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Sigs Guy said:
Personally my dad just had a stroke, I'm perfectly fine knowing that my family won't have to sell our business to pay them.

Good luck for your dad and your family.

Personnaly my dad dead years ago in a waiting list for a "minor routine" heart operation. That was in Quebec,
before all the cuts that we saw a few years ago (retirements of nurses, etc).

More then 15 patients died in St-Hyacinthe hospital from a sickness then get IN the hospital .

And last week, a boy died in the suburd of Montréal. He went into a truck, got to the hospital,
got operated, was tranfert to "soins intensifs" to wait for stabilisation before transfert to better hospital
in Montréal. Said transfert was request at 2 h10 , mother say was done at 3:30, hospital talked
of a 50 minutes delay... Was declared dead upon arriving in Montréal.

Why would you ask ? Didn't they have an ambulance? Nope, not 1, but 2.
The drivers of the ambulance that was suppose to take him were VERY vocally arguing with the dispatcher.
He wouldn't let them go because of overtime. the second ambulance said it wasn't their zone to go...

Didn't see SICKO. But having our system describe as paradise (from reports of people that saw it) make me SICK !
 
I don't think Canada was described as a paradise. However it did show our system compared to America's, and according to the WHO our system does rank higher than the USA's.
 
Yrys said:
Didn't see SICKO. But having our system describe as paradise (from reports of people that saw it) make me SICK !
If you do get sick, here's hoping it's minor and you don't require a visit to the hospital ;D
 
Captain Sensible said:
If you do get sick, here's hoping it's minor and you don't require a visit to the hospital ;D

:D When I'm sick, I prefer to go to a clinic then an hospital, less waiting time  :) .
 
Sigs Guy said:
How so?

Personally my dad just had a stroke, I'm perfectly fine knowing that my family won't have to sell our business to pay them.

My mother just had a cataract removed by a Cuban doctor, I have the greatest admiration for Cuba's  first rate health care system.  What I have a problem with, naive and old fashioned as this may sound is what Moore is proposing, getting married just to reap the benefits of gaining your spouses citizenship.  Yes people do it all the time, that doesn't necessarily make it right.
 
Wow...just wow. Is Michael Moore serious this time???  :rofl:

http://www.thenewsvault.com/cgi/xtra.pl?go=12026506021

LOS ANGELES - "Sicko" director Michael Moore jokes that Fidel Castro would be a "ratings grabber" at Sunday night's Academy Awards show. Moore's Oscar-nominated documentary on the health-care industry concludes with a trip to Cuba, where he seeks care for a group of 9/11 responders who have experienced health problems.

They are greeted with open arms at a Havana hospital and given what appears to be top-notch care that they could not get in the United States.

Castro, who is 81 and in poor health, announced his retirement as president of Cuba this week, ending a half-century of autocratic rule.

"I got some great news today because I was trying to figure out how I was going to get Castro into the Oscars and for me he resigns today so he can come to L.A. and go as my guest and perhaps give the acceptance speech," Moore told AP Television on Tuesday night.

"As long as he keeps it under five hours. I'm telling you, that's got to be a ratings grabber. Can you imagine him? Showing up? If I could talk to (Oscar producer) Gil Cates and maybe get Castro in a dance number at the beginning of the show? Great."

A service of the Associated Press(AP)
 
Anything to get his fat ass in front of a camera and prolong his fifteen minutes.
 
recceguy said:
Anything to get his fat ass in front of a camera and prolong his fifteen minutes.

Ok boys, Michael Moore heading on stage, camera 3,... you've got your wide angle lens on right?,... pan across his ass as he struggles up the stairs to the stage,...... yes I know it's a looong pan but those 8 stairs will take him some time!
 
Well, if he can still make however many millions believe that Cuba has a respectable healthcare system (granted he's had a lot of help from Moore and others) ... http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
 
Moore wants to put 'stake in the heart' of capitalism

By: The Canadian Press, Date: Sat. Sep. 12 2009 4:45 PM ET

TORONTO — "Manifesto" was one of the titles being bandied around
by Michael Moore for his new movie -- a fitting one given that his
scathing attack on capitalism calls for nothing less than putting a
"stake through the heart of the beast."

"Capitalism: A Love Story" examines the economic meltdown and
subsequent bailout of Wall Street and calls on the audience to reject
America's particular brand of free market economics in favour of a
system based on the ideals of democracy.

Moore, who is promoting the movie at the Toronto International Film
Festival, said Saturday that his latest work is really the culmination of
two decades years of sounding the alarm about the disastrous conse-
quences for working people when capitalist greed runs rampant.

