Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

It seems the key issues are far more profound, and should probably steer us away from considering Boeing as a supplier:


Why Boeing’s Problems with the 737 MAX Began More Than 25 Years Ago

Aggressive cost cutting and rocky leadership changes have eroded the culture at Boeing, a company once admired for its engineering rigor, says Bill George. What will it take to repair the reputational damage wrought by years of crises involving its 737 MAX?

Once again, Boeing’s 737 MAX is back in the headlines.

After two crashes that killed 346 people in 2018 and 2019 and five years of ensuing design changes and regulatory scrutiny, the 737 MAX is grounded again after a mid-air blowout of a fuselage panel on January 5. After loose bolts were discovered on other MAX 9s, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) grounded the planes and opened an investigation into whether MAX is safe to fly, accompanied by a stern warning, saying, “This incident should have never happened, and it cannot happen again.”

Boeing has also experienced repeated problems in design and production with its newest jumbo jet, the 787 Dreamliner. Such frequent, repeated crises point to a deeper issue than isolated engineering mishaps. The underlying cause of these issues is a leadership failure that has allowed cultural drift away from Boeing’s once-vaunted engineering quality.

Why Boeing’s Problems with the 737 MAX Began More Than 25 Years Ago - HBS Working Knowledge

There really isn’t another ASW aircraft option in the west…

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

If the US Navy owns the IP of the ASW suite, and is willing to move away from Boeing (that's the big if), the West can fairly easily move the kit to another platform, be it an A220-300 or an A320neo of Airbus. I'm sure Airbus would jump at the opportunity and make sure its engineering is done right even if just for the bragging rights. I bet Embraer would also love to sink its teeth into such a game.

 

[Baz]

It seems the key issues are far more profound, and should probably steer us away from considering Boeing as a supplier:

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm not sure there isn't something bigger at play here, and there but for the grace of god goes Airbus (or maybe the EUs regulatory structure is better than the US right now)?

The relentless drive by the airlines to compete on cost doesn't just result in having to pay extra for your bag. The competition between Boeing and Airbus has been, to say the least, intense. Maybe Boeing's engineering and production elements have not had as big a say as the marketing and contract closure elements?

Which speaks to a bigger picture... could it be that Western societies "I'm more important than you" and "I want everything, I want it now, and I want it cheap" attitudes are creating structural rifts that are starting to emerge?

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Hard to argue that the race to be the cheapest is run by everyone without cutting some corners.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

There's a lot of speculation that the lack of maintenance and inspection is being affected because of DEI hiring.

 

[Pelorus]

There's a lot of speculation that the lack of maintenance and inspection is being affected because of DEI hiring.

I would love to see any sort of actual analysis that shows that aircraft are falling apart because of Boeing hiring practices at any level aside from the fact that for the past few decades upper management has seen engineers displaced by MBAs.

"AmericanPatriot1488.com - Is Boeing failing because of the gays and the blacks turning wrenches?"

 

[dimsum]

There's a lot of speculation that the lack of maintenance and inspection is being affected because of DEI hiring

Yeah, I’m gonna need to see a source on that.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

There's a lot of speculation that the lack of maintenance and inspection is being affected because of DEI hiring.

I will not immediately dismiss this, as limiting of any pool of labour has impacts on performance of maintenance and safety.

That said, that is a Grand Canyon sized leap to make without any proof or statistic to prove it.

 

[PuckChaser]

There's a lot of speculation that the lack of maintenance and inspection is being affected because of DEI hiring.

My god, I hope you warmed up before stretching that far. You're gonna tear something.

 

[Furniture]

I will not immediately dismiss this, as limiting of any pool of labour has impacts on performance of maintenance and safety.

That said, that is a Grand Canyon sized leap to make without any proof or statistic to prove it.

Not just limiting, but giving preferential points to people because of things not directly related to their job performance.

I'm sure in the CAF we have all seen people promoted well beyond their ability at least in part because of scrit point chasing.

