The Military Police [MP] Superthread

[WATCHDOG-81]

Yes I did. However according to the CFRC I need at LEAST a college diploma in some sort of law/security field, and I don't think I want to do, say, Infantry for four years and then be stuck if my OT is not accepted (no slag against the infantry, I just don't think I could do it on a continual basis, nor would I want to).

I'm going to attend uni/college to keep all my options open, while I shall consider the MP's, there are also other forces to join and they too seem to require at the minimum a college diploma (I'm leaning towards the degree as opposed to the diploma because it says at minimum you need a college diploma and I thought hey, why not get something that goes above and beyond the minimum). Thats why I asked the question, is the extra effort worth it?

2332Piper, you are mixing apples with oranges.  Within the MP Branch, a college diploma is the minimum for entry as an NCM (tradesman), whereas the minimum requirement of a degree is specific to the officer corp of the Branch.  Don't try to enter the NCM component with a degree and likewise don't try to enter as an officer with a diploma.  The two educational achievements are not of the same kind.

 

[Blackhorse7]

Questions, after skimming thru this thread...

1.  What the hell is SAMPIS?
2.  How much field time do the MP units get (FTX)?
3.  How often are MP's deployed on Peacekeeping/Wartime tours?

I'm ing'nant.....

 

[DogOfWar]

  Don't try to enter the NCM component with a degree and likewise don't try to enter as an officer with a diploma.   The two educational achievements are not of the same kind.

Actually it is possible to join as an NCM with a degree for the military police.

 

[Thompson_JM]

May I ask why? I know of many NCM's who have university degrees, some even with Masters.

Also, notice how it says minimum. I want maximum chance of getting in. If it comes down to me and one other person, both with the exact same credentials and experience, and they have a college diploma and I have a uni degree, it may simply come down to who has the 'higher' education. No slag to college students, in fact, I'd rather go to college. But frankly, it seems that between a degree and a diploma, a degree is often seen as 'better' for many jobs (including police, as long as you don't have the 'high expectations' act going). Besides, as I said before, the chances of me being taken on by any force at 20 years old is slim to none, so I may as well fill my time at school as opposed to being a mall cop.

keep in mind that they may take someone with no post secondary over someone with a masters. simply because the other inidivdual exhibits the qualities that the police service is looking for...

education is not the only thing that police services look at. my advice is to look at some police service recruiting websites and start looking at the core competencies that they ask for. and if you want my advice, there is nothing wrong with doing some "mall cop" security work. it can give you some good insight into what the job can entail, as far as dealing with people. dont get me wrong, the reserves and regs are great life experiance as well, and not a day goes by that im not greatfull for the time ive spent there. but you dont deal with the same sort of thing in the military that you might deal with working security somewhere.. just make sure to reasearch and go into a good, professional company. but to get back on topic.

college or university? doesnt really matter as a cop in the car from what ive been told. if youre what the department is looking for, you will get hired.
and speaking as a police foundations student, the biggest difference is that we are taught alot of the practical application of law that a police officer will apply to his job every day, whereas you would probabbly learn alot more of the theory in uni.. not that its a bad thing either.. but keep in mind. when a person is hired on by a service in ontario, they will go to aylmer ontario to the Ontario Police College for 4 months of training regardless of their previous background. (this is referring to new hires without previous police experiance)

anyways, best of luck and i hope you pick the choice that you feel is best suited to you.

regards

 

[rcr]

I've dabbled a bit in Police recruitment in the civvy world.  Education does help as it gets you involved in the atmosphere of the job, regardless of whether it's a diploma or degree program.  Both programs are, however, very different in the assets they give you.  What Police services are really looking for is life experience.  They want to see challenge, initiative and the insight to accomplish goals and handle your own, so to speak.  Policing is a very critical and diverse line of work.  I've gathered from information and interviews, that the words 'critical' and 'diverse' are two characteristics forces like to see in their applicants.  But, as stated before, it really boils down to the individual and how they can fit in with said line of work.  I know of atleast one civilian officer on this board, perhaps they will contribute to this topic as well.

 

[garb811]

Questions, after skimming thru this thread...

