Agreed. Somebody decided to do something illegal, and there should be consequences for it for whoever made that decision. There could also be some minor damages for the tort of trespass.
US Presidential Election 2024 - Trump vs Harris - Vote Hard with a Vengence
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In interests of clarity (not bias), The Center Square is a conservative news outlet - the MSN tag is that MSN is the aggregator (like Yahoo) that it appears on.
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That has nothing to do with addressing the root problem though. There was an Agent in Charge, then there were those agents that carried out the orders without question. That is a fundamental breakdown in the private citizens civil rights by the government and agency that is supposed to protect those rights. You don't throw money at something like this to make it go away. You publicly address the problem and show the citizens that this stuff won't be tolerated. Paying someone off with their own taxes doesn't cut it.
Edit - it is contrary to the third amendment Third Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia Also, under Massachusetts law the people involved can be arrested for trespass and possibly break and enter.
Breaking and Entering by Kamala Harris' Secret Service: Why Aren’t They Held Accountable?
The recent actions of the Secret Service at a Massachusetts salon during Vice President Kamala Harris’s fundraiser have sparked outrage and demand for accountability. This event is not just an “incident”; it constitutes breaking and entering—a serious criminal offense. Amidst the heightened...
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Not disagreeing with you. Just stating what the likely outcome will be.
I generally trust what comes from Reuters. They also have both journalists who researched and wrote the article with their credentials. It’s up to you to accept what they reported and their facts or not. What they presented reinforces my view that she was not in fact the “Border Czar” that the GOP is labelling her with. The article explains it succinctly that her record on the border is in fact complicated.
She can certainly be judged on her successes and failures on the border as an issue but there is no need to invent a job or title she never had.
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Regardless of the red v blue stances on it, the US is in a spot where if they were to actually deport the undocumented people, the net effect wouldn’t be what the GOP supporters would want.
They are doing the jobs that the “regular” Americans don’t want to do, in likely crappier circumstances than they would put up with. If they’re gone, everything would be more expensive and slower - due to lack of people doing the jobs. Similarly, we could stop TFWs in Canada and have Canadians do the crop-picking, Tim Hortons coffee-slinging, etc jobs that they’re doing now. But would they?
Part of me (comfortably at a remove from this situation) almost wants the GOP to win and implement their policy just to see how bad it gets, and like 2016-2020, having a decent chunk of the GOP supporters Pikachu-face that things were not, in fact, getting better.
They are doing the jobs that the “regular” Americans don’t want to do, in likely crappier circumstances than they would put up with. If they’re gone, everything would be more expensive and slower - due to lack of people doing the jobs. Similarly, we could stop TFWs in Canada and have Canadians do the crop-picking, Tim Hortons coffee-slinging, etc jobs that they’re doing now. But would they?
Part of me (comfortably at a remove from this situation) almost wants the GOP to win and implement their policy just to see how bad it gets, and like 2016-2020, having a decent chunk of the GOP supporters Pikachu-face that things were not, in fact, getting better.
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I see imperfect bothers you more than radical left ideology.
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How would you characterize Walz's impaired driving conviction?
That wasn’t the conviction. He was convicted of Reckless Driving. Yes, it was a plea deal.
He also took full responsibility.
he also offered to resign from his teacher position but his principal convinced him to stay.
He hasn’t once denied he was impaired.
If anything Walz’s imperfections have been recognized by Walz himself. Trump? Not so much.
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So in summary Walz was an actual danger to the public while Trump's "crime" was a paper crime concocted by DNC lawfare, which legal scholars on both sides of the aisle agree is bullshit, that has not yet made it through all court avenues. Got it.
Too bad everyone didn't get the impair plea deal, hey? Or is that just reserved for democrats?
