Canadian Reserve Forces Vs US Reserve Forces

[Donut]

By starting this now, I've just guaranteed my pager will go off, as it has the previous three times I've tried to get this started, but here goes.

I'd like to do a quick and dirty comparison of the health care components of the USAR/NG/USMCR with the CF HS Res, employment, tng, deployability, complementary civi skills, etc.

Employment:  As discussed, the USAR etc deploy as a formed unit, whereas the CF HS Res deploy (few)individual augmentees to add numbers, but not new capabilities, to ops.

Training:  USAR etc identical across reg/res spectrum, CF HS Res is now beginning to move to a QL3 equivalent (-) skill set.  Achieved in approx 4(!?!) years of res f tng.  The CF will provide all tng except the Primary Care Paramedic credential to make a res mbr deployable.

Equipment:  USAR CSH units are almost identically to their USA counterparts.  CF HS Res units don't even come close.  Very hard to train on kit you've never seen.

Range of Skills:  A USAR etc.  Cbt Support Hospital will have a wide range of skills, including anaesthesia, lab, x-ray, physio, pmed, NBC, a couple of PA's, a general surgeon, perhaps on orthopod, etc.  A CF HS Res Fd Amb considers itself lucky to have an RN or a couple of paramedics.  Virtually no PA in the Res, no surgeons, no anaesthesia, no lab, no x-ray, no Respiratory Therapists.  

Deployable?  USAR etc:  Big YES.  CF Res Fd Amb-God I hope not.

Fitness:  USAR (esp USNR 2nded to USMCR) Extremely high.  Released if drops below standard, with loss of benefits.  CF HS Res: about as good as most reservists, but these people didn't want to face the rigours of Cbt Arms experience for the most part.

Health Care experience: USAR Virtually every mbr works in a civi health care facility.  CF HS Res: Very few work in a clinical setting.

WRT mandated training, that's all well and good, but lets keep a couple of salient points in mind here:
Our HS Res has already handed down an annual training plan.  As a result, many of our troops are expected to parade 3 out of 4 weekends most months.  

Now, most health care professionals have a few problems with this:  Shift work, to start with.  Professional competence, for another.  If I don't do a couple of good (ie a pt trying hard to leave this world)  ambulance calls a month, I notice skill fade fairly quickly, a little slower to get to a treatment plan, a little more hesitant on my sticks, a little less aggresive in my interventions.  

If you take a surgeon out of his OR for 6-8 weeks to go live in a tent at WATC and try to simulate what he's been doing for 60 hours a week for the other 45 weeks of the year, you think he might have the same issues?

That being said, taking the surgeon from TO who's had 6 thoracic GSW's on his table this week and dropping him in K'Har is a good thing, likewise with his anaesthesiologist, the medic doing the pickup at the CCP, the nurse flying him to Germany, etc.  HS Res can provide a level of clinical currency that the Reg F has to work extremely hard to maintain, having to fit it in around all the other day-to-day soldiering as, even if clinically employed on base, you just don't see the right injuries show up on the average sick parade.

I'm not saying the CF Res isn't in rough shape, but a one-size-fits-all solution isn't around the corner.

DF

Edited for spelling

 

[geo]

Reserve unit ARE establishments have been allowed to develop "willie nillie" for far too long and we consequently have shot ourselves in the foot.

Some Res units had med sections and even had their own MOs. Competent individuals in their field who were instant Captains.... and did a great job at what the did AND provided some support to the local Med unit. AND then some rocket scientist figured out that units did not need their own MO, thinking that the MDs would move over to the Med units.... guess what? most of em have all gone, they've never been replaced and the CF Medical branch is a basket case for it's trouble.

I know of one unit that, after losing their MO, still had a Sgt & Cpl who were Paramedic & ER Nurse respectively. They were there because they wanted to be... and the CF said - off to the Med Coy you go!... and "go to hell" they snapped back.
ER Nurse now fills a clerical job and the Sgt has gone back to his original infantry trade... Pissing away resources if you ask me - cause we allowed a system to develop half assed and aren't smart enough to implement changes properly.

