I'll believe it when I see it.
We might. I have no idea.Would we not want more ssk's? Less crew and long term less maintenance cost I thought?
Sub maintenance is like taking surface ship maintenance, adding a zero or two to the cost, and then exponentially increasing the time to do the work. It's like going from doing a home reno in a full room to trying and do the same work in a tight crawl space, with a much stricter QC and document requirement for the crawl space stuff. The oversight process is like air worthiness on steroids, and I say that with familiarity with both.Would we not want more ssk's? Less crew and long term less maintenance cost I thought?
At some point, the quantity of usable units (of whatever) has to have a minimum below which it is pointless having anything. Either the minimum is zero, or it isn't. If it isn't, then that amount is a hard floor. If we are struggling to meet commitments and maintain credibility, we're most likely below the hard floor and have to stop reducing.
Except, as a rich country that depends on international trade we can't skip out on commitments.If I am struggling to meet commitments then I need to reduce my commitments. I may even have to sell off and move and start again.
Except, as a rich country that depends on international trade we can't skip out on commitments.
If we can't be bothered to do our part to ensure the "rules based international order" is defended, why should we be allowed to profit from it so greatly?
This is the messaging that the GoC has failed to pass on to Canadians, and because they don't want to be responsible. They prefer to have more play money for their re-election vote buying, rather than telling Canadian voters hard truths.
Yet here we are planning on 15 x CSCs to replace 12 x CPF, up to 12 x SSKs to replace 4 x Victorias, 2 x JSS coming, an eventual 6 x AOPS and 12 x MCDV's (and their eventual replacements).But it could just mean scaling down to what we can actually support, so for the Navy example I think we could chop down to 8 frigates now, which is still probably more than we can actually crew and do the maintenance/repairs on, but 12 is a pipe dream.
I think at some point we have to come to the realization that a way has to be found to realistically match manning to capabilities and that is likely going to require much more radical changes to the way we think about how we meet our minimum capability requirements. Continuing down the same path is the sure route to failure.At some point, the quantity of usable units (of whatever) has to have a minimum below which it is pointless having anything. Either the minimum is zero, or it isn't. If it isn't, then that amount is a hard floor. If we are struggling to meet commitments and maintain credibility, we're most likely below the hard floor and have to stop reducing.
The fact we won't see the last one till the 2040 is embarrassing , the halifax's will be held with duct tape by thenThe 12 SSK's is a pipe dream to me. Hard to take some of those numbers seriously when they are thrown out like taha. There are too many competing needs. As for the 15 CSC's, it wouldnt surprise me if they end up being 12. Its going to be close to 10 yrs before we see the first one so lots of time for things to change. The last batch will coul be the start of new ship/class and slow rolled out in a continuous build cycle as intended
Maybe we can recycle the speed tape holding the 41-year old CF-18s together?The fact we won't see the last one till the 2040 is embarrassing , the halifax's will be held with duct tape by then
I question that, as it really depends on how quick Irving can get up to speed. BAE slow rolled the 26 out in the UK and Irving should be able to benefit from their and Australias work plus coming off a hot run of AOPS. But even if it was a 6 yr build on the first and delivering a new one every year afterThe fact we won't see the last one till the 2040 is embarrassing , the halifax's will be held with duct tape by then
We will need to convene a committee to examine the report about the last comittees report.With Billy Blair at the helm you can count on him not reading his briefing papers. Therefore nothing will happen except more studies and papers which he won't read.
Lather, rinse, repeat until that pension kicks in....
what it sort of implies to me is a continuous build cycle. We won't ever hit 12 or 15 but there is the potential for a continuous supply rather than build and bustThe 12 SSK's is a pipe dream to me. Hard to take some of those numbers seriously when they are thrown out like taha. There are too many competing needs. As for the 15 CSC's, it wouldnt surprise me if they end up being 12. Its going to be close to 10 yrs before we see the first one so lots of time for things to change. The last batch will coul be the start of new ship/class and slow rolled out in a continuous build cycle as intended
As a Canadian and Retired Military, this is Fucking embarrassing!!A well deserved spanking
![]()
U.S. Senator roasts Trudeau, Canada over ‘feeble’ commitment to NORAD: ‘At the kids table’ | Watch News Videos Online
Watch U.S. Senator roasts Trudeau, Canada over ‘feeble’ commitment to NORAD: ‘At the kids table’ Video Online, on GlobalNews.caglobalnews.ca
As a Canadian and Retired Military, this is Fucking embarrassing!!
No he is not, and that's the sad part....my grandkids are totally.....Fuc*** because of this country's total fail, to actually give a fuc* about the future including Defense, the US at some point will take Canada's resources, so China doesn't get it! Economy is in the toilet with all the Liberal projects, housing / inflation shitshow, this Current government does not give a shit whatsoever!! How many damn NATO countries have to say we are a freeloader!! We have the resources to unfuck this, but won't happen because Greta Says so!! My 2 cents!Trudeau's not embarrassed.
Couldn't have said it better.No he is not, and that's the sad part....my grandkids are totally.....Fuc*** because of this country's total fail, to actually give a fuc* about the future including Defense, the US at some point will take Canada's resources, so China doesn't get it! Economy is in the toilet with all the Liberal projects, housing / inflation shitshow, this Current government does not give a shit whatsoever!! How many damn NATO countries have to say we are a freeloader!! We have the resources to unfuck this, but won't happen because Greta Says so!! My 2 cents!
Lol, factoring inflation I stand corrected, my 2 loonies worth!You can't give your 2 cents as Canada doesn't have pennies. You're going to have to give your 5 cents worth.![]()