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Political impacts of Ukraine war


If that was the case then he might want to take it up with his State Department. It was done not just with the complicity of George C. Marshall but with his active encouragement. The Americans were some of the loudest opponents of Brexit because it would harm the European Project.

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“It all began in Washington,”

Donald Trump is right that the EU has engaged in semi-disguised mercantilism for decades, free-riding on the American consumer rather than generating its own demand.

He is right that Europe has exported its manufacturing unemployment to the US by means of invisible tax, fiscal and currency policies, hollowing out the rust belt industries of the Ohio Valley.

He is right too to choke on Europe’s regulatory imperialism, or what EU enthusiasts rapturously call the “Brussels Effect”.

Did the European Commission think it could ram the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) down everyone’s throats without inviting a backlash? If you wish to be top dog, you had better be sure that you are not dependent on a foreign superpower for your energy, defence and political survival.

Trump is nevertheless wrong about the origins of the EU. “The European Union was formed in order to screw the United States. That’s the purpose of it,” he told his cabinet.

Actually, the EU was an American project created to “screw” Russia. Declassified documents show that Washington pushed European integration from the late 1940s onwards, funding it covertly from Truman through to Nixon until the proto-EU was strong enough to stand on its own feet.

Euro-Godfather Jean Monnet lived in America and served as the eyes and ears of Franklin Roosevelt back in Europe during the early 1940s. Charles de Gaulle considered him a US agent.

President Truman threatened to cut off Marshall Aid in September 1950 unless the French agreed to kiss and make up with post-war Germany.

The Schuman Declaration, the founding text of the coal and steel community, was largely cooked up by US secretary of state Dean Acheson in Foggy Bottom. “It all began in Washington,” said Robert Schuman’s chief of staff.

The purpose was obvious. The US needed a rearmed and cohesive Western Europe as a bulwark against Sino-Soviet expansion.

Stalin had violated Yalta by gobbling up Czechoslovakia in 1948. Two years later North Korea crossed the 38th Parallel and invaded the South, triggering a war that pushed US military spending to 11pc of GDP – orders of magnitude greater than the modest sums spent on US forward defence in Ukraine.

As this newspaper first reported in 2000, state department files reveal that US intelligence funded the European movement secretly for decades.

It was an arms-length operation run by veterans of wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA.

One document shows how it paid most of the European Movement’s budget in 1958, treating some of the EU’s early “founding fathers” as hired hands. It engaged in skulduggery.

A candidate for Kennedy's USAID programs.
 
All Russians dead.

Actually if you track Russians combat power and the fact that they are now starting to drop, the only reason Putin is talking is that he is aware that his house of cards in getting very precarious.



Lots of Russians get to go home above ground.


Putin swings at The Hague.





Russia is actually losing on the ground. They have hit a point where they cannot use their glide bombs well, due to their jamming that is keeping some of the less advanced Ukrainian weapons from taking huge swathes of Russians out.

Russian ground control is being decreased - slowly
  • Russian troop numbers are down.
  • Russian material is in the shitter.
  • Russia has gotten MORE NK troops this week, and more NK equipment. Winning recipe right?

So no Russia getting something shouldn’t be on the table, unless you want to encourage China on Tawain.

I've asked this before. Then what?

If Russia disappears as an entity and China expands north to the arctic and east to the Urals, likely securing Mongolia and the Stans along the way, then what?

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The US has never been in a position to take on all-comers. It has always needed both allies and enemies of enemies to cut "The Enemy" into bite-sized pieces. Hence the rapprochement with Stalin. Hence the rapprochement with both Chiang Kai Shek under Roosevelt and Mao Tse Tung under Nixon.
 
I think there is a greater strategic consideration being ignored by the hard naysayers here. And that is countering China. At this point none of us on this forum know the negotiations or details that will emerge in this "deal".
What is your reasoning for believing China is a greater threat than Russia?
 
by rolling over for russia. And the war only ends if Ukraine agrees to end the war. He can't force them to stop fighting.

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I think this statement is whiney whataboutism designed to make trump look like he's standing up to putin when in reality he conceded on russias two big demands before the talks had even started.
If anyone thinks Russia will stop in Eastern Ukraine, they're delusional. After reconstitution, it'd be Kyiv, then Lviv, then the Baltics.
 
What is your reasoning for believing China is a greater threat than Russia?

There are plenty of open source references to the CCP problem. The Russian problem does not exist for us on a scale that is remotely close to the CCP problem within our own government, all of academia, and every industry.

Putin is a threat, but mainly to the EU. The CCP is our problem right now.
 
