Paid parking DND property

[Remius]

The school with huge "NO PARKING" signs that tickets and/or tows people who park there?

Where?

Never heard of that before.  I could be mistaken, and I hope so.

The daycare also tickets and/or tows.

Even the Junior Ranks' Mess only has two parking spaces, and they will ticket and/or tow people who park there without receiving a parking pass from the Mess Manager.

Crispy, the school only tows during school days and hours.  The lot that is chained off has no access but right by the school are dozens of spots that are used every Tuesday and Thursday night and weekends and bosses night so don't give out misleading info.  Yes there are signs but they never tow outside those hours.

The day care is the same thing.  During weekdays 7 to 5 they'll tow.  No one is there after those hours to complain.  Next time you parade look how many cars are parked there.

City of ottawa parking spots on lisgar and Cartier are free evenings and weekends. 

The only people that regularly tow on tues Thursday and weekends are the commissionaires if you take their spot, the mess if you don't register and if park in the fire lane and even then that often gets overlooked. 

 

[Remius]

I note you keep bypassing the fact these parking lots are owned and paid for by taxpayers, they are not the same as the downtown parkades like I use sometimes when I go to MEC on Granville.  BIG difference.

It still has a value.  That's what the tax man wants.  My taxes helped build frank Clair stadium but I still need to pay to get in.  It does not matter if the tax payer pays for it or if it's Telus like in that article, it is still subject to the income tax as it is considered a taxable benefit because of its value.

Your salary still has tax taken off despite you being a taxpayer. Same goes with employer provided parking.

And in fact, many new government leases or ones being renewed are no longer including parking.  The owners are free to charge but the government is getting out of that because of the tax implications.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Then let me opt out of paying to build them. 8)

regardless, its getting the shaft and being asked to smile about it.  Like I said, Jacob and Ebenezer would be proud.

 

[Remius]

Then let me opt out of psying to build them. 8)

Hey, I'd love to opt out of union dues, school taxes and paying fees to go fishing but I doubt I'll get my wish.

My points are this: this is a CRA, income tax act thing that has been around for a while that DND has been called on.  It is not a benefit claw back because it was never an entitlement.  Sucks yes but it is what it is.  My reaction is how somehow we should be exempt from it for whatever reason because we are CF.

I'd love to have free parking all the time but it won't happen either.  I'm in a good location now where my place of employment falls under the exceptions but, the leasing owner could change that as it isn't a DND owned building.  Rumours are they are thinking of it so I ll have to suck it up or find someplace else to work.

 

[PMedMoe]

It's parking. That's what you are paying for.  To park your car.  Not to work.  How you get to work is your own problem not the employer.  Just like having to pay for your own gas to get to work or pay for a shiny bike to do the same, it's part of the cost that you decide to undertake to get to your place of employment. It has a value and if it is provided free of charge, the government sees that as value added for what you are being compensated for. 

If it is such an injustice write to your MP about how unfair it is.  Just make sure that you have a solid point as to why the CF should be exempt when every other Canadian isn't.

:goodpost:

I'd sooner pay for parking and be exempt from paying the "health care benefit".

 

[Crispy Bacon]

On a related note, one of the recent Ottawa *rumours* is that the Ottawa Nortel Campus move will result in the campus becoming the "Ottawa Base" and thus exempt members in Ottawa from paying parking. Can anyone give any credibility to that, or if it would even matter if they're beginning to crackdown on free parking?

 

[George Wallace]

On a related note, one of the recent Ottawa *rumours* is that the Ottawa Nortel Campus move will result in the campus becoming the "Ottawa Base" and thus exempt members in Ottawa from paying parking. Can anyone give any credibility to that, or if it would even matter if they're beginning to crackdown on free parking?

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Crantor.....He is all yours.

 

[RedcapCrusader]

Citing unlimited liability was really grasping at straws.  However, when did parking suddenly become such an revenue generating necessity of the Government.  That is BS.  That is just another form of Taxation.  Next we will have to start paying to access to get into our offices through turnstiles.  Seriously, what employer charges their employees fees to come to work?  Is this in fact some sort of "Leftie Green plot" to cut down on Green House Gases?  (That may not be grasping at straws as ridiculous as it sounds.)  This TB policy is really ridiculous in its application to ALL DND and CAF installations/locations.

Alberta Health Services requires me to pay parking, something like $135 a year. If I choose not park on an AHS lot, I still have to pay a parking maintenance fee of $56 per year.

 

[OldSolduer]

I pay for parking at jail - about $130 per year.

Someone has to pay for the parking lot and it's maintenance.

 

[McG]

On a related note, one of the recent Ottawa *rumours* is that the Ottawa Nortel Campus move will result in the campus becoming the "Ottawa Base" and thus exempt members in Ottawa from paying parking.

Whether DND calls it "Ottawa Base" or any other label has no bearing on the matter.  Is there commercial parking in the area that would compete with free parking on at the new HQ?  If there is, then expect to pay.  Is the base isolated in such a way that the only reasonable access requires DND to provide parking?  If this is the case, then expect it to be free.

