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Re: Editorial: Carolyn Parrish on Afghanistan

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Carolyn Parrish is a disgrace to any one who serves this country.

She takes those rights and freedoms that many gave their lives for, and abuses them, and in turn makes all of us look bad.

Time to get her out of office and back into the real world, where she may actually learn something.

 
Ms. Parrish, even though being a liberal MP, and elected by persons of her constituency, and i have full respect for her, still seems unaware of what a military is. A military, even though it is the "new age", and with the "war on terror", is still an armed force which the government uses to represent the intrests of its country. General Hillier is a very intelligent person, and is quite reserved, he knows when to speak and when not to, he is well suited for CDS as he is able to be a politician as needed, he is still, fortunately, able to be a soldier, and is able to keep his troops in mind. It is not easy to please all, and it is for this reason we are a diplomatic country, and there will always be persons who disagree with national laws and opinions. Myself I feel that Mr. Hillier is doing his job as Chief of Defense Staff, by keeping the interests of Canada in mind and enforcing the laws and beliefs of Canada. We all know persons in the military, but all the people i know in the military pledge their full support to their CDS, We all know that being in the military is not easy, but it is a way of life which we chose when we pledged our oath to the Queen, and to protect Canada, If people in the military can not accept this duty, then did they lie when they swore upon the bible of solemnly acclaimed their allegiance to the Queen of Canada, and her successors ....?

        It all boils down to this.
            -We have a competent CDS, who would not send us on "useless missions and off to our deaths" unless there was a true threat to the Canadian way of life. If this were the case, he would not be CDS.
            - It is part of our commitment as members of the CF to go on these missions, if we did not agree or accept these consequences we would not have joined, and would still be members of the public.
            - Ms. Parish, we respect you as a Member of Parliament, but as bad as it may seem, being part of this military is part of our lives, and as many of others did, i swore upon the bible to protect My Country, and Its interests, and if General Rick Hillier decides, along with his many advisor's and the government of Canada, which was also elected by Canada, if he decides that we must go, then it is our duty to go, we are all soldiers, and we follow "the decisions from upon high".

Gen. Hillier..... :salute:  .... from me and all others with whom i serve with.
 
Haggis said:
I got one!!!

Thank you for a very eloquent description of the life of one of our very brave, very competent soldiers.   I've been to Bosnia, the Middle East and other hot spots.
Needlessly putting soldiers in danger to prop up an American appointed puppet government is a crying shame.

Sincerely,

Carolyn Parrish, M.P.
Mississauga-Erindale



Although I give her bonus points for replying, she didn't answer my questions.

Seems she's not a Karzai fan.  I'm curious to know what she thinks we should be doing (not that I really care).
 
I got an e-mail response

Congradulations on your career choice.  In fact, I have never denigrated our men
and women in uniform.  I resent when politicians unnecessarily put them in
harm's way.

Canada's last fifty years have been devoted to peacemaking, not attacking
hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians with bombs.

Stay safe.  There are many close to you who will die a thousand deaths every
time you're shipped out.  Getting at the roots of terrorism is much more
complicated than attacking Middle Eastern countries.  I hope one day we'll all
understand that.



Sincerely,



Carolyn Parrish, M.P.

Mississauga-Erindale
 
Futuretrooper said:
I got an e-mail response

is it just me, or does she sound a lot like a teacher scolding a student for having a different point of view ???
 
Just doesn't get it, does she.
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recceguy said:
Just doesn't get it, does she.
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Ignorance is bliss I guess.

Besides, we all enlisted to defend the rights of Canadians, including the right to be ignorant.  ;D
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I resent the way a pompous politician can be so disrespectful of the CDS. A Solider that has given his whole adult life to the service of his country and protecting the very people that oppose this deployment.  :salute:

As a minimum Ms Parrish need to apologise to Gen Hillier for her rude personal remarks about him. Anyone wanna bet when that will happen.
 
Chimo, I got a bet for you: NEVER. It seems in this country, if you slag a politician, you gotta apologize for it, but if you choose to slag a military officer, in this case, the CDS, its fair game. Sad really.
 
Excuse the length of this, but I don't want to lose anything. I sure some have read it before. Maybe our politicians will also.

ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS
By LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER, Ph.D.,author of "On Killing."

Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself.

The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.

Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep. I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.

"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed

Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.

But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely  to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.

Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."

Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?

Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.

Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.

There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population. There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.

Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was
honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was
the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an
operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal
to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible
evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke

Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.