And it's really easy to criticize them when peace is only going to mean Russian re-arming.
Of course Russia will re-arm, having written down so much equipment and ammunition.

And what will everyone else do? Nothing, or contribute toward making a future bite of Ukraine too unpleasant for Russia to contemplate?

NATO and the west have been slowly winning, with setbacks along the way, since at least 1939.
 
Why China?


The Trump administration is thought to view China, not Russia, as the gravest threat to the United States and Europe in the long-term, having declared in the 2017 National Security Strategy that it is a “revisionist” power that seeks “to erode American security and prosperity”. China’s Belt and Road initiative is widely seen as a disguised attempt to secure control of future land and sea routes, by laying out massive transport, energy, and telecommunication infrastructure across the Eurasian landmass.

The militarisation of this critical infrastructure, ostensibly being built for commercial purposes, is almost inevitable, given China’s declared ambitions to replace the US as the world’s dominant economic and military power by 2049 – the centenary of the People’s Republic of China’s founding. The Trump administration has every incentive to undo China’s Grand Strategy.

Team Trump may well have concluded that this can only be achieved through radical changes to US foreign policy elsewhere. In the first instance, it necessitates cutting the West’s losses in Ukraine and conserving US combat power to deter Beijing. US officials seem to have realised that Putin is prepared and willing to fight, at almost any cost to Russia, until the last surviving Ukrainian and until the last missile is left in the West’s stockpiles.

The US has depleted its arsenal to dangerous levels in several key systems. Neither the US nor European defence industries currently have the extra capacity to scale up production to a sufficient degree. The US military also trails Russia and China in hypersonic missiles and its nuclear arsenal is in need of modernisation, while Beijing wants to triple the size of its nuclear stockpile by 2035.

A peace deal in Ukraine might have the benefit of giving Nato members the breathing space – as well as the incentive – to finally re-focus their economies towards defence, so that they can meet Trump’s call for 5 per cent of GDP to be spent on their militaries. On Tuesday, Starmer committed to increase UK defence spending to 2.5 per cent of GDP, up from 2.3 per cent now. Others are likely to follow suit. A rearmed Nato would serve as a much stronger deterrent against both Russia and China in the long-term, minimising the chances that Putin might attack a Nato country in the future.

Even a frosty rapprochement between Russia and the West would, meanwhile, create an opportunity for Trump to start breaking apart the Sino-Russian alliance. Russia and China are not the natural strategic partners they want us to believe they are. While Moscow’s leaders never publicly acknowledge this, the Kremlin fears China, which has been growing in military and economic strength relative to Russia. Moscow and Beijing have a turbulent history, a centuries-long territorial dispute, and a 2,600 mile border in the Far East that Russian military leaders consider to be undefendable except with nuclear weapons.

In 2010,
during my service as a DIA intelligence officer, a senior retired Russian military officer admitted that China was a “nightmare” for Russia from a military standpoint. He echoed a reported admission by the former Chief of the Russian General Staff, Nikolai Makarov, that China was Russia’s second greatest security threat, after the US and Nato.

Perhaps sensing that Trump might manage to end the Sino-Russian marriage of convenience, Beijing has sought to insert itself into the Ukraine peace process
by offering, through intermediaries, to serve as a broker, facilitating peace talks and a summit between Putin and Trump, according to the Wall Street Journal. Speaking with Putin on Monday, Xi called Russia a “true friend” and “good neighbour.

But Trump is likely to have another card to play: Putin’s uneasiness about Russia’s alliance with Iran, one of the other spokes of the so-called Axis of Authoritarians alongside Beijing. While it would never publicly admit it, the Kremlin is unlikely to be in favour of Tehran having operational nuclear capability, particularly given the irrational behaviour of its leaders, who regularly threaten to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

Already, the ground seems to be shifting in favour of a significant change in the Middle East. It is unlikely to be a coincidence that, on Monday, Israel voted with the United States against a UN motion highly critical of Russia.

European leaders would have cause for concern on one count. Trump may be preparing to signal to Putin that he is content with Russia serving as the dominant power in Eurasia, as long as it doesn’t invade a Nato country. By having direct talks with Russia and excluding Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky, at least for the time being, Trump has already played on Putin’s sense of vanity, Russian national pride, and Moscow’s long-term sense of being a great power that deserves a seat at the table with the big boys.

The next stage would be to directly address a long-held Russian anxiety. For more than a quarter of a century, the Kremlin’s threat perceptions have centred on an interpretation of the Brzezinski Doctrine, which former Jimmy Carter’s national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski summarised in his book The Grand Chessboard. The Russians concluded that Brzezinski’s insight – “he who controls Eurasia controls the world” – meant that Washington sought Russian containment and territorial fragmentation. The loss of the Cold War as a result of the US President Ronald Reagan’s containment strategy exacerbated those fears.

