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LCIS227 Info

Hi, first off, just want to let you know, I took an electronic course in 97-99 and it's fairly math oriented (formula, binary, etc)..  As long as you can do 5a+2b=6c, you'll be ok!  ::) Again, I DIDN'T do POET, just an electronic course, but I guess it's fairly the same thing..  Electronic for the army or for the civilian world stay electronics....

2nd thing is, I made a little document for myself of what people replied to some of my and other's posts. If it doesn't help you, maybe it will help someone else!  ;)

LCIS tech (Land Communications and Information Systems) tech - we repair / maintain any communications equipment that the army uses, including radios (tactical and commercial), telephone systems (phones, switches, indoor wiring), radar, satellite equipment (dishes, receivers, transmitters), computers and network systems (switches, routers, wiring, PC's, laptops) and cyrptographic equipment. Working evironment can vary - as a new tech, you can be expected to be posted to a brigade, where the work will be done in a shop in garrison, 9-5, and in the back of a truck during exercises and operations. (0-dark hundred to 0-dark hundred). If you are posted to a static position (non-operational), the job is mostly 9-5 (or 0730-1600 here) with the odd job outside those hours.

From my experience, the LCIS work on the electronics and communciations systems not found within land vehicals.  On base, they repair service and maintain HF, VHF, UFH, X-band based communication systems usually this is hand-held or base station transceivers.  They set-up and maintain satellite earth stations, computer networks, datacom systems, to the more mundane paging, order wires, intercom and telephone systems.  In the field, they'd be setting up satellite earth stations, radio systems, and the general electronics techs on a case by case basis.

Typically an LCIS tech will deal with the TCCCS radios and TE (Terminal Equipment - Switchboards, phones etc.) to start with.  After that, again depending where you are posted you will then get the option of going on different courses like satellite communications, UNIX courses, network admin courses and many others.


Land Communication and Information Systems Technicians (LCIS TECHs) repair and maintain all types of Army communications and information systems. These include: communications equipment and radio systems, radio relay systems, radar systems, ground surveillance and miscellaneous radiation detection and associated equipment, and cryptographic equipment. LCIS TECHs also maintain strategic, long range radio communications systems, portable satellite communications systems, microwave systems, personal computers and area networks, and ground telecommunications systems.

Their primary technical functions are the following:

  perform system restoration, preventive and corrective maintenance, inspections, modifications, installations and acceptance checks, as well as repair and overhaul;

  perform installations as well as preventive and corrective maintenance on a wide range of radio, radar, switching, data processing, cryptographic, terminal, audio and video equipment;

  install and operate test and diagnostic equipment to determine the general condition of systems; and

  repair and calibrate radiation detection equipment.
 
just another thanks for the replies to my post..........definetely a forum I will remain a member of.

Troy "Tyson12"
 
Re:  Postings out East...

Lots of posting for LCIS.  Yes...JSR (Kingston) does employ a lot of LCIS, SigOps, etc, but the current trend has been to staff Gaugetown, and Petawa.  Most of my classmates end up at either of those bases.
 
They are working on a 4's and 5's package now.  This concern was brought up by the LCIS foremen in a conference call in September.  They have to get there Sh** in gear as the lack of formalized 5' has placed new staff in a precarious position on not collecting "spec pay" as a result.
 
When you are trained in Kingston you rx a QL3-QL5 qual. SO when you come out out of Kingston as a Pte you are "kind of QL5" qualified. What is left for the individual to do is an OJT package that unfortunately is not standardized. There are many things in it to be signed off by the supervisor and once that is done the P provisional can be signed off. Especially in the case of direct entry pers. As soon as you rach Cpl you will rx spec pay.

Andrew
 
Not entirely correct.  I've been out of Kingston for 2 years now, and have never seen/heard about a OJT package and neither have any of the other LCIS Techs here.  As for the Spec pay,  you will not get the entire spec pay until you complete a QL5.  You will be getting a lesser amount,  they changed how the spec pay thing works in our trade... and you don't get the full shot until 5's qualified.