OK rant #2 over

 

[pbi]

On the subject of the US Reserve situation, I had an interesting chat with a US officer here at CFC today. He told me that the US Reserve system, especially the ARNG and the USAR are considered by some to be reaching their breaking point in terms of sustaining rotations into OIF/OEF. I saw some signs of this when I was in Afgh last year. He also said something else that I found quite surprising: that a group he described as the "Rumsfeld crowd" was now of the opinion that the Reserve were in fact a liability, and were no longer sufficiently reliable to meet the Active Army's needs. He went on to suggest that the US Active Army is looking for a manning increase of 100-200, 000 to let it absorb the rotation stresses without having to rely too much on the Res component. Although he is a very credible and well-connected individual, I can't vouch for the accuracy of what he said. All to say that even the best and biggest Res system in the world has its limitations.

Cheers

 

[geo]

pbi...
pretty much dovetails with what I got @ my conference.... but with the disastrous recruiting problems they are having for their Regular forces, those 200K of troops are gonna be awful hard to fill..... unless Rumsfeld is thinking of a limited draft.

all teens are expected to register for the SSS when they hit the ripe old age of 16. There have been no call ups in a generation but.... it could still happen.

 

[Armymedic]

One difference I noted when working with USANG troops in Afghanistan was that many..I even say most had served time with the active service. They "retire" and move back home where they serve with the local units (local is relative, as one medic drove 200 miles to parade) and maintain the level of training while with the NG. In addition, as per Tomahawk's point above, they attend the same schools with same standards as active duty troops.

That level of expertise is not replicated at all in our Armed forces. One way to improve this is put all emphasis on Reg F recruiting and making transferring to Res F an option. Currently in our CF, a Reg F member must release, and then re enroll in the Res F. Greasing this process may keep expensive expertise in the CF.

 

[RangerRay]

To touch on other points made, there has to be some kind of incentive and/or legislation to protect reservists civilian jobs so they can take time off of work to train and/or deploy on operations.

Along with incentives/legislation, then the units can more effectively make training and deployments mandatory for it's soldiers.  There will not be any excuses for them to skip out.  If they do, they find themselves in a world of hurt, or bounced out entirely.  As well, the reserves will be able to retain good soldiers who otherwise would have had to leave due to civi career commitments.

 

[Donut]

Ranger Ray, legislation for job protection can be a double edged sword, there are cases in the US of employers refusing to hire reservists.

DF

 

[RangerRay]

Ranger Ray, legislation for job protection can be a double edged sword, there are cases in the US of employers refusing to hire reservists.

DF

Thanks.  I realise that.  You'll see I also made reference to incentives as well.  I don't know...the status quo isn't working for the Canadian reserves.  They aren't as effective as they could be. 

 

[GO!!!]

Some posters would have you beleive that there is NO shortage of Regular Force troops and that Reservists are only deploying for political reasons.   So why invest in the Reserves?

IMHO, we should'nt. The reserves (and the reg force too) should be forced to use it's resources more efficiently, and not "over man" paper units just on principal. These are units best employed as an aid to civil power unit, and emergency individual backfill troops for regular formations.

e.g. A certain unit calls itself a "regiment" it has a full Bn Complement of officers, from 2Lt right up to LCol. It has a CWO, a couple of MWOs, and not more than 25 men who parade regularly between Pte and Sgt. Why not turn this regiment into a company, and fire all of the strap hangers, who are sucking up valuable funding with PD, salaries, summer trg, officers messes etc., and pour that funding into a better exercise in an exotic locale.  If the reserves is to be about forming fighting units, the emphasis must be on training to fight, and not ceremonial dress and drill. There is a great surplus of officers of all ranks in this military, they can be used for the purpose of administration, without hiring yet another level of management on the local level for the militia. I should mention as well that the Reg F is also bloated with inefficiencies, this is not an exclusively militia problem.