1.   What the heck is SAMPIS?
2.   How much field time do the MP units get (FTX)?
3.   How often are MP's deployed on Peacekeeping/Wartime tours?

I'm ing'nant.....

1.  You probably know SAMPIS (Security and Military Police Information System) by it's COTS name, VERSADEX. 99% the same with a few minor mods to suit our needs.
2.  In the range of 2-3 months over the course of the year depending on what the Bde is doing would be a good estimate.
3.  MPs go on any mission which involves more than a handful of personnel.  Not sure how it will work with the new system, but under the old deployment system if you were posted to a Pl for 4 years you could count on 2-3 deployments.  Guys in Guardhouses might never see one.

Also, notice how it says minimum. I want maximum chance of getting in. If it comes down to me and one other person, both with the exact same credentials and experience, and they have a college diploma and I have a uni degree, it may simply come down to who has the 'higher' education.

At the end of the day at MPAC I really, really doubt your education is going to be the deciding factor.  I also believe that MPAC is now done on a acceptable/not acceptable basis.  If you're acceptable you go on the list and as positions become available they work their way down it.  While you may be in competition with your peers regarding your ranking on the list, you won't be competing with them to actually get on it.

 

[canadianblue]

Actaully I myself am considering going into the regular force infantry. While I am still in the process with the reserves, some things have changed with regards to my current situation which makes going regular force more appropriate to myself. I would like to go infantry for a few years, but depending on my situation I would also like to get into law enforcement either with the MP's or a Civilian service.

Did anybody here that pretty soon even to Transfer to the MP's from another trade your going to need a police studies diploma?

 

[Wizard of OZ]

It is no longer pretty soon it is already in effect that you must have either a police foundations or a Law and Security program.

 

[canadianblue]

It is no longer pretty soon it is already in effect that you must have either a police foundations or a Law and Security program.

Wow, I wonder what some other members of the army who don't have that diploma think of that who would like to become MP's.

 

[Poppa]

Or suitable experience....a 10yr infmn who wants to OT into the branch doesn't necessarily need the L&S diploma. (for example)

On another note well done on us getting our own sub forum. Big thanks to MP 0061 and to Mike 

 

[Wizard of OZ]

Are you sure about that?  I may be wrong it has happened before.

Last i heard all personal had to have some background in L&S or PF remuster and direct entry.
Either way they still have to go through MPAC and that selection phase.  I know experience counts but there is alot to be said about the education.  Not to start a fight they both play heavily into the selection.

 

[Poppa]

I'm pretty sure..but now am feeling like someone called BS on me. I know a few years ago this was the case and while at the centre of excellence last year the PM referred to that very thing.

Time for me to check some stuff out.

 

[Kurhaus]

I tell any serving members, who express an interest in an to OT to the MP trade, to start some kind of L and S program or police related courses, if they haven't already.  As the trade requires the direct entries to hold an L and S Diploma, the OT's should have some kind of Police educational background to stay competitive with the new guys.  Educational upgrading is not a requirement for OT's (yet), but it certainly would improve their chances.

 

[MAC]

I am currently an instructor with the Criminal Justice program at Regency College in Saskatoon and I would like to have an MP speak to our class about the duties of a Police Officer in the Canadian Forces.  I am trying to expose them to as many career options as possible and I think having an MP introduced to them would be an excellent idea.  My question is, does anyone have any suggestions as to how I could arrange this and do any MP's have any advice to potential MP recruits?  I look forward to your responses.

 

[Poppa]

Best bet..if there's a CFB anywhere around just ask the local detachment. One of the western boys could probably give a more specific location.
Good hunting.

 

[FastEddy]

Wow, I wonder what some other members of the army who don't have that diploma think of that who would like to become MP's.

Well the sad thing about that is, there's probally a lot of candidate's out there that would make fine MP's
even though they lack the necessary prerequisites. A College or University degree does not guarantee that
your going to make a Good Police Officer or Detective. Of course what is a Good Police Officer or Detective is widely open to interpretation.

I have seen too many Gold Shields and Promotions go to individuals simply because of their Academic
background. And far to many of them couldn't fine a W**** in a W**** House.

