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I can see Trudeau taking a position that Don Stewart will never see his office on Parkiament Hill.
Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)
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Haggis
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The margin was slim. The riding could flip back red in the general election.
The only way Trudeau could possibly do that is to drop the writ before the next house sitting in the Fall.
...or pull a Putin near an open upper story window.
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John Ibbitson, who is fairly well known as thinking that Prime Minister Harper was right and Prime Minister Trudeau is not and never was up to the job, says, in the Globe and Mail, that: "The shocking result in the Toronto-St. Paul’s by-election leaves the Liberals with only one question: should they lose the next election with Justin Trudeau as leader, or should they lose it led by someone else?
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To lose St. Paul’s means the Liberals are at risk of an even worse fate in the next election. The message is stark: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau simply must stand down and let someone else lead the party, which now confronts electoral oblivion.
Except....
A new poll this week from the Angus Reid Institute asked respondents whether they would be more or less inclined to vote for a number of potential replacements for Mr. Trudeau, including Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland, former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney and Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly. In a head-to-head comparison, respondents on balance said every candidate mentioned would make them even less likely to support the Liberals.
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There is no comfort for the Grits anywhere. They are deeply unpopular from sea to sea to sea, including in the urban cores that were once their final refuge. Taxes are too high, growth too low, interest rates too steep, mortgages and rent too burdensome.
It doesn’t matter who leads them. The Canadian electorate wants them gone.
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Ms. Freeland’s riding of University-Rosedale is right next door to Toronto-St Paul’s. If St. Paul’s is lost, then her riding is at risk. Downtown Montreal and Vancouver are at risk. Nothing is safe, anywhere.
But those who might replace Mr. Trudeau in hopes of preventing such a tidal wave must convince Liberal supporters that they could achieve a better result. Not a victory, mind you, just not a shellacking. It’s a tall order.
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By-election votes are often protest votes. In the general election, whenever it comes, Toronto-St. Paul’s may well revert back to the Liberals. The real fights, the fights that will decide the election, will be in dozens of seats in suburban Toronto and in the surrounding 905, named after the region’s area code. That fight will be mirrored in Greater Vancouver and in other urban cores.
But this result suggests the Tories are well placed to win those fights. Toronto-St. Paul’s has sent a stern message. The Liberal Party is at risk of being obliterated in the next election. And it doesn’t matter who leads them."
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To lose St. Paul’s means the Liberals are at risk of an even worse fate in the next election. The message is stark: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau simply must stand down and let someone else lead the party, which now confronts electoral oblivion.
Except....
A new poll this week from the Angus Reid Institute asked respondents whether they would be more or less inclined to vote for a number of potential replacements for Mr. Trudeau, including Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland, former Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney and Foreign Affairs Minister Mélanie Joly. In a head-to-head comparison, respondents on balance said every candidate mentioned would make them even less likely to support the Liberals.
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There is no comfort for the Grits anywhere. They are deeply unpopular from sea to sea to sea, including in the urban cores that were once their final refuge. Taxes are too high, growth too low, interest rates too steep, mortgages and rent too burdensome.
It doesn’t matter who leads them. The Canadian electorate wants them gone.
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Ms. Freeland’s riding of University-Rosedale is right next door to Toronto-St Paul’s. If St. Paul’s is lost, then her riding is at risk. Downtown Montreal and Vancouver are at risk. Nothing is safe, anywhere.
But those who might replace Mr. Trudeau in hopes of preventing such a tidal wave must convince Liberal supporters that they could achieve a better result. Not a victory, mind you, just not a shellacking. It’s a tall order.
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By-election votes are often protest votes. In the general election, whenever it comes, Toronto-St. Paul’s may well revert back to the Liberals. The real fights, the fights that will decide the election, will be in dozens of seats in suburban Toronto and in the surrounding 905, named after the region’s area code. That fight will be mirrored in Greater Vancouver and in other urban cores.