Folks I know in the AR and NG now talk of a recruiting and retention crisis.   Additionally, (as Geo stated) a form of reverse discrimination is becoming apparent as employers are now reluctant to hire USAR, USNG and USMCR member as they KNOW they will be deployed.

 

[Spr.Earl]

I have heard through the grape vine that DND is looking at some form of legislation so Reservist's can go on course,long term attached postings and over seas Op.'s.They are trying  meet the middle ground,to keep employers,DND happy and at the same time to increase the availability and effectiveness of the Reserves.
Those R.Force. who have served over seas with Reserves that I know of have had little complaint about the quality of soldier the Reserves have/has provided,just the amount of time it took/takes to bring a reservist up to speed.

Over all we do produce a good citezen soldier even though Faulty Towers has neglected the Reserves for years.

I'm going on 30yrs now as a Reservist and have given a lot off my vacation,saved overtime to go on course exercise etc.,volunteered for Bosnia twice,first time was the tour that was canceled in 95,I stayed with the Reg. till the April of 96,then early Sept 96 Kevin Kennedy (RSS WO,6FD) saw me at Lonsdale Quay and asked if I wanted to go again,I says yup and was off I to Wain and came home for my embarkation leave after three and half months of work up,my wife god bless her has stood by my since we married in 91 I may be the odd one out but many a Reservist has or has done close to what I have done this past 30yrs and I say it is about time that we get some protection for our job's.
Here's the kicker, I still owe my company pension close on $8,000 for my two leave of absence's from 95 to 97!

 

[Spartan]

Anyone know exactly how Australia's reserve legislation is working out - from what I've skimmed through while looking for something else-  is that  the reservist can be called out for peace enforcement operations in addition to national emergency/local emergency. It also looks like the reservists of Australia must attend a two week event a year, and that employers are not to penalize them by using vacation/ leave time acquired for the year. It also looks like the employers are supported in this as well - and it's a farely recent peice of legislation.

 

[geo]

SB - good points- glad to hear that Cbt Arms trades are obtaining high retention rates.

Spartan - will try to track down copy of Aussie legislation. Wes Allen should be around here somewhere. He might have a few opinions to throw into the stew.

Earl - yup, company pension plans.... Interesting, hadn't thought of that but, then again, all companies I have ever worked for expected employees to look after themselves with RRSPs. Any reason you didn't look after your plan with Roto $? (never mind - MYOB!)

GO!!! - over the last 3 yrs, LFQA made composite Inf Bns, Armd & Engr Regts to exercise the senior ranks as well as the troops. There has been some decent training. Have worked as OC on some of their Ex's and Majors, MWOs, LCols & CWOs have pretty much full complement of troops to look after & lead... Can't say it's always been "elegant" but they do & did function and the jobs did get done. Could they depoly "as is"?... not at this time - but they can/could fill in as required.

 

[Haggis]

IMHO, we should'nt. The reserves (and the reg force too) should be forced to use it's resources more efficiently, and not "over man" paper units just on principal. These are units best employed as an aid to civil power unit, and emergency individual backfill troops for regular formations.

With the Reserves in it's current form and state of funding, Aid to Civil Power is not a viable role.   It is time and labour intensive to get it right.  And a public relations nightmare to get it wrong.  Reserves are prohibited by DCDS direction from conducting ACP/ALEA or CCO training (and rightfully so).   Even the Reg F only train on it when the MSIT calls for it.   The other aid to civil power role of "National Survival Training" in the 1960's, what revisionists now call Heavy Urban SAR, stripped away any remaining traces of a warfighter heritage that the Army Reserve had left.   Units were decimated of weapons, equipment and personnel.  Even in an emergency they couldn't have provided even their own Force Protection.

e.g. A certain unit calls itself a "regiment" it has a full Bn Complement of officers, from 2Lt right up to LCol. It has a CWO, a couple of MWOs, and not more than 25 men who parade regularly between Pte and Sgt. Why not turn this regiment into a company, and fire all of the strap hangers, who are sucking up valuable funding with PD, salaries, summer trg, officers messes etc., and pour that funding into a better exercise in an exotic locale.  

