Canadian modular assault rifle project, a C7 replacement?

[Fabius]

Still the Rem 870P. Did the RCN replace the 870 with a different shotgun or just move to C8/C7?

 

[medicineman]

In the early 90's when I was posted in Calgary, Brigade set up a deal with the Base Gun Club to take people in to show us how to shoot trap and skeet to (a) learn to use a shotgun, (b) learn instinctive shooting against a moving target and (c) engage moving areal targets. I'd shot a bit of trap in high school - quite enjoyed it. Had a bit of an issue with the skeet range - I think partially when I hit the simultaneous dual target positions and also because the clays were going across the front more than going away like in trap. Oddly, it got sort of fixed when they gave me a Defender set up with a deer barrel on it with rifle sights, since dude thought I was more used to non-bead sights...started wrecking them. Something worked. I bought an Ithaca 37 pump used off a friend I used to shoot trap for awhile afterward. Sold the gun when I moved to Kingston not long after marriage broke up and moved into shacks...

 

[Halifax Tar]

Still the Rem 870P. Did the RCN replace the 870 with a different shotgun or just move to C8/C7?

We moved to C8s with a Sig sidearm.

I think AOPs might carry a shotgun for polar bear defence, but I haven't seen their MAST (Mobile Account Ships Tables).

We also ditched our MP5s. I was sad to see them go, I loved that weapon.

 

[KevinB]

We moved to C8s with a Sig sidearm.

I think AOPs might carry a shotgun for polar bear defence, but I haven't seen their MAST (Mobile Account Ships Tables).

We also ditched our MP5s. I was sad to see them go, I loved that weapon.

Shotguns are a very niche firearm for LE or MIL usage, as virtually anything they do can be better done by other systems.

Neither Slug nor BuckShot are optimal options, as rifle caliber carbines from 5.56mm to 7.62mm NATO provide much better options in terms of precision and penetration, with a common manual of arms.

Less Lethal is one of the areas where the 12ga shines, as so many LE entities have lots of them, and so they are a economical option.
Most of those LL aspects can be done in 40mm for the Military, but it is not a good idea to mix a Lethal System with LL rounds -- one of the reason most LE LL Shotguns are painted specific colors to ensure the user is aware it is a LL system - and no lethal ammo is inserted.

C/UAS, for 99.99% of shooters, a Semi-Auto Shotgun is going to be the better option, given that most users are not internationally ranked skeet shooters - and shotgun training in the mil is a low focus effort.
In the ideal would it would be a C8 like shotgun (Hey Colt Canada make it so) loading from a magazine or drum using the same manual of arms as the C8/C7 series.


While I like the MP-5, it wasn't the easiest system to adapt between the C8 and MP-5, as the charging handle was oddly placed (compared to the C8), the lack of a bolt hold open on empty magazine, and the awkwardness of adding accessories. Plus 9mm kind of faded out when one needed to start considering shots beyond 150m, or targets that may be lightly armored..

 

[NavyShooter]

The AOPS has a RCN version of the C19 Ranger Rifle.

Nice looking firearms.

 

[quadrapiper]

C/UAS, for 99.99% of shooters, a Semi-Auto Shotgun is going to be the better option, given that most users are not internationally ranked skeet shooters - and shotgun training in the mil is a low focus effort.

It's also relatively low-footprint.

Want an easy way to spend a bunch of defence money? Establish skeet ranges all over the place, and also fund a) unit weapons training as a a priority item, and b) additional service weapon firing on existing rifle ranges. Start treating it in a manner similar to the theory with PT: deliver both focused trade/role training and a low-barrier-to-entry opportunity for members to engage in additional practice on their own time.