Peace in Ukraine, a reshuffle of alliances in the Middle East, and a new settlement with Russia would allow the United States to return to a version of the original Monroe Doctrine, refocusing on hemispheric defence and freeing Washington up to directly confront Beijing. Having renamed the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America, Trump is signalling to China to get out of the US sphere of influence and strategic security perimeter.

The US would protect the Western Hemisphere – North, Central, and South America, including the surrounding islands. Russia would dominate Eurasia. Europe would look after itself. And with US assistance, Japan, Australia and South Korea would, within a Joint Deterrence Force framework, take the lead in ensuring stability in the Indo-Pacific.

Could this be Trump’s latest Art of the Deal? We may be about to find out.

Rebekah Koffler is a strategic military intelligence analyst, formerly with the US Defense Intelligence Agency. She is the author of ‘Putin’s Playbook’, Regnery 2021. Her upcoming book ‘Trump’s Playbook’ will be published by Australia’s Wilkinson Publishing in spring 2025. Rebekah’s podcast Trump’s Playbook is running on her channel Censored But Not Silenced and is available on most social media platforms @Rebekah0132.

Who knows?

Other presidents and kings have started wars for political ends and created chaos, with millions of people killed. So far we can say that Trump has created chaos. Nobody has died as a result, yet.

Russia as a client state? A client of China? Or the US? Backed by US banks with US mining companies or by the Chinese government and Chinese mining companies?

What are words worth?

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How are the Brits dealing with Trump?

Do not bite on everything Mr Trump says.


As beer cans fizzed open and Downing Street officials switched Oval Office suits for T-shirts on the flight back to Blighty on Thursday evening, there was little hiding the glee.

The White House tête-à-tête between Sir Keir Starmer and Donald Trump had carried real political jeopardy. UK officials admitted beforehand that unpredictability reigned.

And so smiles were beaming on No 10 faces after Mr Trump backed the Chagos deal, floated a tariff exemption for Britain and lavished praise on Sir Keir.

“Happy”
was the Prime Minister’s one-word summary as he briefly popped in to see the press pack at the back of the plane. His smile, plus a single raised thumb, hinted at more.

How had he done it? Sir Keir, the human rights lawyer from north London, a stickler for the rules who once lampooned Boris Johnson for having Mr Trump’s support, has struck up an unlikely bond with the most powerful man in the world, laying a firm foundation for the four years they are set to spend in office together.

Even Mr Trump said he was “surprised” at how well they got on, telling The Spectator it was the “best” meeting they’d had so far.

He fondly recalled they were enjoying each other’s company so much that their lunch overran, which is “always a good sign”.

Yes, much of the warmth was theatrical.
The grabbing of arms and exchanging of compliments; the nods to the long-standing special relationship that ties America and Britain so closely together; a general tone of geniality.

But these things matter in politics. Even more so with Mr Trump, an operator who British diplomats have deduced does his business to an unusual degree through the personal relationships he strikes.

In my dealing with Americans I found myself having to deal with their Japanese partners and owners. It was a bit of a culture shift from beer and burgers and fleece jackets. I learned how to hand my business card to the person across from with two hands while bowing. And that bowing was important. It was important to calibrate the bow - never subservient, never arrogant but also never giving an inch to your "opponent". And it was important to receive the other person's card with equal ceremony and ensure that you read it and acknowledged the person and their role.

Culture matters. And Trump's "culture" matters.

“God help Justin Trudeau,” as one UK source joked to make the point, with a nod to the outgoing Canadian prime minister, who the president demoted to “governor” in a waspish Truth Social post earlier this week.



There were also tangible policy wins for the UK, albeit ones with the details yet to be pencilled in. Sir Keir’s plan to give away the Chagos Islands to Mauritius was “powerful”, he said, undercutting Right-wingers who had argued Mr Trump was certain to kill the agreement.

A speedy trade deal focused on future technology not only looks likely to provide an early win for Sir Keir but Mr Trump also hinted, after hard bargaining by the Prime Minister, that the UK would win a sought after exemption from his much-discussed tariffs.

There were disappointments too. Security guarantees – in short, a promise that America would hit back if Russia attacked European peacekeepers sent into Ukraine to enforce any peace deal – was the top request from Sir Keir, but Mr Trump notably demurred in public.

He repeatedly declined to promise to provide a US “backstop” for the peacekeepers, though conceded after being pressed that he would always “help” British soldiers if needed. This reticence could yet prove the most significant element of the two leaders’ meeting.