There are Reserve units at the other end of the scale, too, with too many troops and not enough leaders.   Our training system cannot even manage to produce enough Reg F Sgts, WOs and MWOs in the Cbt A, let alone producing Reserve leaders.   Could we use Reg F members to backfill?   Probably not.   Reserve postings are priority 6 on the VCDS Manning list.   They are filled last and we can't even manage that.   In many Reserve Cbt A units,  the Reg F Ops O and Ops WO positions are now filled with experienced Reserve Capts and MWO/WOs.

If the reserves is to be about forming fighting units, the emphasis must be on training to fight, and not ceremonial dress and drill.

Drill and ceremonial instills and preserves discipline and tradition.   Just like the Reg F.

There is a great surplus of officers of all ranks in this military, they can be used for the purpose of administration, without hiring yet another level of management on the local level for the militia. I should mention as well that the Reg F is also bloated with inefficiencies, this is not an exclusively militia problem.

.... and next week, when I'm attending the CF Transformation Team briefing, I'll ask exactly this: "Why is so much effort expended in making administration the single most time consuming thing we do for our soldiers and how does CF Transformation aim to fix that?"

Unless I get told to "Shut yer cake hole sar'major!" I'll post the reply here.   Fair nuff?

 

[geo]

By starting this now, I've just guaranteed my pager will go off, as it has the previous three times I've tried to get this started, but here goes.

I'd like to do a quick and dirty comparison of the health care components of the USAR/NG/USMCR with the CF HS Res, employment, tng, deployability, complementary civi skills, etc.
parade.

DF

Here is an entry from the November Washington Report from CDLS...

10. US Military Struggles To Recruit Medical Professionals.

a. The Pentagon, already straining to fill the ranks, is facing a new headache: Army medical officials said they are struggling to recruit enough doctors, dentists, nurses, and other healthcare professionals to treat soldiers on the front lines and to care for the growing physical and mental health needs of troops returning from combat.  For the first time in five years, the Army has missed its goal for student applicants seeking medical or dental scholarships in exchange for military service, officials told a House armed services subcommittee.
b. The Army is also falling short of personnel in some key medical specialties, including cardiology, officials said.  Meanwhile, unable to compete with the private sector in pay and compensation, the Air Force is also struggling to retain physicians and recruit new specialists.  The Army bears the greatest burden.  Since 2001, more than 40 percent of the active-duty personnel in the Army's Medical Command have been deployed to the Middle East at least once, according to Pentagon statistics.  Some healthcare providers are returning for their second or third tour of duty in four years.
c. The Army alone has cared for some 24,000 injured or ill soldiers during the same period, including a large number of combat-related amputees.  The need to retain and recruit doctors, nurses, and other healthcare providers and specialists is only expected to grow as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan grind on and as the military becomes more involved in the global war on terror.  The military medical research community also helps the nation prepare for broader health threats such as biological terrorism and the possible pandemics by researching and developing new vaccines for deadly toxins and conducting cutting-edge epidemiological studies.  (Contact â “ CFMLO)

 

[Roger]

I do not want to throw this subject in a other direction. But I know that many Canadian Reservists cannot go on tour because of their employment. I know that if I was to go on tour, I would lose my job. So if I want to go I have to really think about what my options are when I get back.

As far as training as a reservist the one thing the Regular force guy's never think about is when was the last time a committed reservist actually had a holiday, I bet the are a few who have been in 10 years, can say 10 years with no holiday's, worked every Tuesday or Wednesday night and committed a lot of weekends......