Let’s not pretend for a second that a protectee has anything to do with the operational and logistical planning of their protective detail, or any fuckery that ensues in the course of actually carrying that out. Protective operations are carried out with the least possible involvement from the protectee. This would be more suited to the ongoing police misconduct thread that the election one.That has nothing to do with addressing the root problem though. There was an Agent in Charge, then there were those agents that carried out the orders without question. That is a fundamental breakdown in the private citizens civil rights by the government and agency that is supposed to protect those rights. You don't throw money at something like this to make it go away. You publicly address the problem and show the citizens that this stuff won't be tolerated. Paying someone off with their own taxes doesn't cut it.
Edit - it is contrary to the third amendment Third Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia Also, under Massachusetts law the people involved can be arrested for trespass and possibly break and enter.
Breaking and Entering by Kamala Harris' Secret Service: Why Aren’t They Held Accountable?
The recent actions of the Secret Service at a Massachusetts salon during Vice President Kamala Harris’s fundraiser have sparked outrage and demand for accountability. This event is not just an “incident”; it constitutes breaking and entering—a serious criminal offense. Amidst the heightened...www.rfsafe.com
For the sake of accuracy, it was a misdemeanour conviction for reckless driving, pled down from impaired. It was a couple decades ago. He’s responsible for his choices, and his guilty plea recognizes that. It appears that he’s kept his nose clean since, so that appears to be the system working.
I loathe impaired driving, and I got awards from MADD two years running for the number of charges I laid, so I have no sympathy for that category of offence. I also recognize that individuals are able to take accountability for their behaviour and correct it. Given his clean conduct and extensive public service since then, it’s not something that would still trouble me.
How would you characterize it, out of curiosity? Is felonious or other criminal conduct concerning for you in a political candidate?
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Ah yes, clearly when a 31 year old school teacher in rural America gets a plea deal, it's due to political favouritism for when he runs for VP 29 years later. God damn the deep state is organized, no wonder they were able to fail Trump's totally realistic and achievable legislative agenda!
Do you hear yourself?
You are free to indulge in whatever creative writing you feel you can from what I wrote. I’ll just keep telling you that you should probably actually read what I wrote.
I said nothing of the sort and your “summary” is just a fiction you decided to interpret badly to make a point that was not in question.
If you would like clarification on what I wrote and the meaning behind it I am happy to oblige.
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I’ve heard about “deep select” but that is some next-level deep selection
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That is a very poor excuse for dismantling your border and allowing anyone to just walk in and take up residence. What you end up with is people that don't pay taxes. Massive health and safety issues, including deaths, lower than minimum wage and a whole host of other problems. You're basically advocating slave labour. There was a case recently where children under 15, by the dozens, working shifts at fast food restraunts. No schooling, no medical, in many cases no parents. I remember the old days, watching the news and seeing the INS raids on laundries, meat packing plants and restaurants, etc. They used the same excuses you're making. Guess what? It made zero difference in the employment numbers after they were deported by the thousands.
Link - "Tennessee factory employing immigrant children young as 14 forced to pay out almost $2M: Labor Department"
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It’s strange then that so many republicans are pushing to loosen child labour laws.
Republicans push for teenagers as young as 14 to work in restaurants, industrial jobs
With unemployment at 50-year low of 3.5%, businesses of all types need workers. State lawmakers, mostly Republicans, see teenagers as a solution.
www.usatoday.com
Opinion | The Absurd Republican Argument for Rolling Back Child Labor Laws (Published 2023)
Parents’ rights? Come on.
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Science and research disagrees with you. But don’t let that get in the way of a good old political bias.
"The difference between foreign-born and US-born mortality has grown substantially since 1990, with the ratio of US-born to foreign-born mortality rates nearly doubling by 2017. In that year, foreign-born life expectancy reached 81.4 and 85.7 years for men and women, respectively—7.0 and 6.2 years higher than their US-origin counterparts."
Also, 14 is the minimum age to work in most of Canada and US, and there are some exceptions to allow younger teens to work (down to 12 years old in some cases). There may be more immigrants taking advantage of those rules than non-immigrants but why does that matter?
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I didn’t say that I’m advocating for dismantling the border.
What I’m saying is that the “system”, as it’s set up right now, would make a lot of Americans shocked if the undocumented immigrant workforce left.
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