feelings.

My empathy stops with the six figures in income and consumer taxes our household pays every year to help these people. As shitty as this country is sometimes, people need to get a little perspective on their lives. The majority of the world is literally life and death everyday, they don't care about your loneliness and depression in a country like Canada.
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If you’re paying six figures ($100,000 or more) in income and consumer taxes, your family is doing very well in Canada. Most people don’t make $100,000 gross.
 
dimsum said:
If you’re paying six figures ($100,000 or more) in income and consumer taxes, your family is doing very well in Canada. Most people don’t make $100,000 gross.
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I think the household income in canada is something like $60k if not lower. Too lazy to google.

We're taxed on income and taxed to death on things we buy. It adds up quick.
 
According to this article from the Fraser Institute, the average family (2 adults, 2 kids) in 2022 earned $106430 and paid $48199 in taxes of all forms. A rate slightly above 45%.
 
45% or basically half your money is a crazy amount of tax. How much higher could that go before things break?

There has to be a way to function in society with a reasonable tax rate for all. Sub 33% to me still seems high but palatable. I'm ok with 1/3... not ok with 1/2.
 
ModlrMike said:
According to this article from the Fraser Institute, the average family (2 adults, 2 kids) in 2022 earned $106430 and paid $48199 in taxes of all forms. A rate slightly above 45%.
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I like a lot of work that the Fraser Insitute does, but their tax stuff is incredibly misleading. It may be technically/ philosophically defensible from a certain economic school of thought of how taxes flow through/impact the economy- but it is not an accurate representation of a given persons tax bill direct tax bill and cannot be taken on its face. The average family does not spend 51k on HST taxable supplies. To get their payroll/health tax number you have to include the employer side, which shouldn't be included 1:1, and if it is needs to be included on the income side as well. Other taxes (profit/ resource royalty) aren't calculated based on direct attribution but by sharing the corporate burden across the population. etc.
 
If you have an hour and a bit, this is WELL worth watching/listening to ...
This is a deep dive on some recent research, discussed by two hard-core Team Red'ites (one of whom did the survey work) talking about, in essence, Trudeau being a true anvil around the neck of the drowning Liberal party to the point where (if the #'s are transferable) Team Red would get 14 more points by replacing Trudeau as leader (also interesting content on potential contenders and how the public perceives them) ...
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More details here (also archived here)
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The Riskiness of Trudeau's Leadership

The Liberals’ polling numbers are bad and have been for months. Trudeau's staying or resigning are both risks. This study digs into both propositions.
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Deets on how it was done
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I listened to this. The both of them tried very hard to explain why JT doesn’t connect with men. How about the fact he is full of shit when it comes treating women as equals. Any man who loudly proclaims that he is a feminist is only trying to manipulate women and most men see through their bullshit.
 
FSTO said:
I listened to this. The both of them tried very hard to explain why JT doesn’t connect with men. How about the fact he is full of shit when it comes treating women as equals. Any man who loudly proclaims that he is a feminist is only trying to manipulate women and most men see through their bullshit.
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And this feeling, of course, every time another 'Nanny State' announcement comes out ;)

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YZT580 said:
There was a 60's 70's group called The Association who had a tune that identified the greatest problem our kids, and a lot of their parents have as well titled Time for Living. Ray Stevens touched on the same issue with Mr. Businessman. A third tune on the same theme is Cats in the Cradle. All 3 point to our greatest failing: we are so busy being busy, doing things and trying to obtain that we no longer enjoy just being. Things were pretty much OK until 2020 when all of a sudden everyone was locked up with no place to go and nothing personally satisfying to do whilst sitting at home. Parents are afraid to let their kids play outside for fear they will be abducted. With both parents working, there is no one inside the door when they get off the bus to ask how their day went. At funeral services for friends I have yet to hear any of their kids speak about the great house they lived in or the fancy trips they took. It is more likely to be one on one fishing. Speaking of buses, most kids at least in southern Ontario seem to have to ride one to school because to boards have consolidated the p.s. and the neighbourhood school no longer exists for many. So I guess what I am saying is take the time to play with your kids, read to your grandkids and maybe build a model F18 with them or build a dollhouse for your daughter/granddaughter. Spend the time with them and you won't have to worry about the depression or loneliness.
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My wife and I were just talking about this, we sacrificed a fair bit to allow my wife to be at home with the kids. Now they are teenagers, I am home and doing the daily connection while the wife works.
 
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