Pay Raise For Fiscal Year 2006

[GAP]

"IT IS NOT POSSIBLE AT THIS TIME TO ANNOUNCE THE
GSO/PILOT/NCM PAY ADJUSTMENT AND IT WILL LIKELY NOT BE POSSIBLE TO
DO SO BEFORE FALL 06. "


Am I blind? That quote specifically points out that staff officers will receive their raises much later   :

 

[jc5778]

A little funny how they can never seem to give us our pay raise on time.  I'm sure the politicians get theirs on time, staff officers too.  Oh well, bigger chunk in the end, just like last year.  Hopefully it doesn't go as long as last time though.

Wow, no disrespect intended boys and girls, I actually meant to put a after the post.  We all a little testy today?

 

[Inch]

FYI, the "GSOs" referred to in the message are probably mostly staff officers.  As am I.  I have yet to receive the pay increase.  Just to clear up any misconceptions that the officers are getting their pay raise before the troops (although, by tradition, the NCMs eat first whilst the officers get paid first).

GSO stands for General Service Officer, IE if you are an officer, LCol or below and not a pilot, JAG, medical or dental officer, then you are a GSO. So infantry officers, LogOs, Armoured, Air Navigators, etc are all GSOs.

There are not separate pay tables for staff officers vs line officers.

The last line of the CANFORGEN:

BY CDS DIRECTION, IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SNR OFFRS INCREASE WILL NOT OCCUR UNTIL WE ARE IN A POSITION TO FIRST IMPLEMENT THE GSO/PILOT/NCM PAY INCREASE

Clear enough?

 

[Loachman]

Pilots are still GSOs, even though we have a separate pay scale.

Definitions from DAOD 5002 (The only ones that I could find on the DIN in an admittedly cursory search):

GSOs are employed "normally in positions relating to their military occupation, especially at the lower rank levels".

Specialist Officers (Chaplain, Medical, Legal, Dental etc) are employed "exclusively in positions relating to their military occupation".

 

[Inch]

Pilots are still GSOs, even though we have a separate pay scale.

Definitions from DAOD 5002 (The only ones that I could find on the DIN in an admittedly cursory search):

GSOs are employed "normally in positions relating to their military occupation, especially at the lower rank levels".

Specialist Officers (Chaplain, Medical, Legal, Dental etc) are employed "exclusively in positions relating to their military occupation".

That is correct, I was pointing out the pay scales however, which do make a distinction between GSOs, Pilots, Jags, and MedOs/DentOs.

From the CBI definition for GSO:

(1) (Application) This instruction applies to an officer in the rank of lieutenant-general, major-general, brigadier-general, colonel, lieutenant-colonel, major or captain, other than an officer paid under

-CBI 204.214 (Pay - Officers - Navigators);
-CBI 204.215 (Pay - Officers - Pilots - Lieutenant-colonel, Major and Captain);
-CBI 204.216 (Pay – Medical Officers);
-CBI 204.217(Pay – Dental Officers); or
-CBI 204.218 (Pay - Officers - Legal).
-who holds a position to which the officer is appointed by the Governor in Council.

http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/cbi/engraph/home_e.asp?sidesection=6&Section=204.20&sidecat=21&Chapter=204#204.20

 

[ModlrMike]

The delays have nothing to do with the CF and everything to do with the PS. There are 6 or 8 bargaining units in the PS that have to come to terms with TB before anything can be done on behalf of the CF.

 

[reccecrewman]

These raises only amount to a few dollars a pay.  I don't mind retroactive because my budget is set at my income I make now, so a couple hundred bucks unexpected is always nice.

Regards

 

[Remius]

The delays have nothing to do with the CF and everything to do with the PS. There are 6 or 8 bargaining units in the PS that have to come to terms with TB before anything can be done on behalf of the CF.

Yep.  And then the CF has to deal with the Treasury Board.  Rumour has it, that's where they are right now.  But a friend of a friend of a friend who know's somebody says so.  So it must be true, right?

 

[dapaterson]

Last I heard was TB and the CF were arguing over 0.8% (the CF was arguing that the increase should be 0.8% more than the increase offered by TB). On the individual level, it's not much, but across the whole of the CF it's real money, hence the delay.

 

[Remius]

Last I heard was TB and the CF were arguing over 0.8% (the CF was arguing that the increase should be 0.8% more than the increase offered by TB). On the individual level, it's not much, but across the whole of the CF it's real money, hence the delay.

Ah I see you've been talking to my friend of a friend who knows somebody. 

 

[dapaterson]

More of a friend who just left DPPD and is extremely relieved that he will have nothing to do with TB for the rest of his natural life... 

 

[Spr.Earl]

I just want to see what I may expect for my service since  76 as a memeber of the Miltia and what I have too buy back for the Pension.
Oh I get it they are waiting for us old fart's to die off!
WRONG!!!!
There is loads of us about!!

 

[17thRecceSgt]

These raises only amount to a few dollars a pay.  I don't mind retroactive because my budget is set at my income I make now, so a couple hundred bucks unexpected is always nice.

Regards

Always better than a kick in the a$$ with a frozen mukluk!

 

[techie]

Last I heard was TB and the CF were arguing over 0.8% (the CF was arguing that the increase should be 0.8% more than the increase offered by TB). On the individual level, it's not much, but across the whole of the CF it's real money, hence the delay.

That %0.8 means an increase of $19.37 a month for a Pte(base) which works out to an extra 232.44 a year. After lets say 36% tax rate means only a Net increase of about $148.76.

 

[17thRecceSgt]

That %0.8 means an increase of $19.37 a month for a Pte(base) which works out to an extra 232.44 a year. After lets say 36% tax rate means only a Net increase of about $148.76.

Umm, maybe I had too much sun today but I don't think Pte's are paying 36% tax....I know I didn't last tax season.  But...I get what you are saying.  I think the % is about...10% higher than I would make it.

 

[techie]

its 31% tax  in ontario(16 federal, 15 provincal)

 

[17thRecceSgt]

roger that (ouch).  ;D

 

[Inch]

its 31% tax  in ontario(16 federal, 15 provincal)

Uh, no.

Federal low tax bracket is 15.25% and Ontario low tax bracket is 6.05% for a total of 21.3%. High tax bracket for federal is 26% (from $72,756 to $118,285) and Ontario's high tax bracket is 11.16% on any amount over $69,517 for a total of 37.16%.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/faq/taxrates-e.html

 

[17thRecceSgt]

Uh, no.

Federal low tax bracket is 15.25% and Ontario low tax bracket is 6.05% for a total of 21.3%. High tax bracket for federal is 26% (from $72,756 to $118,285) and Ontario's high tax bracket is 11.16% on any amount over $69,517 for a total of 37.16%.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tax/individuals/faq/taxrates-e.html

Phew!  I was about to change my posting pref's.  ;D

 

[Sub_Guy]

I hate doing this, but the latest and greatest at my place of employment pegs the raise at approx 5%...............  I guess there is divisions in ESQ this morning, and someone mentioned that it was going to be mentioned there...



As for everything, I never believe it unless it is on paper.........