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Fitness for Operational Requirements of CAF Employment ( FORCE )

If anyone needs an exercise program to help them prepare for Basic Training, please send me a message and I will send you a program tailored to preparing yourself for the Fitness Test and PT in general during BMQ.

If anyone asks my credentials I am a certified Personal Trainer Specialist through Can-Fit-Pro and have the same certification through Goodlife Fitness, where I currently work as a personal trainer.

I ship out for my BMQ starting January 10th 2011. Anyone looking for help send me a message. My name's Nick!
 
Roughneck_JRico said:
If anyone needs an exercise program to help them prepare for Basic Training, please send me a message and I will send you a program tailored to preparing yourself for the Fitness Test and PT in general during BMQ.

If anyone asks my credentials I am a certified Personal Trainer Specialist through Can-Fit-Pro and have the same certification through Goodlife Fitness, where I currently work as a personal trainer.

I ship out for my BMQ starting January 10th 2011. Anyone looking for help send me a message. My name's Nick!


Could you post the program?
 
Nick,

Make sure you familiarize yourself with the specific EXPRES protocols (especially push-ups).

Latest version of CF EXPRES Ops Manual: http://canadianmilitaryandefence.blogspot.com/2010/09/canadian-forces-expres-operations.html

It's devastating when recruits train for the test with incorrect form, test out of their comfort zone for the test, and fail.
 
Something that helped me over a year ago was watching Youtube videos. You'd be amazed at the number of videos on there showing correct form on push-ups and how-to's on everything to do with qualifying.

Everyone is essentially an expert if they're fit, but truth is there's a gazillion different ways to get fit. Just whichever one works the best for you.

Having great nutrition and proper protein and supplements to prevent loss of muscle mass from training should be your top priority - especially for those who need to lose the fat and gain muscle. It's difficult to do, but you really can lose the fat and maintain or improve muscle mass at the same time. Just have to have the necessary protein with minimal fats (and only the good fats) in your system.  I know this is about the PT test, but a lot of people don't realize that the reason why they're small despite even working out like crazy could be that their body is already absorbing all the protein. If there's no protein left - your body takes it from your muscles ... thus, you remain a stick.    (First hand life experience)  I'm 6'1 and 195 lbs now, prior to eating smart and using protein supplements (7 years ago) I was 145 lb stick-man, lol.
Believe it or not I worked out more then than I do now! 

The reason I mention the latter is that sometimes because of a lack of strength we make ourselves cheat the exercise a bit - thus resulting in doing things on the PT test incorrectly. Get on google/youtube and make your own exercise/nutrition plan and you'll have no trouble with the PT test.
For core work you can run a google search for Marine ab workout (it's killah!)

 
Vimy_gunner said:
Having great nutrition and proper protein and supplements to prevent loss of muscle mass from training should be your top priority - especially for those who need to lose the fat and gain muscle.

If you caloric intake is where it should be, you don't need supplements to prevent loss of muscle mass. The second part makes no sense because you cannot lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, unless you are either severely obese and/or a complete beginner at strength training. Even then, this won't occur for very long.

Vimy_gunner said:
It's difficult to do, but you really can lose the fat and maintain or improve muscle mass at the same time. Just have to have the necessary protein with minimal fats (and only the good fats) in your system.

No, you can't. Period. In almost all scenarios, and especially if you are physically active at all, you will not be able to lose fat and build muscle at the same time.

Calories in > calories out = gain weight (muscle + fat)
Calories out > calories in = lose weight (muscle + fat)

Weight gain/loss is dependent on the calorie equations above, not protein intake.

For the second equation, yes, keeping your protein intake high along with weight training will aid in minimizing/reducing the amount of muscle tissue lost, but if you are losing weight, you ARE losing muscle mass.

Of course, the exception to this rule would be if you were using AAS (steroids). Sure, you can gain muscle and reduce your body fat percentage... if you're running Trenbolone acetate.

Vimy_gunner said:
I know this is about the PT test, but a lot of people don't realize that the reason why they're small despite even working out like crazy could be that their body is already absorbing all the protein. If there's no protein left - your body takes it from your muscles ... thus, you remain a stick.    (First hand life experience)  I'm 6'1 and 195 lbs now, prior to eating smart and using protein supplements (7 years ago) I was 145 lb stick-man, lol.
Believe it or not I worked out more then than I do now! 

