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Media Bias [Merged]

recceguy said:
I read through about the first five pages of comments. If any were in defence of the CBC, I missed it.

You should look at the first two again.

Your signature block reveals your own bias, so your argument must be taken with an appropriate grain of salt.  But I have to say that in New Brunswick, where there is currently a Liberal government, an argument of anti-Liberal bias would be stronger that one of anti-Conservative bias.  Perhaps that's the key: the media see it as part of their role to hold the government up for inspection, warts and all.  Was it a CBC reporter who had the famous "just watch me" conversation with Pierre Trudeau?
 
N. McKay said:
You should look at the first two again.

Your signature block reveals your own bias, so your argument must be taken with an appropriate grain of salt.  But I have to say that in New Brunswick, where there is currently a Liberal government, an argument of anti-Liberal bias would be stronger that one of anti-Conservative bias.  Perhaps that's the key: the media see it as part of their role to hold the government up for inspection, warts and all.  Was it a CBC reporter who had the famous "just watch me" conversation with Pierre Trudeau?

I wasn't aware I was making an arguement. Simply speculating on an observation is all. It's an understandable mistake though, as most liebrals see overwhelming conspiracy behind every question or critisism of their narrow minded socialist manifesto. Not saying you're one of those mind you.
 
recceguy said:
Not saying you're one of those mind you.

Good!  By day I'm a mild-mannered civil servant so I emphatically do not have any political preference. 

But I do think the CBC is pretty good at its job -- which of course is much, much broader than news coverage of politics (or even news coverage as a whole).  If that entails shining a bright light on the government of the day then so much the better.  I would speculate that the Liberal government in power in New Brunswick doesn't love them any more than the Conservative one in Ottawa does.
 
Mid Aged Silverback said:
You only have to watch a Montreal Canadiens playoff game to know CBC is biased.

I didnt see that - can you give an example(s)? 
 
N. McKay said:
But I do think the CBC is pretty good at its job

Then you are in the small percentile of Canadians that thinks so, given their viewing choices. 

I'm with Recceguy.  Auction them off and stop wasting my money. 
 
Recceguy and ZC, add me to the list in favor of an auctions and no more subsidies.

KJK :cdn:
 
CBC hasn't been a source of legitimate news or journalism since they started believing that producing and commenting on semi-daily opinion polls was "news."
::)


Polls are dubious at the best of times; reading CBC's comments on those polls takes that down to a credibility of 0.01......+/- 2.0....19 times out of 20....except for comments from any Toronto-based Starbucks internet site....uh, on Thursdays.....unless the comment is by a SME (whose expertise based solely upon being posted into a SME line-serial)......damn these caveats; I feel like a German or a Frenchman in RC(N).....
 
The message:  CBC, like other media, is there to help get information Canadians need to know out there.

The reality:  Except when it comes to information about the CBC - this  from the Canadian Press:
The information commissioner of Canada has again smacked the CBC for stonewalling requests under the access-to-information law.

In her 2009-2010 annual report released Thursday, Suzanne Legault said the public broadcaster has wrongly withheld information, taken too long to respond to some requests and tried to overcharge on some files.

(....)

Since 2007, the commissioner has received 889 complaints about the broadcaster. The only other newly added agency even close was Canada Post, with 116.

Of the CBC complaints, 576 have been closed, 18 were dropped, 498 were found to have merit and 60 were unsubstantiated.

Legault said the CBC has used a variety of tactics to head off or delay access requests. For example, it refused to release some accounting information, saying it might be used for fraud.

Only after Legault intervened did it agree that fraud wasn't likely.

It tried to overcharge for searches and again relented when Legault stepped in.

The CBC also took too much time to process requests and had to be prodded into action.

(....)
 
Also this from last night's National.