The outcome was no accident. Rather, it was the result of a carefully orchestrated five-month charm offensive, much of it behind closed doors, with the aim of placating Mr Trump.

The seeds were planted in late September, when the hopes of a convicted former president pulling off a shock return to the White House were still hanging in the balance.

A private dinner overlooking the Manhattan skyline in Trump Tower – where else? – was the location picked for Sir Keir’s first face-to-face meeting with the then Republican nominee.

This was the start of what has become a point of much bemused fascination in Whitehall: That Sir Keir, knighted for services to the legal profession, and Mr Trump, a real estate mogul and TV star turned tub-thumping demagogue, genuinely seem to get on.

Why? There are theories. Some argue the Labour leader is a man not of hidden depths but hidden shallows, a working-class lad whose ideal Saturday is a pint in the pub with his mates before watching the Arsenal match. In other words, a blokiness that chimes with Mr Trump.

“They find each other easy to talk to,” mused one person who has seen them chat up close. “He likes that Keir has no pretension or affectation. He is very straightforward.”

Since that first meeting, there has been a call to congratulate Mr Trump after he beat Kamala Harris on Nov 5 and three more since he entered the White House on Jan 20.

Underpinning it all has been a critical decision by Sir Keir’s team, with advice from the Foreign Office and the Washington Embassy: Do not bite on everything Mr Trump says.

In this analysis, it was determined that the Prime Minister should be focused on what really matters in the UK-US relationship, and, just as importantly, what does not.

So when Mr Trump loosely talks about invading Denmark, do not issue castigating statements – instead, as Mr Lammy did, suggest when pressed that he might not really mean it.

Or when Mr Trump criticised Sir Keir in a social media post earlier this year for banning new North Sea oil drilling, do not push back hard in the hope it was a passing thought.

Or when Brussels indicates it is sharpening knives in the form of retaliatory action if a new trade war really is launched, keep your head down and aim to convince in private.

And a good amount of emollients, just like any good business discussion.

A Royal invitation​

The same deftness in the limelight came the following morning when Sir Keir sat blinking, cross-legged, alongside Mr Trump in the Oval Office as the press barrelled in.

In a move that it is hard to believe Sir Keir had not practised with his team, the Prime Minister produced the ace up his sleeve – a personal letter from the King.

The offer it contained was “unprecedented”, the Prime Minister said in hushed tones – an invitation to a second state UK visit, something no elected leader has ever enjoyed.
Gifts helped sweeten things further. A golf hat in the Trump family tartan and a set of Downing Street golf balls for him; a No 10 candle and Liberty scarf for Melania Trump.
Then there was the touching. Sir Keir at least three times gripped Mr Trump’s shoulder or forearm to make points. The US president reached out to clasp the Prime Minister’s hand. It was enough to make Mr Macron feel jealous.

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The most curious thing I find about the report that Keir and Donald get along is that Keir is a lawyer, a man of words. My sense of lawyers is that they have a reverence for words. Words are important. They have impact. They are sacrosanct. They must be understood for what they are and clearly defined. Donald Trump's understanding of words is something different. They can be selected rapidly, randomly even, and withdrawn if they are misunderstood or give offence. Or they can be wielded like weapons to push the other side off balance.

Much like words are used in families and in bars. Not in courts.

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Zelensky a dictator?

The US president, Donald Trump, denied calling the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, a dictator, despite calling him one on his social media platform, Truth Social. Trump was asked by a reporter if he still held that view in a press conference alongside the British prime minister, Keir Starmer, and he replied: 'Did I say that? I can't believe I said that'


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On the other hand, Trump makes a great sparring partner if you want to gin up support for an election campaign.
 
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Anyone watching this White House shit show between Trump and Zelensky…

Ends in a shouting match between them all on camera.
 
Anyone watching this White House shit show between Trump and Zelensky…

Ends in a shouting match between them all on camera.
Shocked Futurama GIF
 
Anyone watching this White House shit show between Trump and Zelensky…

Ends in a shouting match between them all on camera.


Most transparent POTUS ever. Most media access ever. You're seeing how the sausage is made without scripts or edits. You won't always like it.

But... are you not entertained?! :ROFLMAO:
 
Anyone watching this White House shit show between Trump and Zelensky…

Ends in a shouting match between them all on camera.
It’s the end of Ukraine.
Ira pretty clear Trump (1) doesn’t want to disappoint Putin and (2) Vance is about as anti Ukrainian as they come. For Vance it seems like border line hatred of Ukrainians.
 
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