If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.? They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.

Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.

Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.

Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."

Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.

And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... "Baa."

This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.


 
As my sig line says
â Å“Make yourself sheep and the wolves will eat you.â ?
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

2 Questions
1.  What's Parrishes email
2.  Any chance we can get permission to post this on every newpaper editorial
 
disregard email 1.

Lets just say that I just made it easier for key officials to see it.
 
Excellent Read... Thanks for posting it.

Cheers
 
parrish is fried.i like hillier seems like he got a set, time will tell.
 
Futuretrooper said:
I got an e-mail response:
"Canada's last fifty years have been devoted to peacemaking, not attacking
hundreds of thousands of unarmed civilians with bombs."
This just validates my perception of her ignorance on what the military does & how we operate.
 
bubba said:
parrish is fried.i like hillier seems like he got a set, time will tell.

Maybe I'm harping rather than discussing, but: while I'm certainly not Carolyn Parrish's defender â “ even if she wanted one, I'm not at all sure she is 'fried.'

Ms. Parrish's views re: US foreign policy, President Bush, General Hillier or the next Afghanistan mission may not sit well with many of us but they are not outside the Canadian mainstream.  She may be closer to the centre of Canadian socio-political thought or opinion than many, probably most of us here on army.ca.

Ms. Parrish, like all Canadians, is entitled to her views â “ surely, one of the things we* are defending is the right of Canadians to hold and voice whatever political opinions they choose.  Free speech is never more in need of defence than when it is unpopular.

Ms. Parrish put herself up for election; the voters of her riding selected her â “ out of a field of several candidates.  Some of those candidates would, almost certainly, find greater favour with me â “ maybe with you too â “ than Ms. Parrish, but most** of the people who came out to vote in Mississauga-Erindale in 2004 didn't see it that way; they chose her.  That gives her a special right, over and above that accorded to all other Canadians, like you and me, to propagate her views.  We don't have to like her views; we don't have to like or respect her, as a person; we should respect the fact that she has been chosen, by the people, to serve.

(I'm certain that a fair number of soldiers, NCOs and officers disliked me, personally â “ some probably fairly intensely; some did not hold me in high professional esteem; that did not prevent them from saluting smartly, saying 'Sir,' and getting on with the task of obeying my orders because they put aside their dislike and their considered views on my competence and respected the office to which I had been appointed.  I do the same with Ms. Parrish and every other elected person in Canada â “ even the ones I am pretty certain are crooks.  I recommend it as a general policy, it avoids all manner of heartburn.  I recall being proved very wrong about a senior officer I despised; one I admired turned out to have feet of clay and morals to match; live and learn.)

I believe Canadians can and should disagree strongly but civilly with many (most, in my case) of the views Ms. Parrish has expressed on foreign and defence policy related areas.  I believe soldiers should do that while affirming their responsibility to protect her rights to think and say what she does â “ muddled as her thoughts and words may be.

My guess is that Ms. Parrish is likely to be re-elected without difficulty in the next general election.  My guess is that the Liberals will run a rope-a-dope candidate against her in return for her continued loyalty in parliament.  The PM may even drop a few goodies in her riding if the NDP or Tories field a strong challenger.

So, I don't think being fried is anywhere on Ms. Parrish's horizon.  I will continue to criticize what she says and the way she says it because I disagree with both.  I will try to do so in a civil, even respectful manner.

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* Many of you, actually â “ I just cheer from the well shaded sidelines, comfortably settled on a soft, wide seat, pink gin in hand, etc.

** 28,000+ of the voters against 23,000+ for all the other candidates combined (see: http://www.elections.ca/scripts/OVR2004/default.html )
 
After reading and listening to the CDS speak about the
Canadian Soldiers going overseas and the mission they
are undertaking, his words were strong and to the
point.
He is sending his troops on a  war like mission. I
think Canadian should take his speech to heart and
realize there well maybe wounded and dead soldiers
coming home. Canadian soldiers train well, do a great
job with the equipment, the rules they are given to
operate under.

Independent MP Carolyn Parrish her speech undermines
the training, shows a lack of faith and a lack of
respect for the Canadian Soldiers on this mission.
Maybe she needs to be put on point and made to walk
the talk. The CDS is a very frank, outspoken soldier
and the PMO knew that  before they hired him. He has
done the walk, and can do the talk. This MP wanting to
create headlines is just a want to be.
Good luck Troops, and good hunting
 
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