The reason people who lift weights all the time are still small is simple: They don't eat enough. It has nothing to do with protein.

The following exchange pops up on the internet too many times to count:

"Omg I've been lifting weights for six months, but I'm not getting bigger. Why?"
"You're not eating enough."
"No. I eat SOOOO much."
"Well, obviously not, or you'd be getting bigger/gaining weight. Pretty simple."

"If there's no protein left - your body takes it from your muscles ... thus, you remain a stick."

That's just flat out incorrect. Could you provide some scientific evidence for that? Probably not, because protein doesn't even get stored in your muscles, so there'd be none there for your body to "take". You remained a stick because you weren't eating enough. It took you seven years to go from 145-195 lbs and you're "crediting" it to protein supplements? If it took you the full seven years to gain that weight, that's a gain of 0.59 lbs of weight per month.

I can only speak for myself, but I went from ~178-205 lbs in about five months (Sept '09 - Jan '10). I stopped "trying" to gain weight at about that point, but settled at around 210 lbs by June-ish and am there currently at 5'10.

Protein supplements are just that: Supplements. Not a be-all, end-all. It's just powdered food. When possible, I'd rather eat a handful of almonds than have a protein shake.
 
Well, I'm a Kinesiology major and  I'm learning from my prof who has a doctorate in exercise science and nutrition.  My textbook is full of evidence saying what you eat matters more than just eating your calorie requirement.

Very few people eat enough protein sources to keep muscle mass. If you eat too many carbs instead of more protein, your body turns some of those carbs into fat or it becomes empty calories as your body can only store a minimal amount of ATP (energy sources) within your body. Thus the reason why most people gain fat with muscle. If you reduce carb intake and increase proteins (as bodybuilders do) you can minimize the process of requiring to put on fat before turning it into muscle. With slow and very precise eating/exercise plan you can slowly buildup the size and muscle while keeping definition or the lack of a tire tube, lol.
Eating Carbs produce ATP moles (bodies main energy source) that come out in the form of instant energy in the forms of glycolysis and phosphate creatine cells. If the energy from carbs is not used within a short period of time it turns into fat or becomes empty calories as I stated above. There's also a limit to the amount of ATP which can be stored in your body as reserves. You might be surprised to learn that protein rich ATP sources retained from eating proteins can remain in storage within the bodies energy systems in higher quantity and be pumped out to your muscles (so to speak) when they're needed.

Reducing fat intake to an absolute minimum daily requirement (about 65 calories for the avg person) along with proper protein in the diet and carbs enough to just get through your workouts and daily activities will result in minimal muscle loss ( if any) and the loss of fat if there's any to burn. It's not a common method for trainers to tell most people because it requires the strictest diet and training regiment. In other words, going out for fast food once in a week can destroy this method. This is an eating perfect method only. No coke, no juice, no beer, no starch and not even a few pretzels. Not even dairy products. Oh and eating food rich in fibre.  If you eat lots of fibre you can safely reduce your fat intake.

You're right, protein isn't stored in the muscles, but after working out and your muscles are tired your brain asks for more ATP to be produced from protein rich foods to be sent to those muscles. I could go into more science of why protein does matter, but takes a crazy amount of time to learn yourself, let along trying to tell someone else.

Whey protein along with glutamine help repair muscle tissue and amino acids accelerate the process of energy and protein throughout the body by meeting with ATP inside the mitochondria and being transported by the body through the Krebs cycle. I'm guessing you haven't got a clue what I just said and that's why I won't go into further scientific analysis.

I'm not obese in the least and in the last four weeks I upped my nutrition to my perfect diet (carb/protein/fat percentages)  resulting in the loss of 7 lbs of body-fat, while putting on approx 5 more lbs muscle in the same time-frame. 

Just a correction, but it didn't take 7 years to put on the weight and muscle I mentioned - it took about 7/8 months of eating the perfect percentages and working out like crazy. This was five years ago that I did it. So, very minimal change since then. I'm now back on that perfect diet plan. Actually I ate considerably more food prior to this! Eating has NEVER been an issue and usually when others are sitting at the dinner table with white space left on their plates, mine would be overflowing. The difference was that back then I ate a lot more carbs.