Like you, I will need to see some evidence of it before I believe that is the case with the failures at Boeing.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

My god, I hope you warmed up before stretching that far. You're gonna tear something.

I'm simply repeating what I heard on a couple of talk programs when the door blew off. I also didn't state anything categorically.

MSN

There's tons more where that came from if you need me to exonerate myself more for simply repeating what heads bigger than mine have stated.

speculation /spĕk″yə-lā′shən/

noun​

1. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition.
2. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.
3. Contemplation or consideration of a subject; meditation.

 

[MJP]

I suspect it is the ever driving need to make money for shareholders over DEI that drove Boeing into the trashheap. Although it is probably many factors that play into their issues.

Ok article detailing some of the issues. As always to be taken with a grain salt NY Mag is pretty left of center publication

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/boeing-planes-problems-stock-price-shareholders.html

 

[Quirky]

Alleged Insider says Boeing's woes are symptom of 'failure of our elites' and DEI ‘ripping our society apart’ | Fox Business

An alleged insider from embattled airplane manufacturer Boeing spoke to a news outlet about how ESG and DEI are handicapping some of the most critical industries.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[dimsum]

Alleged Insider says Boeing's woes are symptom of 'failure of our elites' and DEI ‘ripping our society apart’ | Fox Business

An alleged insider from embattled airplane manufacturer Boeing spoke to a news outlet about how ESG and DEI are handicapping some of the most critical industries.

www.foxbusiness.com

This has allegedly caused yet another rift between leadership and staff, "If you look at the bumper stickers at the factories in Renton or Everett, it’s a lot of conservative people who like building things—and conservative people do not like politics at work."

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Yeah, I’m gonna need to see a source on that.

There's lots more, like the MSN link I posted above, if you want me to post more. Or you can DDG* it.

* Duck Duck Go

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I would love to see any sort of actual analysis that shows that aircraft are falling apart because of Boeing hiring practices at any level aside from the fact that for the past few decades upper management has seen engineers displaced by MBAs.

"AmericanPatriot1488.com - Is Boeing failing because of the gays and the blacks turning wrenches?"

See above.

 

[Quirky]

What’s the hiring process over at Airbus, they handcuffed by DEI policies as well?

 

[dimsum]

There's lots more, like the MSN link I posted above, if you want me to post more. Or you can DDG* it.

* Duck Duck Go

So that got me reading…and it’s an interesting read.

MSN reposted (since it doesn’t actually report news) a Fox Business article, which was a summary of a City Journal post by a noted DEI critic. City Journal is published by the Manhattan Institute, a Conservative think tank.

Now, I could be performing mental gymnastics here, but I would argue that it may be a bit biased against DEI in general and “situating the estimate” a bit.

What’s the hiring process over at Airbus, they handcuffed by DEI policies as well?

Airbus is French-led. Their work policies would make North American conservatives scream bloody murder.

 

[OldSolduer]

So when that door blew off the 737 or whatever it was - did anyone check the bolts that held the door on to see if they were OEM or aftermarket?

I ask this because when we rebuilt the Barracuda the builder asked "where did these door bolts come from? They are wrong and substandard. Lets go find some proper door bolts."

 

[Fishbone Jones]

So that got me reading…and it’s an interesting read.

MSN reposted (since it doesn’t actually report news) a Fox Business article, which was a summary of a City Journal post by a noted DEI critic. City Journal is published by the Manhattan Institute, a Conservative think tank.

Now, I could be performing mental gymnastics here, but I would argue that it may be a bit biased against DEI in general and “situating the estimate” a bit.



Airbus is French-led. Their work policies would make North American conservatives scream bloody murder.

Left, right and centre. 44 articles about the Texas AG questioning about DEI. You'll have to do your own research if you want more info.

Texas AG Paxton probes Boeing supplier, takes aim at DEI practices

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) is investigating a major supplier of aerospace company Boeing, whose flagship 737 MAX aircraft has been linked to a series

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