CANFORGEN 111/04 ADM(HR-MIL) 059 061843Z AUG 04
RESTRUCTURE OF OCCUPATIONS RECEIVING SPECIALIST PAY
UNCLASSIFIED


REF: A. AIG 1764/1760 DPPD 022 181129Z JUL 04
B. 5555-111-1(MOSART 2-2) DATED 16 JUL 04



THIS MESSAGE IS FURTHER TO THE ADVANCE NOTICE AT REF A, AND PROVIDES DETAILED INFORMATION ON THE APPROVED RESTRUCTURE OF THE SPECIALIST ONE OR SPECIALIST TWO PAY TRADE GROUPS EFFECTIVE 1 AUG 04. AFFECTED OCC INCLUDING THOSE PREVIOUSLY RESTRUCTURED BY INDIVIDUAL OCCUPATIONAL STRUCTURE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN (OSIP) ARE: AEROSPACE CONTROL OPERATOR (AC OP), AIRCRAFT STRUCTURES TECH (ACS TECH), AIRBORNE ELECTRONIC SENSOR OPERATOR (AES OP), AEROSPACE TELECOMUNICATIONS AND INFORMATION SYSTEMS TECHNICIAN (ATIS TECH), AVIATION SYSTEMS TECHNICIAN (AVN TECH), AVIONIC SYSTEMS TECHNICIAN (AVS TECH), BIOMEDICAL ELECTRONICS TECHNOLOGIST (BE TECH), CLEARANCE DIVER (CL DVR), COMMUNICATOR RESEARCH (COMM RSCH), ELECTRICAL TECHNICIAN (E TECH), FIRE CONTROL SYSTEMS TECHNICIAN (FCS TECH), FLIGHT ENGINEER (FLT ENGR), GEOMATICS TECHNICIAN (GEO TECH), HULL TECHNICIAN (H TECH), LAND COMMUNICATIONS AND INFORMATION SYSTEMS TECHNICIAN (LCIS TECH), MARINE ENGINEERING ARTICIFER (MAR ENG ART), MARINE ENGINEERING TECHNICIAN (MAR ENG TECH), MEDICAL TECHNICIAN PHYSICIAN ASSISTANT (MED TECH PA), MEDICAL TECHNICIAN OPERATING ROOM TECHNICIAN (MED TECH OR), MEDICAL TECHNICIAN PREVENTATIVE MEDICINE TECHNICIAN (MED TECH PMED), MEDICAL TECHNICIAN AERO-MEDICAL TECHNICIAN (MED TECH AEROMED), MEDICAL LABORATORY TECHNOLOGIST (MLAB TECH), MEDICAL RADIATION TECHNOLOGIST (MRAD TECH), MILITARY POLICE (MP), NAVAL COMBAT INFORMATION OPERATOR (NCI OP), NAVAL ELECTRONIC SENSOR OPERATOR (NES OP), NAVAL ELECTRONICS TECHNICIAN (ACOUSTIC) (NE TECH (A)), NAVAL ELECTRONICS TECHNICIAN COMMUNICATIONS (NE TECH (C)), NAVAL ELECTRONICS TECHNICIAN TACTICAL (NE TECH (T)), NAVAL ELECTRONICS TECHNICIAN (MANAGER) (NE TECH (M)), NON DESTRUCTIVE TESTING TECHNICIAN (NDT TECH), NAVAL WEAPONS TECHNICIAN (NW TECH), SEARCH AND RESCUE TECHNICIAN (SAR TECH), TACTICAL ACOUSTIC SENSOR OPERATOR (TAS OP)


DETAILS: THIS RESTRUCTURE WILL INTRODUCE A NEW MILITARY OCCUPATIONAL STRUCTURE (MOS) AND MANAGEMENT FRAMEWORK FOR THE STRUCTURING, TRAINING, PERSONNEL DEVELOPMENT AND CAREER MANAGEMENT OF AFFECTED OCC

THE REGULAR FORCE (REG F) OCC WILL BE DIVIDED INTO TWO SUB-DIVISIONS CONSISTING OF JUNIOR (JR) AND OCC QUALIFIED SUB-DIVISION. THOSE PRIMARY RESERVE (P RES) OCC THAT MUST BE FULLY QUALIFIED TO THE REG F OCC STANDARDS WILL ALSO BE RESTRUCTURED ACCORDINGLY