And I'm talking about taking protein supplements (in addition) to regular good proteins such as almonds. Wasn't recommending anyone should supplement a meal with these supplements, but they certainly help (in addition) to eating protein rich natural foods. Although you're intaking an awful lot of fat eating those which could explain why you may have had issues with gaining muscles and fat at the same time. Considering how many almonds you'd have to eat instead of a protein shake, I can understand why you might have had issues doing both at the same time. Almonds are great source for reducing bad cholesterol and upping the good cholesterol, but in order to intake 30 g of protein from almonds 2-4 times a day, you'd have to intake a hell of a lot of fat from those almonds, resulting in fat buildup. Eating more protein in your diet and eliminating unnecessary fats would have helped do both at the same time.  Less than a handful of almonds a day results in more fat calories than your body needs daily as a minimal requirement. If you're using it to fulfill protein requirements instead of a shake, it's going to result in fat buildup and unneeded calories.

To say that what types and percentage of your calorie intake doesn't matter is just not true.
Just take this for example, if you ate 100% of your daily caloric requirement in fatty foods, you'd be a walking blimp in no time and have serious issues with health besides the weight.
If you ate 100% of calories required in only carbs, your insulin lvls would jump through the roof and you'd end up as a blimp once again.
I exaggerated the affects of eating fat and carbs in the above sentences to show that it does matter what calories you put in your body.

Again, I will go further into the science of it if you like, but it's very time consuming, lol.
 
Vimy_gunner said:

Are you sure about that? The evidence I have obtained through experiment and observation (application of studies  :o oh no!); I dropped from 163 lbs to 126 lbs in 7 weeks. This was at Vernon Army Cadet Summer Training Centre in 2009. I walked everywhere, I jogged in the mornings to work on my cardio, I did unreal amounts of chin-ups and push-ups each time I entered and exited a building (which was numerous); all the while it's +40 degrees Celsius outside so I'm sweating like a pig in my OG107s as I'm doing all this.

I lost A LOT of mass, and even though I was still eating like a friggin pig in the mess hall - and was sometimes eating 2 or 3 IMPs per mealtime (Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner) because I was so damn hungry and needed the energy (spent most of my 7 weeks in the Field Training Area). I never gained any of my weight back, and I ate EVERYTHING! Proper nutrition and diet control, what's that!? Yeah, I was getting in my fruits and vegetables and fulfilling all my daily nutritional requirements, but I also ate all kinds of greasy fried junk on top of it all - in massive quantities too! I'm surprised the Panago Pizza in Vernon didn't have my name down as "Most Valuable Customer"! (or a doctor diagnose me with diabetes... or high cholesterol/blood pressure )

"Your frame and weight did not alter, how so?"

Simple as this:

I was burning more calories than what was coming in through my disgustingly large amounts of food during meal times.

You don't need to be a scientist to figure that one out, you just need to do it.
 
Vimy_gunner said:
Well, I'm a Kinesiology major and  I'm learning from my prof who has a doctorate in exercise science and nutrition.  My textbook is full of evidence saying what you eat matters more than just eating your calorie requirement.

Very few people eat enough protein sources to keep muscle mass. If you eat too many carbs instead of more protein, your body turns some of those carbs into fat or it becomes empty calories as your body can only store a minimal amount of ATP (energy sources) within your body. Thus the reason why most people gain fat with muscle. If you reduce carb intake and increase proteins (as bodybuilders do) you can minimize the process of requiring to put on fat before turning it into muscle. With slow and very precise eating/exercise plan you can slowly buildup the size and muscle while keeping definition or the lack of a tire tube, lol.

You are never going to gain 100% muscle. No matter what, if you are putting on weight, some of it will be fat. Your body is not perfect. You minimize the gain of fat by eating closer to your caloric maintenance. Also, I really hope you are not saying that you can turn fat into muscle.


Eating Carbs produce ATP moles (bodies main energy source) that come out in the form of instant energy in the forms of glycolysis and phosphate creatine cells. If the energy from carbs is not used within a short period of time it turns into fat or becomes empty calories as I stated above. There's also a limit to the amount of ATP which can be stored in your body as reserves. You might be surprised to learn that protein rich ATP sources retained from eating proteins can remain in storage within the bodies energy systems in higher quantity and be pumped out to your muscles (so to speak) when they're needed.

Reducing fat intake to an absolute minimum daily requirement (about 65 calories for the avg person) along with proper protein in the diet and carbs enough to just get through your workouts and daily activities will result in minimal muscle loss ( if any) and the loss of fat if there's any to burn. It's not a common method for trainers to tell most people because it requires the strictest diet and training regiment. In other words, going out for fast food once in a week can destroy this method. This is an eating perfect method only. No coke, no juice, no beer, no starch and not even a few pretzels. Not even dairy products. Oh and eating food rich in fibre.  If you eat lots of fibre you can safely reduce your fat intake.

