Ok so I was recently accepted to have a 4yr bachelors degree subsidized by the military which is awesome! However, I am in air cadets (yes I know laugh it up) anyways I was also accepted to get my glider license this summer for 6 weeks. Which as far as i'm concerned is also pretty awesome. The only issue is the recruiter says I can't do both, which as far as i'm concerned is kinda bs cause I worked hard and earned both and as far as I know neither one conflicts with the schedule of the other. I did read some where that you can stay in cadets until you finish you BMQ if any one knows anything about this subject at all it would really help!! Thanks in advance!
ROTP or Glider Pilot Scholarship??
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From what I've seen on this board, no one is going to laugh at you because you're in Cadets. I'm pretty sure that more than a few started their interest in the CF because of the Cadet organization. However, picking a 6-week Cadet course, even a coveted flying one, over 4 years of subsidized education would be....short-sighted, to say the least.
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Now to be "harsh".
Time to grow up and set your priorities.
Time to grow up and set your priorities.
Nathan05, while you did work hard for both, they don't owe it to you to let you do both. You have to decide, and I'm pretty sure there is a scheduling conflict anyway because of the recruit camp thing in August. Obviously, it would be more fun if you could do both, but you can't. You have two options:
Take the ROTP and start your military career, possibly getting some license on your own time/money.
Decline ROTP and do GPS, and try again for ROTP next year.
I have to tell you though, glider was fun. I had a great time and met some awesome people. But it's not what I'm going to be doing for the rest of my life.
Take the ROTP and start your military career, possibly getting some license on your own time/money.
Decline ROTP and do GPS, and try again for ROTP next year.
I have to tell you though, glider was fun. I had a great time and met some awesome people. But it's not what I'm going to be doing for the rest of my life.
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A few years ago (already having cadet glider wings) I was accepted for the Air Cadet power scholarship. Days after receiving that notification, I received my acceptance to ROTP in the pilot classification.
I can tell you how many nanoseconds I thought about trying to still get my PPL. (hint: zero)
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I can tell you how many nanoseconds I thought about trying to still get my PPL. (hint: zero)
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One thing worth thinking about here is how you're going to explain to your interviewing officer why you declined an ROTP offer for a 6 week glider course.
Imagine what he/she will think about that.
Having been through a similar experience, I can tell you that I was VERY fortunate to receive a second ROTP offer and it took quite a bit of conversation to convince my interviewer that I was serious, committed, and worth his time.
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Everyone here has made some very valid points. If there is a conflict then your obvious choice is to go with the ROTP option. In fact, if I were the CO of a cadet corps and got wind of any cadet's decision to opt out of ROTP in order to take a cadet course, that cadet would be a non-cadet pretty darn fast! If a kid is going to make a colossaly stupid decision, then sometimes an adult has to step in.
Having said this, if there is no conflict (i.e. you can complete the course prior to being sworn into the CF), then there really should be no issue. If you're not a member of the CF, the CF can't tell you to not to do something. As long as you show up at the appointed time to be sworn in and complete the appropriate paperwork, there is really nothing the CF can do. WARNING: if you get stuck at a cadet camp and can't make it back for your induction or if you are injured and can't start BMQ, you will be SCREWED. So keep that in mind.
On a final note, I highly doubt that you will be able to complete the glider course before you will be required to report for duty. Those courses normally run until at least mid-August and you will most likely be in the CF by that point (even if you on Leave Without Pay). So get your head around that and move on.
Having said this, if there is no conflict (i.e. you can complete the course prior to being sworn into the CF), then there really should be no issue. If you're not a member of the CF, the CF can't tell you to not to do something. As long as you show up at the appointed time to be sworn in and complete the appropriate paperwork, there is really nothing the CF can do. WARNING: if you get stuck at a cadet camp and can't make it back for your induction or if you are injured and can't start BMQ, you will be SCREWED. So keep that in mind.
On a final note, I highly doubt that you will be able to complete the glider course before you will be required to report for duty. Those courses normally run until at least mid-August and you will most likely be in the CF by that point (even if you on Leave Without Pay). So get your head around that and move on.
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Dude, my asnwer is simply thus: D-U-H.
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How exactly were you "recently" selected for ROTP?
Can you get accepted for the 2012 year now?