"Capitalists love their money and they not only love their money, they
love our money," Moore said. "The upper one per cent have more
financial wealth than the bottom 95 per cent. Seriously, when anthro-
pologists dig us up what do you think they're going to call that?"

Moore's documentary career began in 1989 with the release of
"Roger and Me," in which the filmmaker chronicles his efforts to
reach the top brass at General Motors to get some answers amid
the economic ruin in his hometown of Flint, Mich. - which had
been a booming auto town. In his television show "TV Nation"
Moore took on other pillars of corporate America and in his
documentary "Sicko" it was his country's health-care system
under the microscope.

His latest film is "really is an extension of a lot of things that
I've been saying for 20 years." A manifesto of sorts then?

"There's a point sometime back where I think that word was a
potential title of this film," Moore said. "I really set out to make
this film with the sort of attitude of, if I was not able to make
another film after this... what would that film say? What would I
put in that film knowing that it might be my last film for a while?"

Wall St. tries to explain itself

Exotic investment products, like the subprime mortgage securities
that caught much of the blame for the global financial meltdown,
are a main target in the movie. To show just how confusing these
things are, Moore has Wall Street types and academics attempt
to explain them. It doesn't go well.

The complex mathematical formulas thrown up on the screen that
explain such products also do little to clarify exactly how they work -
at least to the average person. Now Wall Street is at it again, Moore
says, barely one year after the mortgage meltdown. This time it
involves a proposal to turn so-called life settlements -- when ill or
elderly people cash out on life insurance policies before they die --
into financial products to sell on the market.

"The dirtiest word in capitalism is enough, there's no such thing as
enough. They want more and more and more," he said. "It's like a
beast and you have to stop the beast... You can't regulate the beast,
you really have to put a stake in its heart otherwise it will just find
a new path."

It's not that he's against people making money. "I believe that I should
make my money on my hard work and on my ideas and not sit around
making money off money," he said. "I don't think we advance ourselves
if we have a lot of people sitting around looking at the stock ticker on CNBC,
hour by hour figuring, 'Where's my money going? What can I do to move
my money around?"'

The film illustrates the stark contrast between those who are being turfed
out of their homes and executives of bailed out banks who are receiving
million-dollar bonuses. "People are already upset and they're confused by
what's happened, especially in the last year. I'm trying to speak to that
and hopefully channel it toward something positive," Moore said.

"That's what I'm calling for, a democratic economic system where you and
I have a say in how this economy is run. That's all I'm asking for, that we
just apply the democracy that we love to our economy."

The film is due in Canadian theatres on Oct. 2.



I'm not as harsh toward him as most people here, but he really got illusions
of grandeur with "a stake in the heart of the beat" !

How can he think that a docu could do that to a system that is establish
in most country and people in others want it ?!???
 
Michael Moore is more a propagandist than a documentarian. A fact that most of his audience fails to recognize.
 
Meh, I'm fine with the idea that the dude has an agenda to push. I like the guy.

I don't have a problem with the fact that, for example, during the production of Sicko, he wasn't only out to produce a "documentary" comparing and contrasting health care in various countries. The fact that he was out to try to establish a system in the United States that actually covers those who wouldn't otherwise be able to afford to receive health care is not a problem with me.

I still have to date enjoyed every movie of his that I've seen. As the books of this that I have read. I'm not going to discount everything the guy has to say just because he's a filthy socialist. Because, well, I'm Canadian, and that isn't a bad thing.
 
I remember in "Roger and Me" there was a guy called "Rivethead". We see him shooting hoops at the local mental health clinic after learning he will be laid off from the GM factory for the fifth time in five years. He describes his panic attacks, while on the radio the news report says tells the rats population is now greater than the human in Flint, Michigan due to garbage collection cutbacks. As Rivethead drives past rows of boarded up businesses and homes, the radio switches to The Beach Boys song:
"We could be married,
And then we'd be happy."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E4FRtrD9aQ
A good book about the times in Flint was "Rivethead: Tales from the assembly line".
"I WAS SEVEN YEARS OLD THE FIRST TIME I EVER SET FOOT inside an automobile factory..."

I don't know how true it is, but I was told that if a man dropped dead at his station ( in the old days ) at those places, that they didn't even slow the line down. Just hustle another guy into the position.

 
"Capitalists love their money and they not only love their money, they
love our money," Moore said. "The upper one per cent have more
financial wealth than the bottom 95 per cent. Seriously, when anthro-
pologists dig us up what do you think they're going to call that?"
Funny.  Doesn't Mike like our money too?  Hypocrite.
 
Perhaps he should save some food for the starving masses...he obviously is eating more than his fair share.
 
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