ESTABLISHMENT DETAIL: DIRECTORATE OF FORCE PLANNING AND PROGRAM COORDINATION (DFPPC) WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONVERSION OF OCC GROUP IDENTIFICATION. DFPPC, IN CONJUNCTION WITH DIRECTORATE MILITARY HUMAN RESOURCE REQUIREMENTS (DMHRR) AND DIRECTORATE HUMAN RESOURCES INFORMATION MANAGEMENT (DHRIM) WILL DEVELOP AN ACTION AND IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGY THAT WILL AMEND THE OCCUPATIONAL TABLES, OCCUPATIONAL GROUP TABLES AND THE ESTABLISHMENT DATABASE WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT OF NATIONAL DEFENCE (DND) HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (HRMS)


DFPPC STAFF IN CONJUNCTION WITH DMHRR AND DHRIM WILL: ENSURE THAT ALL EXISTING OCC POSITIONS ARE REASSIGNED TO THE NEW OCC STRUCTURE, AND PROCEED WITH A MASTER ESTABLISHMENT CHANGE (EC)

HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM (HRMS): ENVIRONMENTAL COMMANDS ARE TO PROVIDE DIRECTION TO UNIT BOR/URS TO UPDATE PERSONNEL (PERS) MATRIX PROVIDED BY DHRIM

DHRIM WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO: MOVE ALL REG F AND P RES TO THEIR NEW SUB-DIVISION, AT THE APPLICABLE QUALIFICATION LEVEL (QL), EFFECTIVE 1 AUG 04, AND ANNOTATE APPLICABLE AUTOMATED PERS FILES


INDIVIDUAL TRAINING: NO CONVERSION TRAINING (CT) WILL BE REQUIRED AS A RESULT OF THIS NEW STRUCTURE

QUALIFICATION MANAGEMENT: MOSART WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO: CREATE AND ISSUE NEW CODES FOR USE WITH THE NEW STRUCTURES, AND DMHRR 4-2-5 WILL CREATE NEW OCC IN HRMS

MANUAL URS ACTION IS STILL REQUIRED TO AWARD MEMBERS THE APPROPRIATE QL IN THE MEMBER OCC PANEL

RECRUITING: NEW RECRUITING INFORMATION AIDS (RIA) AND VIDEO UPDATES MAY BE REQUIRED TO REFLECT THE STRUCTURAL CHANGES AND PROGRESSION REQUIREMENTS.

ADM (PA) WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO: IN CONSULTATION WITH THE BRANCH/MA AMEND THE RECRUITING LITERATURE, AND UPDATE THE APPROPRIATE RECRUITING VIDEOS

COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS: UPON OSIP IMPLEMENTATION ALL MEMBERS WHO HAVE ACHIEVED THE RANK OF LS/CPL AND ARE IN RECEIPT OF SPECIALIST PAY AS OF 31 JUL 04, INCLUDING ACTING LACKING, WILL BE ASSIGNED TO THE OCC QUALIFIED SUBDIVISION AND WILL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THOSE RATES OF PAY. EFFECTIVE 1 AUG 04 PERSONNEL NOT INCLUDED AS OUTLINED ABOVE WHO HAVE NOT REPEAT NOT ACHIEVED THE OCC QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED FOR THEIR RANK, AS DETAILED IN THE OSIP, WILL BE ASSIGNED TO THE JR SUBDIVISION AND WILL BE ENTITLED TO PAY AT THE RATE OF PAY ASSIGNED TO THAT SUBDIVISION. FURTHER ADMIN DETAILS WILL BE PROVIDED BY DPPD TO UNIT ADMIN STAFF

PERSONNEL RECORDS: IT IS TO THE MEMBER S ADVANTAGE TO ENSURE THAT PERS RECORDS REFLECT THEIR PARTICULAR QUALIFICATIONS AND THEY SHOULD BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THEIR SUPERVISORS ANY DISCREPANCY. THE FOLLOWING RECORDS SHALL BE AMENDED:

