CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[IKnowNothing]

Thanks. I'll dig into that and see what I turn up.

Appreciate that and seeing anything you find- here's what I've seen so far

From FP this week

Brookfield's Move From Toronto Becomes Flashpoint for Carney in Political Race

Brookfield Asset Management Ltd.’s decision to move its head office to New York from Toronto is causing trouble for Mark Carney in his run for Canadian prime minist…

financialpost.com

Brookfield Asset announced in October that it had shifted its headquarters, part of a series of changes to make its shares more attractive to US investors and gain membership in equity indexes such as the S&P 500...

Brookfield has said that Canadian operations were not impacted as a result of the head-office switch, and as a global investment firm it has long maintained a significant presence in both Toronto and New York, along with other financial centers, including London.

From FP back before it became a political football

Brookfield moves HQ to New York in corporate restructuring aimed at boosting investor base

Brookfield Asset Management has moved its head office to New York in a bid to broaden its investor base. Read more

financialpost.com

An “HQ can change with the stroke of a pen, but changing incorporation is a much more involved and, in most cases, costly process,” Haynes said in a note on Sept. 30. “We think S&P and other important index providers should always preference incorporation.”

 

[Fishbone Jones]

No it's really not. Filing paperwork to change a registration is an objectively different event than moving an office, closing one and opening another.

As I say though. That doesn’t matter to millions of Canadians. The incident has planted doubts about Carney's honesty and integrity. Right or wrong, it has established the narrative his oppositon want. And you'll have a damn hard time changing their supporter's minds now. Whether your points are salient or not.

 

[IKnowNothing]

As I say though. That doesn’t matter to millions of Canadians. The incident has planted doubts about Carney's honesty and integrity. Right or wrong, it has established the narrative his oppositon want. And you'll have a damn hard time changing their supporter's minds now. Whether your points are salient or not.

The incident should have planted doubts about Carney's honesty- the man lied.
But in manner they chose to exploit that lie the CPC are themselves lying. What does that say about their honesty and integrity?
What does trying to skate around that say about the principles of the supporter doing the skating?
What does it do to the CPC's credibility if the LPC finds a way to articulate the truth?

 

[Quirky]

The incident should have planted doubts about Carney's honesty- the man lied.

Carney seems to be a pathological liar.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The incident should have planted doubts about Carney's honesty- the man lied.
But in manner they chose to exploit that lie the CPC are themselves lying. What does that say about their honesty and integrity?
What does trying to skate around that say about the principles of the supporter doing the skating?
What does it do to the CPC's credibility if the LPC finds a way to articulate the truth?

Sounds like politics as usual if you ask me.

I found this. Im in the process of digesting and trying to understand all of the points, pro and con.

Perhaps it contains the answer to your question.

Truth and its political forms: an explorative cartography - Contemporary Political Theory

For some years now, the significance of truth for politics has been intensely debated under the buzzword “post-truth.” However, this cannot hide the fact that political theory and philosophy have systematically neglected the relationship between truth and politics throughout their history. This...

link.springer.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

Pfffft... this is some real lying... and not very good either as it was easy to find out he was lying...

Rustad changes story on fatal overdose coroner had no record of​

B.C. Conservative leader had claimed at televised debate that he saw overdose at Robson and Hornby streets​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/john-rustad-fatal-overdose-1.7348135

 

[brihard]

A bunch of LPC Leadership stuff has leaked over to the Tariffs thread.

Meanwhile, new bullshit pretext for tariffs if they need one. Time to appoint an egg czar!

U.S. border egg seizures up nearly 40% as prices soar

With eggs getting more and more expensive in the United States, American border agents are scrambling to stop egg smuggling from Canada.

vancouver.citynews.ca

Time for a Beaverton article about cartons of eggs hidden within shipments of weed or something.

 

[Maxman1]

‘He’s not a MAGA guy’: Donald Trump has doubts about Pierre Poilievre — and don’t get him started on Chrystia Freeland

In an interview with The Spectator, Donald Trump took credit for Chrystia Freeland’s “firing”, and said that Pierre Poilievre is not Trump’s kind of conservative.

www.thestar.com

Better than an actual endorsement.

 

[GR66]

‘He’s not a MAGA guy’: Donald Trump has doubts about Pierre Poilievre — and don’t get him started on Chrystia Freeland

In an interview with The Spectator, Donald Trump took credit for Chrystia Freeland’s “firing”, and said that Pierre Poilievre is not Trump’s kind of conservative.

www.thestar.com

Better than an actual endorsement.

