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Agree. That there are people who honestly believed that 2015 promise, means there are people who believe words they want to hear over actions most probably not to be taken in their interests.
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If only there was a way to require that parties follow on with their platforms. Like “if you ignore x number of platform promises then we immediately go to a vote of non-confidence”.
I see the current party platforms and think to myself “that’s fine, but there is no reason they need to actually follow through with any of them once they’re elected”.
The entire system is predicated on the memory of the electorate. Any type of compulsory mechanism to force adherence to platforms would be tough to square with parliamentary supremacy. Plus the system needs to be able to adapt to changing events and circumstances.
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Even Wales backtracked on its “charge politicians who break their promise” legislation.
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And neither is the current one either.
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Although at this point, they might do notably better with proportional representation l…
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Except Bill C-65 proposed by LPC and supported by NDP one time changes to the Act to move the election date from 20 Oct to 27 Oct 2025, thereby allowing 80 MPs to qualify for a full pension.
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Not a "full" pension - that is tied to years of service. This permits them to be members of the plan.
A CAF member qualifies for a pension in two years; MPs require a minimum of six years to vest.
A CAF member contributes a maximum of 12.25% of earnings for their pension; MPs contribute 23.34%.
A CAF member with 25 years of paid service can retire and draw their pension regardless of their age without penalty; MPs can draw only at age 55 and are subject to a penalty of 1% for every year below age 65.
Frequently asked questions: Members of Parliament Pension Plan - Canada.ca
Report on the Administration of the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act.
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So, for MPs that aren’t re-elected, the biggest change an extra week would do is getting a transfer value vs return of contribution?Not a "full" pension - that is tied to years of service. This permits them to be members of the plan.
A CAF member qualifies for a pension in two years; MPs require a minimum of six years to vest.
A CAF member contributes a maximum of 12.25% of earnings for their pension; MPs contribute 23.34%.
A CAF member with 25 years of paid service can retire and draw their pension regardless of their age without penalty; MPs can draw only at age 55 and are subject to a penalty of 1% for every year below age 65.
Frequently asked questions: Members of Parliament Pension Plan - Canada.ca
Report on the Administration of the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act.www.canada.ca
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I suspect that like the CAF a deferred annuity would give access to post retirement medical and dental benefits, so a TV might now be the optimal choice.
There are also pre 2016 benefits which can give rise to a partial benefit on leaving Parliament when vesting conditions are met. This one week extension would only benefit individuals first elected in the 2019 general election and who are therefore fully under the new rules. Anyone elected first in the 2015 general election and still a MP is already vested.
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Yeah, but ....
1) I think that would lead to VERY broad platform promises that would be easy to wordsmith into success "progress on x", "move forward on y", etc.
2) What about a measure that's, say, 85-90% successful - binary "no" because it's not 100%, binary "yes" because it's pretty much there, or grading on the curve?
3) Imagine what a party with people who's only job is to write words that don't mean what they say, but mean what the political bosses mean them to say, could do re: making it look like "we're getting things done, baby!"
Even Wales backtracked on its “charge politicians who break their promise” legislation.
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Perhaps he’s working for the wrong boss?
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Noooooot a good look for Team Red ....
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... with the expected political zinger from Team Blue
Justin Trudeau to miss this year’s Calgary Stampede, his office says | Globalnews.ca
The annual 10-day rodeo and festival is usually a must-do event for politicians and Trudeau hasn't missed a summer except for the COVID-19 years of 2020 and 2021.
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Housefather upset his voter base, along with factions from the NDP, are showing their true colors.
I agree with your overall point here, but one thing I have to disagree with is that we are wrapped up in division.
Some folks say we are more divided now than we've ever been before, but I honestly think that applies far more south of the border than it does to us
If anything, I think Trudeau has united Canada in a way nobody else really could have. From coast to coast to coast, Canadians are all now very well aware of who their enemy is, who is choosing to stay in power despite overwhelming calls for him to step down from the citizenry, and who has stolen huge sums of money & manipulated the justice system so he remains untouched.
I think this next election will show just how unified Canadians have become in some ways. Every single day that goes by, it seems like the hatred towards him grows ever more tangible
I imagine his security folks have advised him not to attend. Probably good advice.Noooooot a good look for Team Red ....
... with the expected political zinger from Team BlueJustin Trudeau to miss this year’s Calgary Stampede, his office says | Globalnews.ca
The annual 10-day rodeo and festival is usually a must-do event for politicians and Trudeau hasn't missed a summer except for the COVID-19 years of 2020 and 2021.
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He will manage to avoid the rotten fruit and potatoes and very small rocks flung his way.Noooooot a good look for Team Red ....
... with the expected political zinger from Team BlueJustin Trudeau to miss this year’s Calgary Stampede, his office says | Globalnews.ca
The annual 10-day rodeo and festival is usually a must-do event for politicians and Trudeau hasn't missed a summer except for the COVID-19 years of 2020 and 2021.
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