 

[Crispy Bacon]

Whether DND calls it "Ottawa Base" or any other label has no bearing on the matter.  Is there commercial parking in the area that would compete with free parking on at the new HQ?  If there is, then expect to pay.  Is the base isolated in such a way that the only reasonable access requires DND to provide parking?  If this is the case, then expect it to be free.

IMO, I'd expect it to be free then.

 

[Remius]

IMO, I'd expect it to be free then.

Keep in mind when Nortel was Nortel at its height, OC transpo serviced that area quite well and that infrastructure is likely still there.  With potentially thousands of people moving there, the bus service will likely return.  A lot of factors like that will likely go into that decision (DND will not be the ones making though but will likely make whatever case if they have one).  Not a lot of commercial parking in the area but monthly rates in the area probably hover around the 50$ a month rate.

In my mind, that location might qualify for an exemption.  I wonder if parking at the JDS building has a fee or if it is provided for given its location.

 

[George Wallace]

Keep in mind when Nortel was Nortel at its height, OC transpo serviced that area quite well and that infrastructure is likely still there.  With potentially thousands of people moving there, the bus service will likely return.  A lot of factors like that will likely go into that decision (DND will not be the ones making though but will likely make whatever case if they have one).  Not a lot of commercial parking in the area but monthly rates in the area probably hover around the 50$ a month rate.

In my mind, that location might qualify for an exemption.  I wonder if parking at the JDS building has a fee or if it is provided for given its location.

With Connaught basically right across the street, and Shirley's Bay just down the road past it, it will be interesting as to what decision is made.

 

[Remius]

With Connaught basically right across the street, and Shirley's Bay just down the road past it, it will be interesting as to what decision is made.

And the impact it could have.  Free parking at Connaught but pay parking at Nortel.  I could see a lot of people parking at connaught and biking or running into work from there if that was the case.

Even still, I'd bet that parking at Nortel will be less than a bus pass and significantly less than the 200$ a month average in downtown Ottawa.

 

[kratz]

Since the parking policy is coming into effect in September, this could be a part of the Admiral's new alcohol policy,

to be announced in the fall as well.    / :sarcasm:

 

[armchair_throwaway]

Admittedly, I haven't read the entire thread.  That said, I haven't seen here or in the media coverage anything saying where the money will go.  Consolidated Revenue Fund?

Are all government departments going to be subject to this policy?  I find it hard to believe that the Taj Mahal....errrr, I mean new CSIS building will be a pay parking zone.  Could happen, but I'd be surprised.

Then you may be even more surprised that many departments have been subjected to paid parking for years already, and Taj will not be the exception. In fact, There's such a lack of parking some people are willing to pay more than market price just to get to work by car.

 

[sandyson]

For people who now pay for parking, how much and where are you paying.
On Bishop's U campus (Sherbrooke) the annual cost is $170.00.  For retired personnel it's free, but it's a taxable benefit and so the cost by default is at least $60.00 and the University doesn't get it.
DND doesn't provide parking for the local units, with the exception of about a half dozen spots for the VIPs.

 

[Remius]

For people who now pay for parking, how much and where are you paying.
On Bishop's U campus (Sherbrooke) the annual cost is $170.00.  For retired personnel it's free, but it's a taxable benefit and so the cost by default is at least $60.00 and the University doesn't get it.
DND doesn't provide parking for the local units, with the exception of about a half dozen spots for the VIPs.

Well in the NCR it varies (and litterally it can be a 30-40 dollar difference per month based on what block you park at downtown).  The average is 200$ a month like at City Hall.  The further out you go the less it is in most cases.  LSTL building in gatineau and the area around like at the Casino or Canadian tire i think is around 80$ a month.  All subject to availability and wait lists. 

170$ a year is like 50cents a day...

 

[upandatom]

I pay for parking at jail - about $130 per year.

Someone has to pay for the parking lot and it's maintenance.

So your paying to get to work??
yeah no thanks,

Why pay for someone else to not work sit at home smoke weed and drink everyday with a new iphone and fresh ink, meanwhile here I could be paying for a parking pass to go to said job that pays for those slugs and lazy F#$s, Next please.

The ridiculous tax rates we pay as Canadians are out to lunch for the services we really do get.
Im proud to be Canadian, but it is disheartening to see thousands of dollars a year of my hard earned money going to pay some dickhead desk jockey in Ottawa who does a decade long half assed job at a seat in parliament, getting a damn pension (which is near 5 times mine after 25 years of PS), and to the abysmal Quebec We are poor relief fund.

 

[George Wallace]

So your paying to get to work??
yeah no thanks,

Why pay for someone else to not work sit at home smoke weed and drink everyday with a new iphone and fresh ink, meanwhile here I could be paying for a parking pass to go to said job that pays for those slugs and lazy F#$s, Next please.

The ridiculous tax rates we pay as Canadians are out to lunch for the services we really do get.
Im proud to be Canadian, but it is disheartening to see thousands of dollars a year of my hard earned money going to pay some dickhead desk jockey in Ottawa who does a decade long half assed job at a seat in parliament, getting a damn pension (which is near 5 times mine after 25 years of PS), and to the abysmal Quebec We are poor relief fund.

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