The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[The Bread Guy]

And ...

Boeing Co on Thursday scrapped an announcement about the fighter jets it hopes to sell to Canada, a day after the country's defense minister objected to the firm's behavior in a trade dispute against Canadian planemaker Bombardier Inc

"Due to the current climate, today is not the most opportune time to share this good news story," Boeing spokesman Scott Day said in a statement issued at an Ottawa defense show.

While he did not specifically refer to the trade dispute, his comments appeared to be a reference to growing tensions between Ottawa and the U.S airplane manufacturer ...

 

[MilEME09]

Waiting to hear of a new sole-sourcing negotiation with Dassault to commence soon.

I've been rooting for Dassault for years now (or atleast it feels like years) as Dassault Aviation is the only one to offer a full technology transfer. It will be much easier to keep our planes running if we can build the parts if we want to.

 

[Cdn Blackshirt]

I've been rooting for Dassault for years now (or atleast it feels like years) as Dassault Aviation is the only one to offer a full technology transfer. It will be much easier to keep our planes running if we can build the parts if we want to.

In a way, it's the next logical step.

Boeing really hosed the Liberals on the sole-sourcing of the Superhornet, while it appears Macron & Trudeau have hit if off very well.

The fact that Trudeau could end up rewarding the company that Boeing tried to injure would be icing on the cake.

 

[a_majoor]

At this rate, all competing aircraft will drop out of competition as they either become obsolete, leave service or have their assembly lines shut down.

The RCAF should start making plans for the 6th Gen fighter, since that should be ready by the time *we* are able to make a decision to replace the Hornet.....

 

[MarkOttawa]

See this post on growing Russian ALCM and SLCM threat to North America--its capability for the NORAD mission defending against this is the one key basis on which the new RCAF fighter should be judged:
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/124171/post-1490715.html#msg1490715

Mark
Ottawa

 

[Kirkhill]

At this rate, all competing aircraft will drop out of competition as they either become obsolete, leave service or have their assembly lines shut down.

You forgot one.  It just ain't worth the aggravation.

 

[AlexanderM]

I've been rooting for Dassault for years now (or atleast it feels like years) as Dassault Aviation is the only one to offer a full technology transfer. It will be much easier to keep our planes running if we can build the parts if we want to.

I'm just being bad.  >

http://bestfighter4canada.blogspot.ca/2014/09/fighter-jet-fight-club-f-35-vs-rafale.html

 

[a_majoor]

See this post on growing Russian ALCM and SLCM threat to North America--its capability for the NORAD mission defending against this is the one key basis on which the new RCAF fighter should be judged:
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/124171/post-1490715.html#msg1490715

Mark
Ottawa

Given the rapid development of laser weapons (laser "pods" with high energy weapons are scheduled for testing in 2018 on Air Force fighters), the best way to fight such a threat might be a 737 mounting a pair of laser pods, sensors and extra fuel. The very long cruise time over the arctic and both coasts of an airliner sized aircraft would be a huge advantage in this role as well.

 

[MarkOttawa]

Ah, an arsenal aircraft for air defence, not ALCM etc. attack on an enemy.  BTW a smart and knowledgeable friend suggests what RCAF needs for NORAD might be something like big mother Tu-28 Fiddler equivalent:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=357

More:
http://www.airvectors.net/avtu128.html

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Mark
Ottawa

 

[NavyShooter]

Given the rapid development of laser weapons (laser "pods" with high energy weapons are scheduled for testing in 2018 on Air Force fighters), the best way to fight such a threat might be a 737 mounting a pair of laser pods, sensors and extra fuel. The very long cruise time over the arctic and both coasts of an airliner sized aircraft would be a huge advantage in this role as well.

Or, how about instead of a 737 we get a C-series?

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[Eye In The Sky]

Given the rapid development of laser weapons (laser "pods" with high energy weapons are scheduled for testing in 2018 on Air Force fighters), the best way to fight such a threat might be a 737 mounting a pair of laser pods, sensors and extra fuel. The very long cruise time over the arctic and both coasts of an airliner sized aircraft would be a huge advantage in this role as well.

Replace and expand your LRPA fleet;  they are the ones who are going to be doing your ASW/ASuW stuff.  We're multi-mission as it is, might as well give us the kit for the maritime battlespace.

In the interim, make them fit on the wing hardpoints on the Aurora (because it is going to be around for a while....).

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Or, how about instead of a 737 we get a C-series?

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[MarkOttawa]

Good reason why Boeing not so concerned about Super Hornet sale to RCAF, willingness to take on Bombardier over CSeries:

Super Hornets see boost in new US budget request
26 May

President Donald Trump’s proposed budget would add funding to buy up to 74 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets through 2022, or 60 more than planned in previous budget forecasts.

The Navy is requesting 14 Super Hornets in Fiscal 2018 to mitigate the service’s strike fighter shortfall, officials said this week. In addition, Trump’s budget proposal inserts new plans to procure 23 more F/A-18E/Fs in FY2019, 14 in FY2020, 14 in FY2021 and 15 in FY2022. The recent request not only includes funding for new Super Hornets, but also advanced procurement dollars to address advanced capabilities.

While Boeing celebrated the intended purchase of new F/A-18E/Fs as a sign that the Trump administration would commit to funding Super Hornets year after year, the status of the five-year funding plan is not settled...
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/super-hornets-see-boost-in-new-us-budget-request-437672/

Mark
Ottawa

 

[a_majoor]

Ah, an arsenal aircraft for air defence, not ALCM etc. attack on an enemy.  BTW a smart and knowledgeable friend suggests what RCAF needs for NORAD might be something like big mother Tu-28 Fiddler equivalent:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=357

More:
http://www.airvectors.net/avtu128.html

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Mark
Ottawa

Sadly, the only candidate that fits the bill for us if we don't do an airliner conversion would either be the B-1 (already quite old) or get in on the B-21 line and buy 10 or more as arsenal planes (carrying a laser battery for long range and fill the other bomb bay with long range AAM's like the Meteor).

Since that isn't going to happen, we should look at long term needs and economies of scale. Buying 737's airframes in large numbers could provide for getting P-8's, Laser air defence aircraft and replacing the Airbuses with huge long term logistical savings and reducing the unit cost per aircraft as well in the initial buy. This could get us to the 2040's or 2050's with judicious upgrades and maintenance (after that point, air combat will probably have changed beyond all recognition anyway).

 

[AlexanderM]

I imagine this has been posted somewhere already. Calls for 88 fighter jets after open competition.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-sajjan-garneau-defence-policy-1.4149473

 

[SupersonicMax]

88 sounds a lot like 18 interim and 70 future...

 

[a_majoor]

Given the extreme backloading of spending and the political opposition within the Liberal party for defense spending in general, the real number is closer to "0" for the conceivable future.....

 

[jmt18325]

Given the extreme backloading of spending and the political opposition within the Liberal party for defense spending in general, the real number is closer to "0" for the conceivable future.....

Backloading is a relative term.  There is now based on this plan $1.5B more this year than there was a few days ago. 

 

[AlexanderM]

Do we have a budget number for the 88 jets? Is it still $9B?

 

[jmt18325]

Do we have a budget number for the 88 jets? Is it still $9B?

$15-19B