But also there are many intelligent young guy's in the Reserve's that are looking for work and cannot find a job, one thing the provincial and federal government can do is do what they did after WWII, is give priority to military or ex military members to government employment. All ex-military or existing military would be perfect as custom agents, prison guards just to name a few, look at all of the trades that could also get work in there related fields.

 

[geo]

Chop,
Wouldn't want everyone to transfer to civ service & quit their Res positions.
BUT
Starting in Jan 06, We'll be able to "compete" for Civ service job postings. Still, we'll have to meet the posting's qualifications & take an interview... still - a step in the right direction

 

[pbi]

I wanted to add something about hiring reservists in the US, I do not know of any current stories where an employee was fired or someone was not hired because of their affiliation with a reserve or NG unit.   Yes, I know there are exceptions, but they are few an far between.   I would ventur.e to guess that most employers consider it an honor to have one of their employees serve and would do everything in their power to ensure a smooth transition back to their job.   For the life of me, I can't see why someone would discriminate against a reservist, in fact in the US, most with skills are in high demand.   Not just for their military training skills, but also because most are self starters!   If I was a businessman those are the sort of employees I would want in my organization!

Well, I can't cite any individual cases either, but I offer three pieces of supporing (if somewhat circumstantial...) evidence that strongly suggest the problem does exist.

First, from a historical perspective. When I attended CF Staff School (a now defunct institution) in 1987, I wrote a paper on employer incentives versus job protection legislation for Reserves. I used mostly US sources for my   reseach work.What I found at that time was that the major cause of attrition for US Reserve personnel was conflicts with civ work or pressure from civ employers. The worst employers were identified as being small police depts and fire depts, which had to maintain a fixed level of service with limited manpower, and could not afford frequent or extended absences by Res.

A little more recently, when I was with 38 CBG, about three years ago, we received a briefing team from 34 ID, the USARNG Div we trained with. One point that was made during the briefing was that the average ARNG soldier was soon to be expected to make one year-long deployment every three-five years. This was as opposed to the "once per ARNG career" that was thought to be the norm. The briefer very specifically stated that they anticipated difficulties with civilian employers.

Finally, last year,(IIRC) the Chief of the US Army Reserve (I am sorry but I can't recall his name) announced publicy that he was very concerned about the effect that the increased op tempo would probably have upon the demographic of Res soldiers. Instead of the "solid citizen", he feared that the Res would be filled with the "chronically unemployable" or words to that effect.

So, IMHO where there has been some smoke for a while, there is probably fire. In any event, I didn't mean this post nor my earlier one to slag the ARNG or USAR in any way. The soldiers on activated duty are getting tons of excellent experience, including combat, which we are mostly not (yet). Our Res system would crumble very quickly under a similar strain (even were it to be proportionally reduced), and we lack much of the capacity and capabilities that the US has in its Army Res components.

All to say, though, that all Res forces have distinct limitations built into them, and if you rely too heavily on them you will have to accept not only those limitations but whatever second-order effects those limitations create.

Cheers

 

[muskrat89]

I wanted to add something about hiring reservists in the US, I do not know of any current stories where an employee was fired or someone was not hired because of their affiliation with a reserve or NG unit.  Yes, I know there are exceptions, but they are few an far between.  I would ventur.e to guess that most employers consider it an honor to have one of their employees serve and would do everything in their power to ensure a smooth transition back to their job.

Well, not to detract from what pbi just stated, but.....

I can tell you that I have lived and worked in the US for almost 15 years now. That includes several years in management. I have never seen, nor heard of, any type of discrimination against NG or Reserve troops. I have not seen/heard of it from my employers, nor have I heard of it from friends or aquaintances in the Guard. That includes in today's increased op tempos. When I am interviewing employees, being a reservist is a plus.

 

[Gunner]

I swore to myself that I would not post in this thread.  

Reserves are prohibited by DCDS direction from conducting ACP/ALEA or CCO training (and rightfully so).

