Mutliple shots fired, Dawson College, Montreal

[George Wallace]

Profiles of the 'killer', Kimveer Gill, are starting to show up, such as this link on CTV.ca:  http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060914/gill_profile_060914/20060914/

In an online blog, Kimveer Gill includes a photo of a tombstone with his name printed on it -- below it the phrase: "Lived fast died young. Left a mangled corpse."

The blog, posted on an online hub of goth culture, paints a dark portrait of the 25-year-old man published reports have identified as the trenchcoat-wearing gunman who opened fire on students at Montreal's Dawson College Wednesday, killing one and injuring 19 others.

Gill's image gallery, which contains more than 50 photos, depicts the young man in various poses holding a Baretta CX4 Storm semi-automatic rifle and donning a long black trenchcoat and combat boots.

"His name is Trench. you will come to know him as the Angel of Death," he wrote on his vampirefreaks.com profile.

"He is not a people person. He has met a handfull (sic) of people in his life who are decent." But he writes that he finds the vast majority to be "worthless, no good, kniving, betraying lieing (sic), deceptive."

The last of Gill's six journal entries Wednesday was posted at 10:41 a.m, about two hours before the gunman was shot dead after the college shooting.

Full article and photos at above link.

 

[GAP]

The question of the day at CFRA website

The 3 guns used by 25 year old Kimveer Gill - Montreal's Dawson College Shooter - were legally registered. What does this tell you about the effectiveness of the $1.5 billion gun registry?

http://www.cfra.com/headlines/index.asp

 

[Meridian]

It tells me it doesn't stop a mass murderer who didn't get away.

In any event onhis profile he calls himself "Angel of Death"... which is the same title previous school shooters have given themselves...

 

[George Wallace]

I guess his 'Background Check' wasn't done too well.  (If one was even done.)

 

[ark]

http://vampirefreaks.com/gallery.php?u=fatality666

This is his blog with pictures. For obvious reasons the site is very slow and may go down any minute.

 

[-Marauder-]

I'd like to comend the police officers who, if the reports are correct, moved immediately into the college to find and neutralize the shooter.  From what I have read about leasons learned after Columbine in particular, they did exactly the right thing, as opposed to setting up a cordon and waiting for the tactical team. 

Their quick thinking and bravery is deserving of the highest praise from one group of warriors to another.

 

[ark]

I'd like to comend the police officers who, if the reports are correct, moved immediately into the college to find and neutralize the shooter.  From what I have read about leasons learned after Columbine in particular, they did exactly the right thing, as opposed to setting up a cordon and waiting for the tactical team. 

Their quick thinking and bravery is deserving of the highest praise from one group of warriors to another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPQlDeV3_Go

The video is not too clear but I think those are the two Police Officers in action.

 

[Douke]

There is only one gunman, Kimveer Gill, Canadian origins. The guy obviously had psychological problems, was assured he was a vampire and seemed to be way too influenced by gothic movies of the like of Blade. He had paranoiac tendencies, thinking police had been following him for several weeks.

He was carrying 3 weapons, a Beretta CX4 Storm wich is what he mainly used, a .45 pistol and a semi-automatic shotgun he had to leave outside (thank god) because of two policemen who were filling a report on a drug bust nearby. He entered the college and shot randomingly at people, killing one and injuring 19 others. The death has been identified as Anastasia De Souza, a 18 year old business student.

Thanks to the two police officers who were filling reports nearby and heard the shot, first policemen arrived on site only 3-4 minutes after the first gun shots and quickly entered the scene without waiting for reinforcements, probably remembering the Polytechnic's mistake a few years ago. They exchanged gunfire with the suspect who was hit at the leg, after being hit, the suspect drew his .45 pistol out and suicided with it.

I was in Montreal when it happened and this is all the info I could gather. My condoleances to the family of the victim, and big get well soon for all those who were injured. It is my wish that we will look further into the causes of this incident then blaming it on a weapon, wich is merely a tool. The guy was living in his parent's house, how could they not see this coming ? How dangerous can the gothic culture be on feeble minds (I am not saying gothics are dangerous, but that this culture can have dangerous effects on weak minds). ? How the heck did he get two restricted weapons ? Were they dad's weapons that weren't properly secured, or worse, did he get a restricted liscence himself and the system failed at detecting the potential threat someone like him could cause in possession of those weapons ? All questions that would benefit form being answered in my opinion.