The Conservatives should run an ad with these Trump anti-Poilievre comments plastered over that "Poilievre is pro-Trump" ad being aired by "Protecting Canada"

 

[ModlrMike]

I'm most surprised that this was published in the "red Star".

 

[OldSolduer]

Brian "The Chin" Mulroney

This is Brian's Mob name

Justin "Handsy" Trudeau

Pierre "The Pickle" Poliviere

Mark "The Architect" Carney.

 

[Lumber]

I think this is a good place to put this.

Bermuda Tim coming in HOT! I'm very happy with the Premier we got out here. Sorry, rest of Canada.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895493852233969881

 

[Brad Sallows]

"It does not serve Quebec."

So much for appeals to unity. There are always people who want to respect a concensus only when it is useful to them or requires no concession or risk on their part.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I think this is a good place to put this.

Bermuda Tim coming in HOT! I'm very happy with the Premier we got out here. Sorry, rest of Canada.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895493852233969881

I'm curious. Could a new Conservative government not use the Notwithstanding Clause, citing national security or national interest, to push the pipeline through Quebec? Or short circuit them altogether and make a deal with the First Nations and run it through central Quebec on native land?

 

[Good2Golf]

I'm curious. Could a new Conservative government not use the Notwithstanding Clause, citing national security or national interest, to push the pipeline through Quebec? Or short circuit them altogether and make a deal with the First Nations and run it through central Quebec on native land?

Why bother, seriously? Just finish Northern Gateway, and build a Canadian oil line following TC’s gas line down to Ontario and on up to Churchill, so that Ontario to BC can buy, refine and use AB’s WCS, and let Quebec keep shipping in Saudi oil. If Quebec’s can sleep soundly at night knowing their cars are consuming MBS’s and family’s oil, so be it. I can sleep just as soundly getting my diesel from the Sarina or Nanticoke refineries being fed through an all-Canadian routed AB-ON pipeline.

 

[brihard]

I'm curious. Could a new Conservative government not use the Notwithstanding Clause, citing national security or national interest, to push the pipeline through Quebec? Or short circuit them altogether and make a deal with the First Nations and run it through central Quebec on native land?

No. The Notwithstanding Clause applies only to certain Charter sections. It doesn’t apply to division of powers between levels of government as set out in the Constitution Act.

 

[Genetk44]

Quebec either voluntarily gets with the program in Canada or one day the Americans will sort them out.

 

[FJAG]

No. The Notwithstanding Clause applies only to certain Charter sections. It doesn’t apply to division of powers between levels of government as set out in the Constitution Act.

The Charter (including the notwithstanding clause) do not apply here but the constitution does.

s 91 provides

91 It shall be lawful for the Queen, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate and House of Commons, to make Laws for the Peace, Order, and good Government of Canada, in relation to all Matters not coming within the Classes of Subjects by this Act assigned exclusively to the Legislatures of the Provinces; ...

s 92 provides

92 In each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Matters coming within the Classes of Subjects next hereinafter enumerated; that is to say, ...

• 10.
  Local Works and Undertakings other than such as are of the following Classes:
  • (a)
    Lines of Steam or other Ships, Railways, Canals, Telegraphs, and other Works and Undertakings connecting the Province with any other or others of the Provinces, or extending beyond the Limits of the Province:
  • (b)
    Lines of Steam Ships between the Province and any British or Foreign Country:
  • (c)
    Such Works as, although wholly situate within the Province, are before or after their Execution declared by the Parliament of Canada to be for the general Advantage of Canada or for the Advantage of Two or more of the Provinces.

My reading is that if a pipeline is inside a province and doesn't extend outside of it then the province controls but if the pipeline connects several provinces or simply transits a province from one to another through a third then the Feds are in charge. The responsible agency is the Canada Energy Regulator.

This is far from my area of expertise, but I think that a Federal government, with the political will, could make it happen.

 

[OldSolduer]

"It does not serve Quebec."

So much for appeals to unity. There are always people who want to respect a concensus only when it is useful to them or requires no concession or risk on their part.

Follow the money My Jedi friend....

 

[PuckChaser]

Political will is the key phrase. If Quebec decides to block a pipeline, they should lose transfer payments equal to the expected revenue each year until they approve. A James/Hudson Bay loading station is also feasible and local first nations should be given the training needed and first crack at jobs to operate it.