Haggis, do you have any reference for this statement as DDDOs do not state this at all.

DDDO's state:

SECTION 6
NATIONAL DEFENCE ACT, PART XI - AID OF THE CIVIL POWER (ACP)
59. In Canada, the administration of justice is primarily vested in provincial authorities. However, Canadian provinces and territories may not maintain military forces and have no internal recourse for situations beyond the control of their law enforcement agencies. Therefore, each province and territory has the power, under the National Defence Act Part XI (ref N) to requisition the CDS to take action to restore the authority of the Civil Power, if the attorney general of that province or territory declares in writing that a disturbance of the peace is, or is likely to be, beyond the capability of its law enforcement agencies to deal with.
60. The CDS exercises sole discretion in determining the necessary CF response, but must act to restore the situation to a level within the capability of the civil power to discharge its responsibilities.
61. Members of the CF (when employed), in ACP will only act as members of military units under military command, and are individually liable to follow the orders of their superior officers. The CF does not replace the responsible law enforcement agencies. The CF will address the situation that is beyond the capacity of the law enforcement agencies using military organization, equipment and methods while the law enforcement agencies continue to discharge all duties within their mandate and powers. In responding to an ACP requisition, the CF will act to restore the situation to the control of the civil authorities as quickly as possible, and CDS will be notified by the provincial/territorial attorney general when this has been accomplished.
62. Deployment of the CF in ACP is the ultimate law enforcement action of a provincial/territorial government. Such use of the CF as a force of last resort should not occur until all other options have been exhausted, or have been judged insufficient. The CF may use all necessary legal force to restore the situation to normalcy. The very prospect of such a CF deployment should be seen as a powerful deterrent, and any commitment of personnel or resources must be deliberate and decisive.

Ok, so the CF won't train for Aide to the Civil Power nor Aide to a Lawful Authority.  

USE OF RESERVISTS
84. The CDS has directed (ref I) that in all cases where there is a risk of injury, reservists employed on domestic operations shall be on Class C reserve service. This is to ensure that all CF members serving side-by-side on a mission are equally entitled to compensation and benefits in the event of injury or death while employed on operational tasks.
85. No Reservist will be employed in a domestic operation without that member=s consent to serve. Reservists employed on Class C contracts who have consented to serve with regular force units may be employed on operations without the need for further consent. In all other cases, consent in writing must be given before employment.
86. Authority to employ individual reservists on domestic operations is delegated to the operational level commanders, operating from within their own resources. There is a critical legal distinction between the employment of individual Reservists who have volunteered for operational duty, and the deployment of Reserve units per se. The mustering and deployment of Reserve force units must be authorized by government and may only be ordered by the CDS.
87. The force generation agency which provides each Reservist is responsible for the suitability of reservists in terms of training standard to meet the anticipated operational requirement, his or her availability for the duration of the operation forecast, and supporting administration for his/her employment.

Ok, nothing prohibiting Reserves from doing Aide to the Civil Power here either.  The legal activation (ie bringing to active service) a reserve unit must be authorized by the government.

TRAINING FOR ROLES WHERE USE OF FORCE IS AUTHORIZED
92. CF units will deploy for domestic operations with their integral vehicles, equipment and weapons, recognizing that any restrictions placed on the use of particular capabilities (such as tracked or other armoured vehicles) will limit flexibility in unit selection for a particular operation, or affect the capability and/or increase the administrative impact on the unit selected. Instructions concerning the deployment and potential use of specific types of equipment or weaponry will be specified in each case by the CDS.
93. The CF will not develop any capability for which it does not have a mandate. Specifically, training for law enforcement duties such as crowd and riot control shall not be conducted. The CF will not acquire equipment (including ammunition) for specific use in the civil law enforcement context. This policy must not be confused with the fact that the CF possesses certain equipment which has been acquired for operational and training reasons. Such equipment may have application in CF assistance to law enforcement operations.
94. ECSs and other force generators are responsible for conducting use of force training for domestic operations as judged necessary and prudent to meet any anticipated need. Such training will be carried out with standard combat equipment and weapons, and with strict emphasis on the policy and legal limitations which apply to domestic operations.
95. The minimum training on use of force required before individuals are operationally ready for domestic operations where force might be used shall be in accordance with ref V. The requirement to conduct or confirm training in the use of force may increase preparation time, and this must be allowed for in planning. Commanders and subordinate officers will require a more detailed knowledge of the application of ref V, including the process for requesting rules of engagement, and the implications of the authorization or denial of various measures.