Ending this on a note to every O-negative blooded person in the viscinity of Montreal, Hema Québec used large quantities of the universal blood type  to treat victims of the shootout, and need to restock on it. They are currently advertising for blood donations in all large medias, so if you are of the right blood type, please go give some and save lives.

Douke

 

[The Anti-Royal]

Let the national trauma begin . . .

A sad day in Montreal, to be sure, but I can't bear to hear the word "devastated" one more time.  I am sure that we soon will see the crowds of psychiatric counselors descend to "help" all those who witnessed this tragedy, who saw it on television, who heard about it on the radio.

The scenes on the national news remind me of a story told by George McDonald Fraser, who served as a private soldier in the 9th Bn of the Border Regiment in South Asia during the Second World War.  He recounts how his section reacted to the death of their commander, Tich Little, after a firefight with the Japanese, and as a post-script, he adds:

"The pity is that the public shapes its behaviour to the media's demands . . . The damage that fashionable attitudes, reflected (and created) by television, have done to the public spirit, is incalculable.  It has been weakened to the point where it is taken for granted that anyone who has suffered loss and hardship must be in need of 'counselling' . . . One wonders how Londoners survived the Blitz without the interference of unqualified, jargon-mumbling 'counsellors' . . ."

"Certainly, a small minority need help . . . but the numbers will increase, and the scars enlarge, in proportion to society's insistence in raising spectres which would be better left alone.  Tell people they should feel something, and they'll not only feel it, they'll regard themselves as entitled and obliged to feel it."

"Fortunately, for the world, my generation didn't suffer from spiritual hypochondria - but then, we couldn't afford it.  By modern standards, I'm sure we, like the whole population who ensured the war, were ripe for counselling, but we were lucky; there were no counsellore.  I can regret, though, that there were no modern television 'journalists', transported back in time, to ask Grandarse [another member of Fraser's section]:  'How did you feel when you saw Corporal Little shot dead?'  I would have liked to hear the reply."

P.S.  Well done to the MUC Police, Urgence Sante, etc., who reacted so quickly and efficiently.

 

[-Marauder-]

...of course his generation wasn't likely to be exposed to (almost constant) psychological triggers which are broadcast by the minute on television or available in videogames, the internet and other entertainment outlets.  I for one agree that there is something to what Mr. Fraser has to say but more so to the professionals and scientists who study these things. 

I personally will heed specialists like LCol Grossman and use the techniques he recommends to assist my soldiers (who are trained, unlike those kids) in overcoming any phychological hurdles they may face, rather than point out that they may be somehow made of weaker stuff than their grandfathers.

Cheers,

Mike

(Edit - Spelling, sorry.)

 

[Blackhorse7]

This situation clearly defines why we need Active Shooter Teams that are properly equipped.  It may not be the case in a place like Montreal, but in most large urban centres, the ERT Teams are on call members.  They can take hours to deploy.  Properly trained and equipped ACT's are already on the road, and can respond in minutes.

THIS WILL NOT BE THE LAST TIME SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS.

Lets properly train and equip our officers out on the road to deal with scum like this.

 

[COBRA-6]

+1 Blackhorse,

patrol carbines in every car, and plate carriers in every trunk, with the training to go with it.

 

[Yrys]

I  From what I have read about leasons learned after Columbine in particular, they did exactly the right thing, as opposed to setting up a cordon and waiting for the tactical team. 

From what Ive read, they modified the procedure of setting up a cordon after
the polytechnique tragedy where 14 young women died.

I have friends in Dawson, all fine. But at school today, one of my classmates
told one of her friend that she has a friend attending Dawson that was
beside the dead student. The friend was in shock, covered in blood.

Another schoolmate of me told me that she<s working part time in
Montreal General Hospital as a secretary, in orthopedic. She has friends working
in emergency...

One of my co-worker could not get hold of his girlfriend, who is a student of Dawson.
He called the police line and was told to go immediately to hospital. I can<t imagine
how he drive over there. Finally, his girlfriend was find, but was holding the hand of one
of her friends who got a bullet in her arm.

That is enough for me. No television, no radio, I<m hearing enough of the event
has it is...

To those that lived through it, may you find peace.

Tho the woman that died, RIP.

