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Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay

No do overs.  The government rejects petition to have another referendum, PM Cameron say's absolutely not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3682084/Government-REJECTS-petition-calling-second-Brexit-referendum-signed-four-million-people.html

I can imagine the howls of protest over the protest will be even louder now. 
 
Now, this is interesting.
Seeing as I was unaware of these things, I expect lots of other people are as well.

Accepting as all the following as true, here are some examples, from a Brit friend, of why many people in Great Britain voted LEAVE.

Quote:
Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant,
Jaguar is owned by Tata, the same Indian company that trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland's AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in  Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down, leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether, even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. Cameron's campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, > Dennis etc., in the UK.
The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK,

I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc. Now, we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed the Brit non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, Don't even go there.

I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't find a single thing.

If you think the EU is a good idea, please tell us why.

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We used to marvel at the results of the EU Common Agricultural Policy while wandering 'in the cuds' in Northern Ireland.

Tiny little one or two field farms sporting spanking new infrastructure including reinforced concrete silage pits, shiny new tractors, huge paved driveways etc were home to 4 or 5 lonely head of cattle and a couple of elderly farmers. Our job being to watch these types of places closely from covert positions put us in the unique position of observing this waste of resources on a massive and unsustainable scale.

When you read about it now, it's a wonder why the US didn't try to invade 'Commie' Europe instead of Cuba:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy
 
dapaterson said:
American agricultural policy is equally wasteful.

Agreed.  I'm not a big fan of burning either Corn or Canola in vehicles.

Those policies just mean that there is a lot of room to reduce costs.
 
The establishment now controls Article 50

Theresa May to become Prime Minister as Andrea Leadsom quits Conservative leadership race

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/theresa-may-launches-conservative-leadership-bid-as-andrea-leads/

Andrea Leadsom supporters should not despair. Brexit is safe with Theresa May

TIM STANLEY

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/11/andrea-leadsom-supporters-should-not-despair-brexit-is-safe-with/

Theresa May will start her premiership facing a deep and dangerous split in the Conservative Party

JAMES KIRKUP

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/theresa-may-will-start-her-premiership-facing-a-deep-and-dangero/

Meanwhile

The EU and Nato will both want to make Brexit work

IAN BOND
DIRECTOR OF FOREIGN POLICY AT THE CENTRE FOR EUROPEAN REFORM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/the-eu-and-nato-will-both-want-to-make-brexit-work/

And the negotiations continue......

I wait to see how much "sovereignty" Britain cedes/claims/reclaims.

At the same time I wonder how much longer the Westminster Party can continue to maintain a posture of control as they lose more and more of the population's support.





 
Party Seats
Conservative 330
Labour 230
Scottish National Party 54
Democratic Unionist Party 8
Liberal Democrat 8
Independent 4
Sinn Fein 4
Plaid Cymru 3
Social Democratic & Labour Party 3
Ulster Unionist Party 2
Green Party 1
Speaker 1
UK Independence Party 1
Vacant 1
Total number of seats 650
Working Government Majority 16

245 Tory MPs voted for May and Gove against 84 who supported the "Party Candidate" Leadsom

The Conservatives have a current membership of 149,800

190 Labour MPs abstained or voted against their Leader, Jeremy Corbyn, their "Party Candidate" against 40 supporters

Labour has a current membership of 503,000 that is skewing hard left and away from the Westminster Party

Approximately 190 MPs of 650 voted to Remain

17,410,742 UK citizens voted to Leave while 16,141,241 voted to Remain.  13,000,000 couldn't be arsed.

UKIP has 1 MP and a party membership of 45,000 (ca May 2015).

A story of tails and dogs.









 
cupper said:
Oh, great! The went with the hot looking one.  :o

Do you have any Brit blood in you?  Sounds like you might have an upper class predilection for Head Mistresses and canes.  Please Ma'am, can I have another one?

You have to give the Tories their due.  A few millennia of practice and they know how to efficiently stage a blood bath.  Two weeks and all done. 

Meanwhile the Socialists are still debating who will hold the knife.
 
Chris Pook said:
Do you have any Brit blood in you?  Sounds like you might have an upper class predilection for Head Mistresses and canes.  Please Ma'am, can I have another one?

You have to give the Tories their due.  A few millennia of practice and they know how to efficiently stage a blood bath.  Two weeks and all done. 

Meanwhile the Socialists are still debating who will hold the knife.
Socialists never could find their ass with both hands.  That's why they want everyone else to be productive.
 
Chris Pook said:
Do you have any Brit blood in you?  Sounds like you might have an upper class predilection for Head Mistresses and canes.  Please Ma'am, can I have another one?

You have to give the Tories their due.  A few millennia of practice and they know how to efficiently stage a blood bath.  Two weeks and all done. 

Meanwhile the Socialists are still debating who will hold the knife.

She passed the test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNn-6FzTimY
 
I have Scots and Irish blood going back 2 generations.

That same blood may have been tainted with alcohol during that last post.  ;D
 
I've got two DNA kits sitting on my desk from two different organizations. I'm going to find out once and for all where my family came from.

Just gotta wait until I'm sure there isn't going to be a postal strike. I don't want my completed kits sitting in some post office somewhere deteriorating. ^-^
 
Before you send pay for it and send them off, might want to give this a listen.

http://www.radiolab.org/story/91654-race-doesnt-exist-or-does-it/

Seems the results may not be as meaningful as some purport.

For instance, the "European" race from a genetic standpoint covers such a broad spectrum that you would be hard pressed to find someone in the entire global population who doesn't fall into the category.
 
recceguy said:
I've got two DNA kits sitting on my desk from two different organizations. I'm going to find out once and for all where my family came from.

Just gotta wait until I'm sure there isn't going to be a postal strike. I don't want my completed kits sitting in some post office somewhere deteriorating. ^-^

On a side note, there is some concern about these tests.  I did a stint at the office of the privacy commissioner and it is something I would advise against for the time being.  Canada has very limited laws in protecting people and their privacy in regards to their genetic information.  Things like insurance, employment etc.  And it could have an effect on on your kids and grandkids. 

This is a quick article on the issues it could pose. http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/home-dna-tests-may-affect-insurance-employment-1.3018086

When I was at OPC it was a subject being looked into.  Just food for thought. 

Edit to add: some stuff from OPC worth a read.  https://www.priv.gc.ca/search/?rc=1&q=Genealogical+&cn-search-submit=Search
 
Boris Johnson is Theresa May's Foreign Secretary.

I actually laughed when I heard that on CBC radio just now.

:rofl:
 
recceguy said:
I've got two DNA kits sitting on my desk from two different organizations ...
Careful, now, who they go to  ;D
 

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Isn't there a tradition of having a general election when the PM changes under these circumstances?
 
There is no such tradition and no precedent.

In addition, the UK went to five year fixed terms in any event.

In some senses the Tories might enjoy an election now given the state of the Labour party

Personally I perceive a major problem in the ongoing rise of party politics.  It becomes increasingly apparent that there are major problems when the extra-parliamentary party and the parliamentary party are not in sync.

UK Labour is experiencing it.  UK Conservatives have papered over the cracks for few more years (maybe).  And here in Canada the Liberals have adopted the Justin Movement format (much like the Corbyn format) and the CPC narrowly avoided the same fate at their last convention.

Parties will be the death of parliamentary democracy.  They act against a system based on a local constituency representative who works on behalf of all his electors.  A consideration when thinking about doing something other than First Past The Post.



 
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