Justin Trudeau hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Fabius]

PM Trudeau 'surprised' provinces unanimous on accelerated defence spending: Ford

Ontario Premier Doug Ford says his fellow provincial leaders are united in pushing for Canada to meet its NATO defence spending targets ahead of schedule, and that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was "surprised" to hear it.

www.ctvnews.ca

I think the Premiers have realized that not spending 2% of GDP on defence is now a net liability that is threatening our economy due to the US and to a lesser degree Europe looking at everything through a security lens.

 

[dapaterson]

PM Trudeau 'surprised' provinces unanimous on accelerated defence spending: Ford

Ontario Premier Doug Ford says his fellow provincial leaders are united in pushing for Canada to meet its NATO defence spending targets ahead of schedule, and that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau was "surprised" to hear it.

www.ctvnews.ca

I think the Premiers have realized that not spending 2% of GDP on defence is now a net liability that is threatening our economy due to the US and to a lesser degree Europe looking at everything through a security lens.

Most also realize that it's a great opportunity for pork barrelling for favoured providers. aka ISI, IMP, GDLS...

 

[JLB50]

I wonder if the Feds are taking notice of the Royal Navy’s recently announced plans to retire and/or sell off several of its ships, including HSS Bulwark and Albion. I understand those ships are pretty long in the tooth. Could they be refurbished without too much fuss or would it end up being another Victoria-class fiasco?

 

[dapaterson]

I wonder if the Feds are taking notice of the Royal Navy’s recently announced plans to retire and/or sell off several of its ships, including HSS Bulwark and Albion. I understand those ships are pretty long in the tooth. Could they be refurbished without too much fuss or would it end up being another Victoria-class fiasco?

The RCN already has too many warships with excessive costs to refurbish. No need to import more.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I wonder if the Feds are taking notice of the Royal Navy’s recently announced plans to retire and/or sell off several of its ships, including HSS Bulwark and Albion. I understand those ships are pretty long in the tooth. Could they be refurbished without too much fuss or would it end up being another Victoria-class fiasco?

You be better off leasing the Wave Class tankers, laying up a couple of the CFP's and provide the USN with tanker support till the RN needs them back or the enough River Class are commissioned.

 

[McG]

Does every discussion board have a cadre who religiously believe in buying falling-down money pits as the path to achieving adequacy at low cost?

 

[daftandbarmy]

Does every discussion board have a cadre who religiously believe in buying falling-down money pits as the path to achieving adequacy at low cost?

Isn't that the CAF's longer term Plan A?

e.g.,

Integrating Australian Jets into the Current Royal Canadian Air Force Fighter Fleet - Canada.ca

Canada recently announced its decision to purchase Australian F-18 aircraft to supplement the current fleet of fighter aircraft. These aircraft are of similar age and design to Canada’s CF-18 fleet and can be integrated quickly with minimal modifications, training and infrastructure changes.

www.canada.ca

 

[dimsum]

Most also realize that it's a great opportunity for pork barrelling for favoured providers. aka ISI, IMP, GDLS...

Yep. Cue the Canadian Business Council (or whatever they’re called) also calling on further defence spending “to support national sovereignty”

 

[FJAG]

Most also realize that it's a great opportunity for pork barrelling for favoured providers. aka ISI, IMP, GDLS...

It's not pork barrelling when you develop and fund the necessary industry to create and maintain a viable security force.

It's long overdue progress.

My concern is more in the nature of DND turning vital defence dollars into yet more PYs and civil servants in cubicles in Ottawa rather than hard steel. Now that's pork barrelling.

 

[ueo]

I wonder if the Feds are taking notice of the Royal Navy’s recently announced plans to retire and/or sell off several of its ships, including HSS Bulwark and Albion. I understand those ships are pretty long in the tooth. Could they be refurbished without too much fuss or would it end up being another Victoria-class fiasco?

the latter

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Does every discussion board have a cadre who religiously believe in buying falling-down money pits as the path to achieving adequacy at low cost?

To be fair, there is a very good chance that a significant number of the CFP's will fail and be out of service for years, by the time the their River Class replacement are commissioned and is serviceable.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Does every discussion board have a cadre who religiously believe in buying falling-down money pits as the path to achieving adequacy at low cost?

I wonder if running a tanker would be more beneficial (to them as a direct benefit and us politically) to our main ally than a clapped out CFP?

 

[Maxman1]

To be fair, there is a very good chance that a significant number of the CFP's will fail and be out of service for years, by the time the their River Class replacement are commissioned and is serviceable.

We have two JSS that should be coming online by then.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

We have two JSS that should be coming online by then.

True, that will just fill our needs. Another option is also buy Astreix, put it through a refit and improvements and by then with the CPF not sailing, you might be able to crew it fully with RCN types. While building a proper RCFA to run them in the future.

 

[KevinB]

True, that will just fill our needs. Another option is also buy Astreix, put it through a refit and improvements and by then with the CPF not sailing, you might be able to crew it fully with RCN types. While building a proper RCFA to run them in the future.

Or let go of Asterix, and buy two - three more JSS.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Or let go of Asterix, and buy two - three more JSS.

Seaspan is going to be busy replacing CCG Icebreaker/buoytenders. As much as I would like us to have 4 of the same type of JSS, I doubt it will happen.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Seaspan is going to be busy replacing CCG Icebreaker/buoytenders. As much as I would like us to have 4 of the same type of JSS, I doubt it will happen.

Of course... it's the military so why would we want to standardize anything like that

 

[YZT580]

Seaspan is going to be busy replacing CCG Icebreaker/buoytenders. As much as I would like us to have 4 of the same type of JSS, I doubt it will happen.

why not? Seaspan could easily contract the buoy tenders to a smaller yard, take a small profit from each and build two more JSS. The smaller coast guard vessels don't require any fancy cranes and large construction spaces

 

[dapaterson]

why not? Seaspan could easily contract the buoy tenders to a smaller yard, take a small profit from each and build two more JSS. The smaller coast guard vessels don't require any fancy cranes and large construction spaces

I suspect we're time past for a non zero number of long lead items for hypothetical JSS 3 and 4 and 5... so even a decision today would mean they would not have the desired commonality.

 

[Maxman1]

And I doubt they would complain about more guaranteed work.