But this result suggests the Tories are well placed to win those fights. Toronto-St. Paul’s has sent a stern message. The Liberal Party is at risk of being obliterated in the next election. And it doesn’t matter who leads them."
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He’s narcissistic enough to call an election rather than resign.
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It's interesting to look at this result in the context of the last election. In 2015, the vote share was Lib 49.5, CPC 26.5, and NDP 15.9. This time round, the Conservatives gained 15.6, while the Liberals lost 9.0, and the NPD lost 5.0. That puts pressure on both the Liberals and NDP everywhere. Yes, the win was only 2%, but more telling is the shift in votes.
Oldgateboatdriver
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You mean "pull a Macron".
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The IA from Team Red ...
www.thecanadianpressnews.ca
globalnews.ca
... for now, anyway
www.theglobeandmail.com
'I hear your concerns': Trudeau reflects on devastating byelection loss
OTTAWA - After losing a Toronto-area riding the Liberals have held for more than three decades, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Tuesday he heard the "concerns and frustrations" of voters.
Despite Toronto-St. Paul’s loss, Freeland says Trudeau should stay as leader | Globalnews.ca
Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland says she still has faith in Justin Trudeau’s leadership, after a byelection loss to the Conservatives in what had been a Liberal stronghold.
globalnews.ca
Trudeau to remain party leader as Liberals demand urgent changes after stunning by-election loss
The result in Toronto-St. Paul’s surprised Conservatives, who for weeks have said they were not expecting to win the long-shot seat
www.theglobeandmail.com
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Oldgateboatdriver
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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says he hears the concerns and frustrations of voters in the wake of a crushing byelection defeat in a Liberal stronghold riding.
So did Marie Antoinette, but I think her answer was "Let them eat cake".
So did Marie Antoinette, but I think her answer was "Let them eat cake".
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Don’t worry…only 0.13% of Canadians voted for the CPC.The IA from Team Red ...
'I hear your concerns': Trudeau reflects on devastating byelection loss
OTTAWA - After losing a Toronto-area riding the Liberals have held for more than three decades, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Tuesday he heard the "concerns and frustrations" of voters.... for now, anywayDespite Toronto-St. Paul’s loss, Freeland says Trudeau should stay as leader | Globalnews.ca
Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland says she still has faith in Justin Trudeau’s leadership, after a byelection loss to the Conservatives in what had been a Liberal stronghold.
Trudeau to remain party leader as Liberals demand urgent changes after stunning by-election loss
The result in Toronto-St. Paul’s surprised Conservatives, who for weeks have said they were not expecting to win the long-shot seat
Hmmm…0.13%…where have we seen that figure before?
Oh that’s right…all the Überriche Canadians that Trudeau and Freeland want to pair a fairer share of (capital gains) taxes…oh but I hope.....
OldSolduer
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Look for the LPC to vilify those that voted against them.
All of the potential candidates for party leader will be united in supporting Trudeau. With little to no chance of winning, a replacement leader doesn't want to blow his/her chances at the golden throne by stepping up into a losing cause. There will be no viable candidate for leader just a sacrificial lamb imho.
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I think you're right. I suspect Freeland and Carney and all the other would-be contenders want Trudeau to wear this. But I wonder ... can Freeland really hope to unite and rebuild a party that is, soewhoe, "new?" And does Mark Carney (age 59) really want to spend the next eight to ten years on the opposition benches?
QV
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Now that is an interesting point. And could very well be the situation and why he hasn't resigned... maybe nobody else is willing to step up if Trudeau resigns, and a leaderless party in chaos would just wreck them even worse than now.
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Kim Campbell enters the chat.
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And having been politically bitch-slapped by the faux-feminist PM twice, Anand probably wants Trudeau to wear it…heck, BMW-Rolex guy, if he were smart, would actually support the living crap out of the LPC…usque ad finem so that everyone can watch Trudeau sink into shameful irrelevance.