Those ships that were intercepted off Israel? Well, it seems that only the Israeli's have released video, none of the activists groups, and guess what it shows....it was fun watching CBC backpeddling in a "Questioning" manner.... :)
 
As others have commented, buried in this column (see bold text), the CBC is at it again. Holding an interview conducted in the Spring of this year, to the day before the Chinese President arrives in Canada for a before the G20 meeting with the PM. Canadian"journalism" at it's best.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/csis-directors-future-in-doubt-as-politicians-decry-remarks/article1615583/

CSIS director’s future in doubt as politicians decry remarks

Spy chief’s statement that lawmakers are beholden to foreign states draws ire of B.C. Premier

From Thursday's Globe and Mail
Published on Wednesday, Jun. 23, 2010 11:12PM EDT

Last updated on Thursday, Jun. 24, 2010 11:43AM EDT

Canada’s outspoken spy chief has unleashed a political furor by saying that a number of politicians are influenced by foreign states, comments that left his critics wondering whether he will survive as head of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.

Calling the charges by Richard Fadden “unprecedented and completely unprofessional,” B.C Premier Gordon Campbell said the spy agency smeared lawmakers as beholden to foreign governments. “To cast a shadow of doubt across municipal politicians or provincial cabinet ministers without so much as a shred of substantial evidence I have seen, or anyone else has seen, is simply not acceptable in Canada,” Mr. Campbell said Wednesday.

The Ontario and Saskatchewan Premiers, and several Western Canadian mayors, uttered similar criticisms.

The CSIS director made televised comments on CBC Tuesday, saying that two unnamed provincial cabinet ministers and a number of other government officials and employees are under the influence of foreign countries.

The Fadden controversy erupted during a week when the world’s eyes are on Canada for the G8 and G20 summits, and as Prime Minister Stephen Harper flew to Toronto to apologize for CSIS-RCMP failings on the 25th anniversary of Canada’s greatest terrorist attack. Last week, a judge recommended sweeping security changes, after faulting CSIS and other agencies for bungling the probe into the 1985 Air India bombings.

It also occurred as Chinese President Hu Jintao arrived in Ontario Wednesday to prepare for the G20 summit. Mr. Hu was accompanied by one of the highest-level delegations ever to come to Canada, which includes four deputy premiers and five ministers.

In the CBC interview broadcast Tuesday night, Mr. Fadden suggested that hostile foreign entities – possibly Chinese ones – had infiltrated Canadian politics.

A career mandarin appointed to run Canada’s spy agency a year ago, Mr. Fadden made his media debut by talking about how foreign interference was a real problem. He said he had advised Ottawa’s “centre” of certain problematic politicians.

He backtracked in a written clarification Wednesday. “I have not apprised the Privy Council Office of the cases I mentioned in the interview on CBC,” he said, adding that “CSIS has not deemed the cases to be of sufficient concern to bring them to the attention of provincial authorities.”

The retreat led MP Mark Holland, Liberal national-security critic, to say that if what Mr. Fadden has said is true about not advising his political masters, “then he’s got to go and he has to go immediately.” University of Toronto professor Wesley Wark, a frequent commentator on national security, called the remarks “a grievous misjudgment and a firing offence.”

A spokesman for the Prime Minister said no one has requested any resignation. And some insiders argue Mr. Fadden merely expressed – albeit more pointedly – what has worried CSIS for years. “I was surprised to hear his comments – not what he said, but that he said it,” said Robert Simmonds, past RCMP commissioner.

The timing of the CBC interview was not Mr. Fadden’s choice. This spring, CBC approached him to repeat remarks he had made at a private, but videotaped, speech at the Royal Canadian Military Institute. The public broadcaster kept the interview in its back pocket until it broadcast the exclusive this week

Mr. Fadden arrived at CSIS with an eye to reshaping the public debate on national security. He once said Canadians “would all benefit from a more nuanced debate worthy of a G8 country.”



His remarks clearly stunned municipal and provincial politicians and detracted from the federal focus on the summits. The international implications are not yet known. In the absence of any discernible protest from the Chinese, the government appears intent on ignoring Mr. Fadden’s comments and hoping that the controversy fades away.

On Wednesday, however, a newspaper tied to a Chinese dissident group, the Falun Gong, released an audiotape alleging Chinese embassy officials are paying pro-China protesters to shout down any anti-Beijing criticisms uttered. Such activities cause CSIS worries, given its mandate to guard against foreign powers who seek to clandestinely steal secrets, quell dissent, or influence politics.