If you are concerned with athletic/physical performance, why would you ever eat like this? There's absolutely nothing wrong with eating animal fats.

You're right, protein isn't stored in the muscles, but after working out and your muscles are tired your brain asks for more ATP to be produced from protein rich foods to be sent to those muscles. I could go into more science of why protein does matter, but takes a crazy amount of time to learn yourself, let along trying to tell someone else.

Whey protein along with glutamine help repair muscle tissue and amino acids accelerate the process of energy and protein throughout the body by meeting with ATP inside the mitochondria and being transported by the body through the Krebs cycle. I'm guessing you haven't got a clue what I just said and that's why I won't go into further scientific analysis.

I am a first year Kinesiology student, but no, you're right, I don't really know what much of that means.

I'm not obese in the least and in the last four weeks I upped my nutrition to my perfect diet (carb/protein/fat percentages)  resulting in the loss of 7 lbs of body-fat, while putting on approx 5 more lbs muscle in the same time-frame.

You just lost every shred credibility by trying to say you lost 7 lbs of body fat and gained 5 lbs of muscle in the same time frame. That's absolutely laughable, since it's literally impossible.

Do I need to provide scientific evidence for that? Two quotes from an extensive review by Hartgens and Kuiper:

Most studies show that bodyweight may increase by 2–5kg as a result of short-term (<10 weeks) AAS use.

The greatest drug-enhanced gains seen in the scientific literature are 7 kg (15.4 lbs) in 6 weeks, or about 2.5 lbs per week.

And yet you're claiming to have lost seven pounds of fat and gained 5 pounds of muscle in the same time period? So you simultaneously lost seven pounds and gained five pounds?

Beside the above being physically impossible, do you actually know how long it takes to naturally gain 5 lbs of lean body mass? An extremely long time.

Losing weight requires a caloric deficit.

Gaining weight requires a caloric surplus.

How can you possibly do both at the same time? How can you not understand that simple law being in Kinesiology?

Just a correction, but it didn't take 7 years to put on the weight and muscle I mentioned - it took about 7/8 months of eating the perfect percentages and working out like crazy. This was five years ago that I did it. So, very minimal change since then. I'm now back on that perfect diet plan. Actually I ate considerably more food prior to this! Eating has NEVER been an issue and usually when others are sitting at the dinner table with white space left on their plates, mine would be overflowing. The difference was that back then I ate a lot more carbs.

And I'm talking about taking protein supplements (in addition) to regular good proteins such as almonds. Wasn't recommending anyone should supplement a meal with these supplements, but they certainly help (in addition) to eating protein rich natural foods. Although you're intaking an awful lot of fat eating those which could explain why you may have had issues with gaining muscles and fat at the same time. Considering how many almonds you'd have to eat instead of a protein shake, I can understand why you might have had issues doing both at the same time. Almonds are great source for reducing bad cholesterol and upping the good cholesterol, but in order to intake 30 g of protein from almonds 2-4 times a day, you'd have to intake a hell of a lot of fat from those almonds, resulting in fat buildup. Eating more protein in your diet and eliminating unnecessary fats would have helped do both at the same time.  Less than a handful of almonds a day results in more fat calories than your body needs daily as a minimal requirement. If you're using it to fulfill protein requirements instead of a shake, it's going to result in fat buildup and unneeded calories.

I didn't and don't have any "issues" with fat gain, because I don't desire to look like the recent trend of manorexic Hollywood actors. Do you really think the fat from almonds is bad fat? Almonds are very healthy and I eat a ton of them. I still don't think you realise that you can't gain body weight without gaining fat. Your body fat percentage may remain relatively stable, but you are going to gain fat.

Eating fat does not = gaining fat........ Eating too many calories = getting fat.

Please define unneeded calories for me. That entirely depends on your goals.

To say that what types and percentage of your calorie intake doesn't matter is just not true.
Just take this for example, if you ate 100% of your daily caloric requirement in fatty foods, you'd be a walking blimp in no time and have serious issues with health besides the weight.
If you ate 100% of calories required in only carbs, your insulin lvls would jump through the roof and you'd end up as a blimp once again.
I exaggerated the affects of eating fat and carbs in the above sentences to show that it does matter what calories you put in your body.