HRMS AUTOMATED: HRMS RECORDS WILL REFLECT THE STRUCTURAL CHANGES RESULTING FROM THE CREATION OF THE NEW SUB-DIVISIONS UPON COMPLETION OF MOSID AND ESTABLISHMENT ACTION IAW REF. FUTURE OUTPUT PRODUCTS FROM THE NDHQ PRR WILL AUTOMATICALLY REFLECT THE APPLICABLE MOSID,

NON-HRMS AUTOMATED: INDIVIDUAL SYSTEM OWNERS MUST MODIFY/UPDATE STAND-ALONE IT SYSTEMS TO REFLECT THE NEW SUB-DIVISIONAL STRUCTURE,

MANUAL: THE BASE/WING OR URS WILL AMEND THE MEDICAL AND DENTAL RECORDS, UERS, CONDUCT SHEETS (IF APPLICABLE) AND THE MEMBERS PERS FILES AND PRRS TO REFLECT THE NEW MOSID, AND

PAY: CCPS WILL BE UPDATED SEPARATELY USING THE NEW MOSID CODES. DIRECTOR GENERAL ACCOUNTS PROCESSING PAY AND PENSIONS (DGAPPP) WILL ENSURE THAT THE MASTER PAY RECORD IS AMENDED TO REFLECT THE STRUCTURAL CHANGE OF THE NEW OCC. DIRECTORATE PAY POLICY AND DEVELOPMENT (DPPD) WILL LIAISE WITH DGAPPP ON ANY PAY POLICY MATTERS THAT ARISE BECAUSE OF A CHANGE IN THE STRUCTURE CONCERNED IN THIS OSIP

MEDICAL STANDARDS: THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE TO THE MEDICAL STANDARDS AS A RESULT OF THIS OSIP

SECURITY CLEARANCE: THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE TO THE SECURITY CLEARANCE LEVEL FOR THE OCC

DOCUMENTATION AMENDMENTS: THE OSIP TEAM AND NDHQ OPIS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO IDENTIFY ANY PUBLICATIONS INCL CFAO, DAOD, QR&O, STANAGS, ATO OR CFTO THAT WILL REQUIRE AMENDMENTS TO REFLECT THE STRUCTURAL CHANGES

PROGRESS REVIEW UPDATE: EACH OCI SHALL PROVIDE MOSART WITH QUARTERLY PROGRESS REPORTS AND, IN THE EVENT OF ANY UNFORESEEN DIFFICULTY IN THEIR AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY, PROVIDE EXCEPTION REPORTS

