CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[Fishbone Jones]

That question should be "What leader does the Liberal Party of Canada want you to think will roll over for Trump?". Pollievere has had the hardest counter statements and an actual plan to divest of the US economy. So much so LPC leader candidates are taking his platform.

Carney rolled over to Trump last year, when he moved Brookefield to New York, from Canada

Then he bald faced lied to the Canadian people at the English debate about the move.

LILLEY: Carney seemingly caught in easy lie about moving HQ to NYC

Liberal leadership hopeful claims he had no role on moving head office to United States, record shows otherwise.

torontosun.com

 

[Remius]

Carney rolled over to Trump last year, when he moved Brookefield to New York, from Canada

Um, last year Biden was president if I recall….

 

[IKnowNothing]

I wonder when the CPC attacks are going to get into the real meat of the BAM relocation details. How many jobs were lost to New York, what tax revenue shifted etc.

Oh wait- I know that answer is never because the number is zero.

 

[OldSolduer]

I wonder when the CPC attacks are going to get into the real meat of the BAM relocation details. How many jobs were lost to New York, what tax revenue shifted etc.

Oh wait- I know that answer is never because the number is zero.

WRT to this Ben Mulroney - yes son of Brian "The Chin" Mulroney raked a CBC reporter over the coals about this. The reporter not only reported the move but made excuses which may be valid reasons - access to US markets etc.
Nevertheless CBC continues to prop up this terrible LPC.

 

[IKnowNothing]

WRT to this Ben Mulroney - yes son of Brian "The Chin" Mulroney raked a CBC reporter over the coals about this. The reporter not only reported the move but made excuses which may be valid reasons - access to US markets etc.

Carney's lie about the timeline of the move does not look good on him. That is the only real honest attack opening. He lied, no ifs and or buts about it.
By that lie, Carney called his character into question, and left himself open to attack.


But implying that the move itself was something it wasn't and building an attack narrative around that is no less of a lie, with all the same pitfalls.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Um, last year Biden was president if I recall….

He may be referring to this

But the bottom line is, Carney backed moving his company’s head office to the United States at a time when Donald Trump was already threatening Canada’s economy with 25% tariffs. He and Brookfield could have changed course after Trump launched his attack on Nov. 25.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Carney's lie about the timeline of the move does not look good on him.

Does not look good to Conservatives. No one else seems to care.

That is the only real honest attack opening. He lied, no ifs and or buts about it.
By that lie, Carney called his character into question, and left himself open to attack.

But implying that the move itself was something it wasn't and building an attack narrative around that is no less of a lie, with all the same pitfalls.

There's always a but when Liberal politicians get caught lying.

 

[ModlrMike]

In politics the image is everything, and the image here is that Carney is not the person to stand up to the Americans after moving his business there and then lying about it. It doesn't matter which president was in power at the time.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Does not look good to Conservatives. No one else seems to care.

There's always a but when Liberal politicians get caught lying.

You're doing a but.. but for the CPC. They're lying about the nature of the "move".. but it's ok because- Carney lied first? The ends justify the means?

 

[Jarnhamar]

You're doing a but.. but for the CPC. They're lying about the nature of the "move".. but it's ok because- Carney lied first? The ends justify the means?

What statement did the Conservatives make that's a lie?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Um, last year Biden was president if I recall….

If it needs to be explained, you likely won’t understand.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

He may be referring to this

Bingo.
Simple, for anyone wanting to read a bit.

 

[Remius]

If it needs to be explained, you likely

I ever expect much explanation from you in the first place. Especially when you get challenged on your strange takes on things,

Have great day!

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You're doing a but.. but for the CPC. They're lying about the nature of the "move".. but it's ok because- Carney lied first? The ends justify the means?

You see though, that's your opinion. It's not the opinion of millions that have watched it unfold, so far. They have a different take and are comfortable with that opinion.

And that's what matters.

 

[IKnowNothing]

What statement did the Conservatives make that's a lie?

That BAM headquarters was moved to New York, "selling out" Canadian jobs.

BAM already had both New York and Toronto offices. They filed paperwork changing which one was designated HQ, for the purpose of trying to gain entry onto US index funds. As far as I can see

• no loss of physical space to their Toronto office
• no jobs lost in Toronto

Carney's decision to lie is a perfectly good vector for attack with no need to be dishonest and try and gaslight the ignorant.

 

[IKnowNothing]

You see though, that's your opinion. It's not the opinion of millions that have watched it unfold, so far. They have a different take and are comfortable with that opinion.

And that's what matters.

No it's really not. Filing paperwork to change a registration is an objectively different event than moving an office, closing one and opening another.

 

[Remius]

That BAM headquarters was moved to New York, "selling out" Canadian jobs.

BAM already had both New York and Toronto offices. They filed paperwork changing which one was designated HQ, for the purpose of trying to gain entry onto US index funds. As far as I can see

• no loss of physical space to their Toronto office
• no jobs lost in Toronto

Carney's decision to lie is a perfectly good vector for attack with no need to be dishonest and try and gaslight the ignorant.

Facts don’t matter to some. It’s the age we live in unfortunately.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I ever expect much explanation from you in the first place. Especially when you get challenged on your strange takes on things,

Have great day!

You miss the whole glaring point and it's my fault I won’t spoon feed you? That's rich.
My strange take? No, it's the current take of the whole conservative party.

I always have a great day.

 

[Remius]

You miss the whole glaring point and it's my fault I won’t spoon feed you? That's rich.
My strange take? No, it's the current take of the whole conservative party.

I always have a great day.

You started with being personal. I’m happy to match energy with you.

I didn’t ask to be spoon fed. And I didn’t miss your usual partisan hypocrisy or whatever propaganda your are parroting.

That’s me explaining what you might not understand in case you missed it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

That BAM headquarters was moved to New York, "selling out" Canadian jobs.

BAM already had both New York and Toronto offices. They filed paperwork changing which one was designated HQ, for the purpose of trying to gain entry onto US index funds. As far as I can see

• no loss of physical space to their Toronto office
• no jobs lost in Toronto

Carney's decision to lie is a perfectly good vector for attack with no need to be dishonest and try and gaslight the ignorant.

Thanks. I'll dig into that and see what I turn up.

Facts don’t matter to some. It’s the age we live in unfortunately.

A man can remake the world if he doesn't let facts get in the way.