Still nothing about using Reserves in an aide to the civil power role.

I'm not trying to single you out Haggis, but I am unsure of where you are getting this DCDS prohibition from.  If you have any experience with Dom Ops, ALEA, etc you will know that they occur quickly and the military, as the force of last resort, must respond with adequate measures.  

LFWA support to Op GRIZZLY (2002 G8 Summit in Kananaskis) was an ALEA operation.  A full company of Reservists provided ALEA during the operation.  There was no special DCDS authority to do so.  They were trained to do the role and they did it in a similar fashion as any other sub-unit on the operation.

Unless you have some type of reference, I believe you are wrong.  Your CCO reference as it relates to the Reserves is also wrong.

 

[Haggis]

I swore to myself that I would not post in this thread.  

My apologies for causing you to do so.

Ok, so the CF won't train for Aide to the Civil Power nor Aide to a Lawful Authority.  

Ok, nothing prohibiting Reserves from doing Aide to the Civil Power here either.  The legal activation (ie bringing to active service) a reserve unit must be authorized by the government.

Still nothing about using Reserves in an aide to the civil power role.

I'm not trying to single you out Haggis, but I am unsure of where you are getting this DCDS prohibition from.  If you have any experience with Dom Ops, ALEA, etc you will know that they occur quickly and the military, as the force of last resort, must respond with adequate measures.

I don't feel singled out.  I feel "educated".  ;D

I do have ALEA and Dom Ops experience and I fully agree with you.  At the time I was posting from home and didn't have access to the references.  Although I do not have a soft copy, this goes back to Op ABACUS direction that Res units were NOT to be employed in ALEA or CCO, but only in HA and those types of ACP that supported Category "A" units (Reg F manouever units that could be employed in ALEA and CCO).  I'll admit, this is quite dated and your quotes from DDDO are current.

LFWA support to Op GRIZZLY (2002 G8 Summit in Kananaskis) was an ALEA operation.  A full company of Reservists provided ALEA during the operation.  There was no special DCDS authority to do so.  They were trained to do the role and they did it in a similar fashion as any other sub-unit on the operation.

They were also part of the 1PPCLI BG training for Op PALLADIUM Roto 11, correct?  They would have receievd the requisite training as part of their pre-deployment, been properly equipped and were quite capable of doing the job.  Similarly during Roto 13, the RCD BG's Reserve Infantry company was warned as part of LFCA's IRU (as every Reg F infantry company in Ontario had been stripped for Op ATHENA Roto 0) without any specific DCDS direction.

Unless you have some type of reference, I believe you are wrong.  Your CCO reference as it relates to the Reserves is also wrong.

My original post's point was that neither the Res F or the Reg F was mandated to maintain a domestic CCO capablilty.  I stand by that as DDDO also states:
"120. Crowd Confrontation Operations (CCO)

1. In Canada, crowd confrontation is strictly a law enforcement agency function and the CF will neither train for nor equip itself for such domestic duties without specific CDS direction.  Direction to conduct crowd confrontation training in preparation for a domestic operation must be specifically approved by the CDS and will only be authorized for operational and/or extraordinary reasons.

The point I wanted to make to GO!!! was exactly this, as well as to reiterate the disasterous effect that NST had on the Reserves in the 60's.