Ratios might matter if you're into "getting ripped bro" and training for looks.

I don't really have that problem, since I eat and lift for strength. I don't sit down, count calories and figure out my macro ratio, though.

If you are active and eating a mostly healthy diet, there's no reason for you to be counting ratios.

Again, I will go further into the science of it if you like, but it's very time consuming, lol.

After reading this post, I don't know if you should.

It honestly really worries me that you are in kinesiology and can spit out all that scientific jargon, yet not understand the fundamentals. It doesn't matter who your prof is or what kind of piece of paper they have framed on their wall.

I don't know what your goals are for training, but mine are purely performance based. I eat and train to get bigger and stronger. I have never counted calories, nor will I ever. I eat healthy and I eat a lot. Am I "ripped"? Nope. Am I fat? Nope. But I'll carry a little extra weight if it means I can perform better. It's funny when really skinny guys say they're "ripped". No, lol, you're just malnourished and you're very weak. If I ever want to lose weight, I'll cut out any junk food and eat the exact same foods, except less of them. If I want to gain weight, I will eat the same foods, but more of them. The beauty is that it really is that simple.

My diet mainly consists of oatmeal, yogurt, fish, meat, eggs, almonds, veggies, fruit and, most days, I drink around 2L of homogenized milk. Some days, I'll drink 1L of chocolate milk on top. Donuts, hamburgers, pop, candy and Doritos all make occasional, but rare guest appearances.

At 5'9-10, 210 lbs, I am still small. At 6'1, 195, you are quite skinny.
 
I won't argue with you further.  Much like all scientific case studies, there's always other studies that will show different results. I really did tell the truth about muscle gain and fat loss. Don't care much for your credibility or what 'one' scientific study says. I'm living proof of it, but truth is you would have had to be here for this entire month and walked in my shoes for the entire time for me to prove it, so it's impossible for me to do so.

For the record, my athletic performance has remained the same. I'm on my university soccer and swim team and if you come to the CIS swim champions in Vancouver in January, I'll be happy to show you that my performance hasn't had any issues. Too much fat is not good for you, regardless of whether it's animal fats or not. For the record I eat around a 10 per cent fat, 55% carb and 35% protein diet that's high in fibre and containing no dairy. I eat nuts (sometimes) in small quantities to replace the energy metabolism that comes from dairy.

You don't lose fat and gain muscle at the same time. You break it up into periodic moments in training. First week low calorie diet using the above carb/fat/protein ratio and you combine it with loads of aerobic/anaerobic exercise to burn calories. 2nd week you do the complete opposite, load up calories and hit the weights to build strength. I don't go for pure strength btw, I work on muscular endurance and size (being a huge guy) matters not to me.
By switching it up every week you're also changing things up on your metabolism bigtime and shocking it. What's the best way to get over strength plateau? You make your muscles forget what you were lifting, so during that week when I'm just doing cardio type stuff, muscles forget. If you workout at cardio and eat low calories, you can burn a lot of fat in a week!
Then the second week hits and you're plowing through the pasta, your body is a bit shocked by the sudden increase in food along with super heavy weights suddenly being applied to your muscles. You do almost nothing cardio during this week and the result is gaining a couple lbs of LBM.  It may also help that I'm the body type that loses fat extremely fast and gains muscle the same way.

I didn't mean to imply that you were a knes student and retarded, but most people if you rambled on about that stuff would be lost in space.

And I didn't necessarily mean to imply animal fats being bad, but for my technique of gaining muscle and losing fat, it's not good to have much of it. Now maybe it's the case that my body.

And just to put it straight, I was going beyond calorie deficit to explain how fat is lost and gained. Fact remains if you eat 1500 calories filled with carbs or fat and your daily requirement is say 1800, you're just going to end up putting on the fat.
If you ate 1800 calories by going to MacDonalds three times a day and met your daily requirements, you'd still get fat. It does matter what you eat more than the calories. Because being a Knes student you know that Fat is more than double the Kcal/g of protein and carbs.