IMP, its something you got or you haven't, at first you might trip over your own feetd discovering it, but then you take
to it like a Duck to water. This is also applicable to Military Life.

Don't get me wrong, Higher Learning is fine and necessary where its applicable and applied.

 

[Thompson_JM]

I Can Echo Fast Eddy on that one.. There were alot of people in my Police Foundations Class at Humber who should never be allowed within 50 feet of a loaded weapon. Sadly because they could do the whole student thing and get the paper, they are all now able to apply to become MP's whereas I will have to go back when i can afford to do so, and complete my schooling before I could be eligible...

I think its good to set high standards for the MP's so that not everyone just goes and tranfers in, but it could probabbly be done in a better way.

anywho, just my .02, now if you'll excuse me im gonna go jump back into my lanes in the CSS Forum  ;D

Cheers
    Josh

 

[Wizard of OZ]

An argument for both higher learning and military experience can be made and in MOO has been made.  Former CFPM's have stated that in order to specialize the branch the education was needed.  The Currnet CFPM will continue this in order to maintain our specialisation within the forces.  This does not mean that education is the only key.  Knowledge of how the politics of the army game are played can play a vital role in the everday workings of an MP.  I think that the combination of life experience and education can go along way in making this work.

That being said i am tired of hearing individuals who used to MCpl or Sgt in another outfit come to a guardhouse as a PEP and try and run the show.  Time in does not count for anything in the MP world unless it is Time in Trade.  Sorry but that is my opinion.  I don't care if you used to be an Infantry Sgt and led a group of 10-15 guys.  Or you have more time in Reverse in an Iltis then have of your shift.  When is the last time a Infantry guy had to process an Impaired or attend a domestic (that they were not a party to ) and the list could go on.  If the shoe was on the other foot there would be no way these people would listen to the advice of some FNG.  Bear with the process people it is there to make sure the bar is set high and you have to work to achieve a passing grade. 

Last i looked we as a trade in whole are over our manning requirements so things may change again but we all have to work together to maintain the higher standard that the military has for us.  There will always be a bad apple or two that is with every facet of life. Stay the Crse and we will continue to be strong.

 

[FastEddy]

An argument for both higher learning and military experience can be made and in MOO has been made.   Former CFPM's have stated that in order to specialize the branch the education was needed.   The Currnet CFPM will continue this in order to maintain our specialisation within the forces.   This does not mean that education is the only key.   Knowledge of how the politics of the army game are played can play a vital role in the everday workings of an MP.   I think that the combination of life experience and education can go along way in making this work.

That being said i am tired of hearing individuals who used to MCpl or Sgt in another outfit come to a guardhouse as a PEP and try and run the show.   Time in does not count for anything in the MP world unless it is Time in Trade.   Sorry but that is my opinion.   I don't care if you used to be an Infantry Sgt and led a group of 10-15 guys.   Or you have more time in Reverse in an Iltis then have of your shift.   When is the last time a Infantry guy had to process an Impaired or attend a domestic (that they were not a party to ) and the list could go on.   If the shoe was on the other foot there would be no way these people would listen to the advice of some FNG.   Bear with the process people it is there to make sure the bar is set high and you have to work to achieve a passing grade.  

Last i looked we as a trade in whole are over our manning requirements so things may change again but we all have to work together to maintain the higher standard that the military has for us.   There will always be a bad apple or two that is with every facet of life. Stay the Crse and we will continue to be strong.

I notice you use a lot of "we's & I's", therefore I presume you are in the MP or Law Enforcement, although
your Profile does not indicate that fact.

However I would be very interested in knowing exactlly what you mean by "Knowledge of how the Politics
of the Army game are played can play a vital role in the everyday workings of an MP".

HAND.

 

[QWERTY]

I am going through very Very similar things as "Future Trooper" right now (it is freakin me out) and I have a few questions to:

1) Do any of you think that the Military Police (Reg. Force) life is boring comapred to the Infantry?

2) Do you think that it is better to join the MP Reg. Force before going into Civi. Policing? (Considering the experience you get and the stories you can tell people of how you were in the MILITARY Police before...)

3) And how much money do you think you will come back with if you go MP Reg. Force for 5 years? 

Thanks for the responses guys  I appreciate it.