Enjoy
 
Well here you go, here is the full list. If this is too screwed up due to formatting grab the text file I attached.
Number of positions available by Unit and Location
LOCATION Unit Name TOTAL CWO MWO WO Sgt MCpl Cpl Cpl/PteT
ALDERGROVE CFB Esquimalt Det Aldergrove 4 1 1 1 1
ALDERSHOT LFAA TC Det Aldershot 1 1
BFC VALCARTI 3 R22ER 2 1 1
BORDEN CFB Borden 16 1 1 3 4 4 3
BORDEN CFMPA 1 1
BORDEN CFRETS HQ 1 1
BRUNSSUM Reg HQ AFNE 1 1
CALGARY 1 PPCLI 4 1 1 2
CASTEAU SHAPE 5 1 1 1 1 1
CFB GAGETOWN 4 AD Regt Det Gagetwon 12 1 5 6
CFB PETAWAWA 3 RCR 2 1 1
CHARLOTTETOW 721 Comm Regt 1 1
CHILLIWACK ASU Chilliwack 2 1 1
COLD LAKE AETE 1 1
DEBERT CC NICS Det Debert 8 1 4 3
EDMONTON 1 CER 2 1 1
EDMONTON 1 CMBG HQ & SS 21 1 1 1 7 5 6
EDMONTON 1 Fd Amb 1 1
EDMONTON 1 GS Bn 11 1 1 3 3 3
EDMONTON 408 Tac Hel Sqn 1 1
EDMONTON 742 Comm Sqn 39 1 2 6 7 6 17
EDMONTON 745 Comm Sqn 1 1
EDMONTON CFB/ASU Edmonton 1 1
EDMONTON,ALT 1 Svc Bn 4 2 2
EDMONTON,ALT 3 PPCLI 2 1 1
EDMONTON,ALT LDSH 6 1 5
ESQUIMALT CFB Esquimalt 9 3 3 3
GAGETOWN 2 RCR 4 1 1 2
GAGETOWN 4 ESR 1 1
GAGETOWN 724 Comm Sqn 12 1 1 6 1 3
GAGETOWN CFB/ASU Gagetown 32 1 1 3 6 7 14
GAGETOWN Fd Arty School 5 1 2 2
GAGETOWN LFTEU 1 1
GANDER CFB Gander 1 1
GANDER CFS Leitrim Det Gander 6 2 2 2
GT VILLAGE N 72 Comm Gp Det Gt Village 3 1 1 1
HALIFAX CFB Halifax 9 1 1 1 2 3 1
HALIFAX CFB Halifax Det Mill Cove 5 1 3 1
HAMILTON 705 Comm Sqn 1 1
HULL DGLEPM 8 3 4 1
KINGSTON 1 CDN DIV HQ & SIG REGT 9 1 3 5
KINGSTON CFB/ASU Kingston 6 1 3 1 1
KINGSTON CFCMU 18 1 1 4 6 6
KINGSTON CFIOG HQ Det Kingston 1 1
KINGSTON CFJSR 69 1 1 1 7 22 19 18
KINGSTON CFSCE 50 1 1 12 26 10
KINGSTON CLFCSC 3 1 1 1
KINGSTON LFDTS HQ 1 1
KINGSTON RMC 3 1 2
LEITRIM CFS Leitrim 39 1 1 2 7 8 16 4
LETHBRIDGE 18 AD Regt 1 1
LONDON ASU London 2 1 1
MASSET CFS Leitrim Det Masset 6 1 3 2
MEAFORD LFCA TC 2 1 1
MONTREAL 202 Wksp 10 2 3 5
MONTREAL 3 CSG 1 1
NORFOLK CC SACLANT 1 1
OTTAWA 76 Comm Gp HQ 57 2 6 8 12 18 11
OTTAWA 763 Comm Regt 1 1
OTTAWA ADM(IM) PMPR List 5 3 1 1
OTTAWA CFEWC 2 1 1
OTTAWA CFIOG HQ 8 2 6
OTTAWA CFNIS 1 1
OTTAWA CLS 1 1
OTTAWA DGISDS 15 1 2 7 4 1
OTTAWA DGMC 2 1 1
OTTAWA LFC H List 2 1 1
OTTAWA NATO COMFAC Ottawa 1 1
OTTAWA NDHQ PRL 1 1
OTTAWA PROJECT MANAGEMENT RESOURCE PO 21 1 12 5 3
OTTAWA QAWC St Lawrence 1 1
PEMBROKE 1 AD Regt 1 1
PETAWAWA 1 Cdn Fd Hosp 1 1
PETAWAWA 1 RCR 4 1 1 2
PETAWAWA 2 CER 2 1 1
PETAWAWA 2 CMBG HQ & Sig Sqn 20 1 1 1 7 4 6
PETAWAWA 2 Fd Amb 1 1
PETAWAWA 2 GS Bn 15 1 2 7 5
PETAWAWA 2 RCHA 10 1 5 4
PETAWAWA 2 Svc Bn 6 1 3 2
PETAWAWA 427 Tac Hel Sqn 1 1
PETAWAWA 702 Comm Sqn 22 1 1 5 3 4 8
PETAWAWA RCD 6 1 5
QUEBEC CITY 2 R22ER 4 1 1 2
QUEBEC CITY 6 Fd Regt 58 AA Bty 1 1
QUEBEC CITY CFRC Québec 1 1
RICHELAIN.QU ASU St Jean 3 1 1 1
SAINT-JEAN 715 Comm Sqn Det St-Jean 12 5 2 4 1
SAINT-JEAN CFLRS ST-JEAN 1 1
SAINT-JEAN CFMDS 1 1
SELFKANT,GER 76 Comm Gp Det Selfkant 1 1
SHILO 1 RCHA 10 1 5 4
SHILO 1 Svc Bn Det Shilo 1 1
SHILO 731 Comm Sqn 16 1 2 3 4 6
SHILO CFB/ASU Shilo 1 1
ST JOHN'S CFS St John's 5 1 1 3
ST-HUBERT 715 Comm Sqn 10 1 1 4 1 3
ST-HUBERT CFB/ASU Montréal 4 1 2 1
SUFFIELD CFB Suffield 10 1 1 1 3 3 1
TORONTO CFC 2 2
TORONTO CFEME 3 1 1 1
TORONTO, ONT ASU Toronto 5 1 3 1
TRENTON CFB Trenton 2 1 1
VALCARTIER 1 R22ER 4 1 1 2
VALCARTIER 12e RBC 6 1 5
VALCARTIER 430 Tac Hel Sqn 1 1
VALCARTIER 5 CER 2 1 1
VALCARTIER 5 CMBG HQ & Sig Sqn 19 1 1 1 6 4 6
VALCARTIER 5 Fd Amb 1 1
VALCARTIER 5 Svc Bn 4 2 2
VALCARTIER 5e RALC 10 1 5 4
VALCARTIER 711 Comm Sqn 18 1 1 2 5 5 4
VALCARTIER CFB/ASU Valcartier 18 1 3 4 1 9
VALCARTIER DRE Valcartier 2 2
VALCARTIER LFQA TC 3 1 2
WAINWRIGHT 742 Comm Sqn Det Wainwright 5 1 4
WAINWRIGHT LFWA TC 2 1 1
WASHINGTON CFIOG HQ/USN Office 1 1
WINNIPEG 2 PPCLI 4 1 1 2
WINNIPEG 735 Comm Regt 1 1
WINNIPEG CFB Winnipeg 5 1 1 3
YELLOWKNIFE CFNA HQ 2 1 1
 