Oh-yeah and the only animal fats I eat come in low amounts from Bison meat. It's rich in protein with hardly any fat. That and it's the only mammal never to get cancer and a staple of the plains indians diets who lived to 95 (if they weren't killed in the process) and would have lived to 115 with proper dental care. This was twice the life expectancy of the times. Most white dudes died before their 50th.
It's been scientifically proven that the hunter/gatherer diet is the best and is the one God made for us. If you can't hunt it or gather it, don't eat it.
Believe it or not some of the best athletic performances are coming from vegetarians or should I say 'vegans'.  I'm not there, but I'm a cheating vegan. Ie: I eat buffalo meat. Google the results of veggie athletes and you'd be surprised how many of them stay away from animal fats and are setting world records in their sports. Btw, until recently I was with you on this one, but my sister showed me some examples of what athletes are doing on these diets and it's amazing. There's just not a lot of them, so the words not out yet. Plus, it's a tough thing to give up your meat products, especially for most dudes, lol. Buffalo meat is also rich in natural nutrients and vitamins.

Again, I spoke the truth about my results, but only I and God will know if I'm telling the truth, so I'll just leave it at that.
Good luck in the future soldier!


 
Alright, stick to your guns on claiming to have done something physically impossible. I was going to type a response, but there's no point.

You should really take that plan to market, though, because you'd be a billionaire in short order.

You use God as justification for some of the things you said, which is normally not a great sign in a discussion, because how can anyone disprove or go against God...

 
Kratos said:
True. Given the point I was trying to illustrate, I didn't word that very well at all. Essentially, what I was trying to get across is that I would imagine a relatively active, 150 lb guy is most likely going to have an easier time hitting 20 push ups than a relatively active 215 lb guy, assuming they start from the same point.

Probably far too many other variables for that to ever hold true, though.

Wow someone else who thinks this too. I can't beleive my eyes. I don't know how many times I have tried preaching to people that push up count is a ridiculous system due to the weight differences in people.

P.S. I know your not interested in the military anymore but when I did BMQ it was WAY more cardio than physical strength exercises which, was disappointing to a lot of us. Took me a while to get back to my muscular strength after BMQ and SQ.


Also, I am 6'2" 220 pounds now.
 
SevenSixTwo said:
P.S. I know your not in the military anymore but when I did BMQ it was WAY more cardio than physical strength exercises which, was disappointing to a lot of us. Took me a while to get back to my muscular strength after BMQ and SQ.

Just to be clear: I never was.
 
Vimy_gunner said:
Believe it or not some of the best athletic performances are coming from vegetarians or should I say 'vegans'.  I'm not there, but I'm a cheating vegan. Ie: I eat buffalo meat. Google the results of veggie athletes and you'd be surprised how many of them stay away from animal fats and are setting world records in their sports.

How would they do so well if creatine only exists in meat? Does that mean they take creatine supplements as a vegan?

Sorry if I am incorrect about creatine it's just that I am against the whole vegan thing.


To Kratos: Sorry I said what I wanted to convey improperly. What I meant to say is "I know your not interested in the military anymore".
 
Regardless of diet, if you eat 1500 calories of anything but your requirement in 1800, so basically you're burning off that 1500 plus whatever extra your body has stored somewhere to give that last bit of energy; you're not going to "get fat/gain fat" because you're burning it off.

Oh man... I'm not going to bother anymore; I'm starving. I'm going to go have some delicious POUTINE  ;D
 
Why, oh why does the "PT test rules" thread always get derailed?

Mods, me thinks a split is in order..........again.  ;)
 
-Skeletor- said:
I'd be shocked if people trying to join the Military can't pass those weak standards... but than again I'm surprised people fail the Express Test.

If there is one thing in the CF that drives me crazy, its attitudes like that one. I agree those standards are pretty low, but the average Joe or Jane Canada who works in the office or goes to school, probably don't make push ups a priority.

Anybody going to BMQ will have to learn to make push ups a priority in your life, and there are people who will try to put you down because you have trouble. Just remember that person has been in so long, that they have probably forgotten what life outside the CF was like.


Don't mean to offend anyone, but arrogance in the CF really grinds my gears.
 
Cat said:
New rule change...now it's 2 pushups for females to remain on a platoon and 4 or 5 for males to remain on a platoon

*twitch* I love my job :D

I am curious if you know what stage you must be at for the shuttle run for the first week of basic? I did a practice shuttle run yesterday and I only managed stage 3. I leave in under 2 weeks, and I am freaking out!!! I am hoping that maybe you do not have to reach the requirement like you don't have to for the other parts of the Express test on the first week? Any info would really help!
 
If you are female and 34 years old and under, you must reach level 4.  If 35 or over, Level 3.
 
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