 

[IN HOC SIGNO]

Let's not belittle the work of psychologists folks. We are still helping those who wake up screaming from their WW2 trauma in our VA clinics and in the OTSSCs. Just because they didn't name it back in the day (because of stigma mostly) doesn't mean it didn't wound their souls and psyches.

 

[Blackhorse7]

In Hoc

+1 to that.  I don't know if I came off discrediting that line of work, that was not the intention.  People that do that keep me alive down the road. 

Off topic, I'll bring up an interesting point.  Two youths have recently been charged with a double homicide in Alberta.  They were frequent poster's to Vampirefreaks.com.  An ongoing investigation to which I cannot comment involved death threats which were again, posted on Vampirefreaks.com.  And now this. 

It's unfortunate that these incidents are all being traced back to one website, but the coincidences cannot be denied.  I would be nice to see subjects who frequent that site to police themselves, and report possible dangerous behavior to local authorities.  I cannot help but feel that if someone had called local Police and advised that there was a subject one the site posing with weapons and speaking his disdain for society, that the Montreal shootings may have been avoided.

 

[Black Watch]

24 hours later, I'm still shocked by what happened, being a former Dawson student myself..

 

[TCBF]

Courage and Skill:  The MUC Police actions.

Luck: The fact that the MUC Police were there.

Very seldom do the police get to actually stop a killing.  Not their fault - they would love to be able to, but they can only be in one place at a time.

Fact is, police exist to protect SOCIETY, individuals are responsible for their own protection.

So, have we provided enough tools for women to protect themselves?  If one woman in the area of initial contact had been allowed legal CCA, would the death toll have been less?

 

[FredDaHead]

So, have we provided enough tools for women to protect themselves?  If one woman in the area of initial contact had been allowed legal CCA, would the death toll have been less?

I think you got Dawson's College and Polytechnique confused there.

Do we need to protect women against random shootings (yes the only death is a female, but nobody said this guy was only targeting women) or do we need to protect the population as a whole against random shootings?

I don't see how doing anything more for women to protect themselves would change anything in a random shooting like this one, but we need to allow the population to have the tools at their disposal to take care of things like that. The problem is finding balance between, say, allowing people to carry concealed weapons, and not having those weapons used in crimes.

I find that treating women as poor, defenseless victims not only is an insult to women, but it's an insult to men as well. Since people started having this mindset that women must be protected at all costs (even if it infringes on freedom), men are considered evil murderous sex offenders. Heck, a woman can beat a man up and HE'll go to prison if he calls the cops!

I guess my whole point is that focusing on protecting the poor defenseless women sheep is a very, very bad decision to make. What we need is to prevent or treat antisocial behaviour, detect and take care of psychiatric cases, and have gun legislation that actually helps with preventing crime, or gun legislation that doesn't preclude legitimate use and possession of weapons just so the sheeple can feel better about themselves.

 

[Meridian]

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Very seldom do the police get to actually stop a killing.  Not their fault - they would love to be able to, but they can only be in one place at a time.

Fact is, police exist to protect SOCIETY, individuals are responsible for their own protection.

Good point.  Very good point. Ive been asking that a lot since I've heard so many witness accounts of people "hiding and laying down as he passed by" and essentially reports of being right behind the guy.  I'm still trying to understand how not one person tried to take the guy out.  I recognize a lot of psychology comes into play, but come on.  people saw him pulling out the gun out of his vehicule....  They just watched, and got on TV later and said how scared they were.

 

[Blackhorse7]

Unless you are trained to do what needs to be done, or are one of those rare people who have the unknown genetics to step up to the plate and do something, I don't think it's fair to say "why didn't someone do something."

Fight or flight reaction.

The simple fact of evolution is that our "Fight" reaction has evolved, in a protected society to a largely "Flight" reaction.  Nothing wrong with that, nobody wants to live in constant fear that they may have to defend their lives at any given moment.  Thank God, or whomever you worship that this did not turn out worse. 

I would never encourage an unarmed, untrained civilian to take on a goal orientated criminal.  As a trained Police Officer, the motto is "one plus one".  He pulls a knife, you pull a gun.  There is one weapon, there is probably two.  One suspect, there is likely two. 

That's what we as soldiers, police officers, fire and EMT members worry about, so that the general public doesn't have to.