Unlike his predecessors, Mr. Fadden made the case openly. “We’re in fact a bit worried in a couple of provinces that we have an indication there are some political figures who have developed quite an attachment to foreign countries,” he told the CBC.
 
CBC says the interview was not in the can, it was done Monday of this week:
http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/threads/94892/post-949092.html#msg949092
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/06/24/f-vp-stewart.html
 
Possibly, if you believe the CBC. Why doesn't someone ask Fadden?

The point is that the item was brought up the list (manufactured) on a timeline that was bound to cause embarrassment/controversy to the visit of the Chinese President, add reinforcement to Iggy's new remarks re China/The PM.

22 Jun 10: Iggy - “My visit to China will affirm the Liberal vision for restoring Canada’s global leadership, where real partnerships with China are nurtured through constant, constructive engagement,” Mr. Ignatieff said. “While Stephen Harper neglected China, a future Liberal government will leverage our relationships with China by partnering with business and government, colleges and universities, civil society organizations and private citizens.”

24 Jin 10: LPC Press Release - Liberal MPs will request the recall of Parliament’s Public Safety and National Security committee to get answers about the Prime Ministers’ Office role in the highly unusual timing of troubling public accusations made by the Director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS).

25 Jun 10: LPC Press Release - Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff met today with Chinese President Hu Jintao in advance of the President`s participation in the G20 summit in Toronto. “I spoke about building on the longstanding tradition of sustained, responsible engagement with China established by my Liberal predecessors, Prime Ministers Pierre Trudeau, Jean Chretien and Paul Martin. That engagement has served the interests of both countries over the years.”
 
Rifleman62 said:
Possibly, if you believe the CBC. Why doesn't someone ask Fadden?
I'm as skeptical about mainstream media as the next guy, but if the int'view was done a long time ago, I'd like to think that Fadden/CSIS would have said so in their statement.
 
Interesting article from a journalism prof.

....
Ryerson University professors Marsha Barber and Ann Rauhala explored the demographic and political leanings of Canada's television news directors. The results of their survey were published in 2005 in the Canadian Journal of Communication. The researchers found that the news directors, whom they describe as the people "with the most direct responsibility for programming the news on any given day," were more politically and socially liberal than the rest of the Canadian population. Broken down by network, those working for the CBC were the most left-leaning. Barber and Rauhala's findings echo researchers David Pritchard and Florian Sauvageau's survey results from years earlier. Regarding Canadian TV journalists, they found that most felt the news organizations they worked for were "slightly left of centre" when it came to political outlook while they themselves were ideologically more left-leaning than their employers.

....


At one point in [a story on Palin] story, Macdonald ran a snippet from a speech Palin had delivered to a local church earlier that year. It showed her telling those in the pews that she believed America's war against Iraq was endorsed by God. The interview clip was meant to convince viewers that, as a staunch evangelical, Palin was dangerously jingoistic. The problem was Macdonald had edited off the beginning of the clip and in doing so had changed the meaning completely.

A posting on YouTube where Palin's complete speech can be viewed let's one compare Macdonald's version to the real McCoy. The portion of interview that Macdonald included in his report began with Palin saying, "Our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God."

However, what Palin had actually said was this: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country [pray] that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God."

Someone watching or reading the full quote in its true context could see that Palin was not raising a war cry, she was raising a question. A question steeped in humility with no hint of jingoism; she asked: "Is this war a task from God?" It's a question to which she does not have an answer and advises praying for divine guidance in the hope of finding the right path.
 
CBC makes me sick, if the Conservatives win a majority the first thing they should do is dismantle it. One billion dollars a year could pay for alot.
 
Pegcity said:
CBC makes me sick, if the Conservatives win a majority the first thing they should do is dismantle it. One billion dollars a year could pay for alot.

Yup.  A G20 summit a year.
 
Thucydides said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  :o :o :o

Relax it won't be in TO every year. We'll space them out to a different province each year. That way everyone should get to participate in an Operation Goat Rodeo at least once in their military career and possibly twice. hey maybe you could bars for the GGCVSM for each G20 8)
 
While we're on the subject...

Surprise! CBC report lauds CBC

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2010/07/21/14783966.html
 
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