We can read the canforgen but really it doesn't mean that much at this time, for people who have done OJT and have had their supervisors write off their qual.You may have been out of Kingston, 2 yrs ago,  but I administer people under me who have done said OJT. This isn't anything I heard or from anyone else I have done it. This is the way it works. You must remember also that our trade is in a state of flux right now. Also there are many types of people out there direct entry, and reserve transfers and normal recruits. So many options.
Andrew
 
I'm presently taking my LCIS QL3 and we had a meeting with the Career Manager a couple of months ago and here's how it stood then:

There is no QL5 package YET, it's in the works and ETA is unkown.

As for the whole SPEC PAY thing, technically you need to be 5's qualified before you can start receiving it, but since there's no QL5 yet and no ETA, LCIS Tech will receive SPEC PAY 24 months after finishing QL3, at which point you are considered to have enough OJT to be QL5 "qualified".

We we're told that my course will not be affected by the upcoming LCIS QL5.
 
The LCIS course that is graduating in March are posted as follows:

5 to Petawawa
3 to Shilo
1 to Kingston

And on my course 2 have been already "offered" Wainwright

 
tyson12 said:
Thanks for the reply and the info LCISTech227. How long have you been in so far? Was it you that had just signed his 20yr? What was your background prior to training. I have university and a networking degree with MCP and most of the way to MCSE.

I was the one that just started my 20yr stint.
My prior background was school for Electronics Eng. Technology. I finished about 90% of that 5 years ago and decided to get into IT instead and got a piece of paper for that. I was in the Reserves for a few years before this. I had a fulltime contract in a LCIS position for 3 years at a Detached Training Center. The base didnt support radio's so I have no knowledge on that. But myself and 2 others maintained the whole IT/Tele for the base. Your course you mentioned will help you on that part of the LCIS trade. There are many specialty training courses offered as well; Fibreoptics, Advanced Soldering, Network Management(you have this one already) and a few others.
If ya ever had any Calculus courses prior then you will know the math and already have an open mind for the electronic concepts "Thrown" at ya. Staff is great to help as well if you need any.
 
Ok, let me clear up some of the confusion.  I was a reserve rad tech and on the second LCIS course ever run.  There was no QL5 level course at that time, I don't know what's happening in the trade nowadays.

What happened with the QL5 was this.  The QL 5 tech's course was an advanced POET course.  In 1991 they revamped the POET course, and incorporated what was in the advanced POET into the basic POET, so a QL5 course wasn't necessary, as the qualification was already held by anyone taking POET.
 
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