Anyways, I'm in Air cadets too and I have my glider wings, and let me say that they might be fun for a few weeks or so but they are not as great as you might think...So really, I think that your best option is to just go with the ROTP and forget the glider course.
Just what I think....all up to you.
Can you get accepted for the 2012 year now?
Anyways, I'm in Air cadets too and I have my glider wings, and let me say that they might be fun for a few weeks or so but they are not as great as you might think...So really, I think that your best option is to just go with the ROTP and forget the glider course.
Just what I think....all up to you.
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First round of selections for the 2011-2012 year was back in late March. Second round was even more recent, although I'm not sure of how many people were accepted during that round.
Back to OP though, sounds like it's time to strap on your big boy pants and start thinking about your future career. Would you rather do a 6 week course so you can fly a glider, or do 4 years of school, graduate with a guaranteed job, retire after 25 years, and still be able to do something else with your life after your service is up.
As for me, I'm going to enjoy my time at RMC for the next 4 years and know that I'm going to be able to reap the benefits which have been presented before me.
That being said, I'm not sure how prestigious these glider wings are, or what bearing they have on your future, but it sure seems to me that ROTP is the better deal.
EDIT: Corrected number of years for retirement.
Back to OP though, sounds like it's time to strap on your big boy pants and start thinking about your future career. Would you rather do a 6 week course so you can fly a glider, or do 4 years of school, graduate with a guaranteed job, retire after 25 years, and still be able to do something else with your life after your service is up.
As for me, I'm going to enjoy my time at RMC for the next 4 years and know that I'm going to be able to reap the benefits which have been presented before me.
That being said, I'm not sure how prestigious these glider wings are, or what bearing they have on your future, but it sure seems to me that ROTP is the better deal.
EDIT: Corrected number of years for retirement.
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25 years.
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Oh sorry, my mistake, I was talking about the 2012-2013 year...I guess you apply for that starting next september.
Take everybody's word for it Nathan...see if you can work some way around and do both of your options,
and if that's not possible, just go forward with the ROTP Program. :nod:
Wish you best of luck!
Take everybody's word for it Nathan...see if you can work some way around and do both of your options,
and if that's not possible, just go forward with the ROTP Program. :nod:
Wish you best of luck!
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My bad, thanks.CDN Aviator said:
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ROTP all the way.
Think of it like this. A glider pilot course which is maybe, what 5k? Maybe 10k?
Or a scholarship that is worth over 100k? PLUS a guaranteed career. Jobs are hard to find out of university these days.
Think of it like this. A glider pilot course which is maybe, what 5k? Maybe 10k?
Or a scholarship that is worth over 100k? PLUS a guaranteed career. Jobs are hard to find out of university these days.
I went to Power Pilot Scholarship two years ago. One of the guys there was accepted to ROTP as a pilot (he found out before he started the scholarship)He managed to complete the course which normally takes seven weeks, in 5 weeks in order to get to St Jean in time, and he was sworn in while on course! He did not tell anyone at his cadet squadron about this, and the officers on the course allowed him to attend anyway.
Incidentally on the same course, I got a call from the recruiting center that I was accepted to ROTP for Artillery Officer (my third choice). The first two were Pilot & Navigator. Since I was already in the 4th week of flying, AND I didn't really want to go as Artillery, I rejected the offer, and got Power Wings.
Last year, I applied again to ROTP, but failed Aircrew Selection. I eneded up getting my second choice (Armoured Officer), and I'm going to RMC this fall.
Moral of the story: 1. Cadets don't communicate with DND, so if you don't tell officers at your unit about getting accepted to military, they won't force you to retire and you can still attend a summer course.
2. Sometimes (as in my case) It's better to take the summer course instead of ROTP.
Incidentally on the same course, I got a call from the recruiting center that I was accepted to ROTP for Artillery Officer (my third choice). The first two were Pilot & Navigator. Since I was already in the 4th week of flying, AND I didn't really want to go as Artillery, I rejected the offer, and got Power Wings.
Last year, I applied again to ROTP, but failed Aircrew Selection. I eneded up getting my second choice (Armoured Officer), and I'm going to RMC this fall.
Moral of the story: 1. Cadets don't communicate with DND, so if you don't tell officers at your unit about getting accepted to military, they won't force you to retire and you can still attend a summer course.
2. Sometimes (as in my case) It's better to take the summer course instead of ROTP.
