Liberal Minority Government 2021 - ????

[Lumber]

You're half right.

The goal is to crush their opponents in an election, so they have the time and space to enact their policies, and get the credit for them. The NDP have been propping up an ineffective and unpopular LPC, while the LPC claim all the credit for the legislation that does become somewhat successful. If the NDP was getting credit for their efforts it would be reflected in the polls... It isn't, which means their strategy is not working, and realistically was never likely to be successful.

Or maybe, just maybe, you're both wrong. Maybe the NDP pushed the liberals to enact their policies because they truly believed it was for the good of Canadians, credit be damned.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Or maybe, just maybe, you're both wrong. Maybe the NDP pushed the liberals to enact their policies because they truly believed it was for the good of Canadians, credit be damned.

If the “credit be dammed” part was completely true, that feeds right into the “they don’t seriously want to govern” narrative that some criticize them for.

Mind you, a lot of that specific critique tends to come from parties that have been Captains of the government ship federally, too, so consider the source.

 

[Furniture]

Or maybe, just maybe, you're both wrong. Maybe the NDP pushed the liberals to enact their policies because they truly believed it was for the good of Canadians, credit be damned.

You don't rise to that level of power by being a good guy just looking out for the poors.

It's a great narrative, but it's not how politics actually work.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Or maybe, just maybe, you're both wrong. Maybe the NDP pushed the liberals to enact their policies because they truly believed it was for the good of Canadians, credit be damned.

Naw. They're just doing things to feel good about themselves. The "good of Canadians" is not served by piling up competing obligations for insufficient public funds, especially with programs that aggravate demand without addressing supply.

 

[Lumber]

Naw. They're just doing things to feel good about themselves. The "good of Canadians" is not served by piling up competing obligations for insufficient public funds, especially with programs that aggravate demand without addressing supply.

You're assuming the dippers actually understand economics and the 2nd and 3rd order effects of their policies. Assume instead that they are naive idealists and this theory holds more water.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You're assuming the dippers actually understand economics and the 2nd and 3rd order effects of their policies. Assume instead that they are naive idealists and this theory holds more water.

I used to get behind that. And it's a reason I used to vote NDP a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away.

But a naive idealist wouldn't live the highlife like Singh. They are champagne socialism to the worst degree.

 

[Brad Sallows]

You're assuming the dippers actually understand economics and the 2nd and 3rd order effects of their policies. Assume instead that they are naive idealists and this theory holds more water.

For that to be plausible, almost none of them would have a CV that includes an introduction to economics as part of a humanities degree and they would also have to be incapable or unwilling of communicating the basic ideas. Also, they'd have to be ignorant of what is in the news almost daily about funding shortfalls being experienced by nearly every public-serving agency (public or private) that we have. How many in BC, for example, are unaware of occasional emergency room closures and intellectually incapable of making the simple connection to under-funding of the "supply chain" of physicians, nurses, various medical assistants, and technicians?

 

[Rifleman62]

The NDP are a spent party clinging on to the faint hope that "events" will save them. As people around here are fond of saying; hope isn't a COA.

Just wait for PM Carney to offer Singh a Cabinet Minister position in exchange for the NDP support.

He now will be The Honourable Jagmeet Singh, bigger salary/pension, prestige, limo, self-satisfaction, and on and on.

 

[Navy_Pete]

For that to be plausible, almost none of them would have a CV that includes an introduction to economics as part of a humanities degree and they would also have to be incapable or unwilling of communicating the basic ideas. Also, they'd have to be ignorant of what is in the news almost daily about funding shortfalls being experienced by nearly every public-serving agency (public or private) that we have. How many in BC, for example, are unaware of occasional emergency room closures and intellectually incapable of making the simple connection to under-funding of the "supply chain" of physicians, nurses, various medical assistants, and technicians?

That's actually pretty plausible if you have ever seen what comes up at their conventions, the NDP party faithful have a lot of people that either don't know or don't care about economics.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That's actually pretty plausible if you have ever seen what comes up at their conventions, the NDP party faithful have a lot of people that either don't know or don't care about economics.

Kind of like a party that believes a budget balance it's self ?

 

[Remius]

Kind of like a party that believes a budget balance it's self ?

Or one that thinks that crypto is how to insulate yourself from inflation…

 

[Halifax Tar]

Or one that thinks that crypto is how to insulate yourself from inflation…

or one that doesn't think about monetary policy...

 

[Remius]

or one that doesn't think about monetary policy...

Or one that has no monetary policy.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Or one that has no monetary policy.

I like how you left that one open for me to pick any party I want lol

 

[Remius]

I like how you left that one open for me to pick any party I want lol

You sort of did that too…

 

[Navy_Pete]

Kind of like a party that believes a budget balance it's self ?

That's reasonable if you are doing some kind of deficit spending as an investment for future growth (like building a pipeline to the west coast to export oil), but the Trudeau LPC is like a trust fund kid using $100 bills to light a fancy cigar.

Hoping they will get decimated in the next election and clear out the current crop of party head folks driving these policies and let the fiscally conservative Paul Martin types take the reins. I think Harper did well by very deliberately kicking down the social conservative aspects, but PP is turning off a lot of people by supporting the outlying cranks and conspiracy nuts because they hate Trudeau.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Hoping they will get decimated in the next election and clear out the current crop of party head folks driving these policies and let the fiscally conservative Paul Martin types take the reins. I think Harper did well by very deliberately kicking down the social conservative aspects, but PP is turning off a lot of people by supporting the outlying cranks and conspiracy nuts because they hate Trudeau.

Lets have an election and find out. I'm tired of all the debate and speculation around this.

 

[Remius]

Lets have an election and find out. I'm tired of all the debate and speculation around this.

Good thing one is coming.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Good thing one is coming.

I mean it has to happen eventually.

 

[Eaglelord17]

I find it interesting the amount of people who think if Carney gets in the economy will magically be fixed. The Liberal party is still the same party as it was under Trudeau. The policy makers and voters are still there and they haven’t had to have any contrition for their actions. The PM can make a bit of a difference but ultimately the Liberals are much more than simply Trudeau.