The vibe shift, end of "wokeness"?

[daftandbarmy]

For those of us not stuck in the current version of the CAF, in other words those of us not dealing with petty BS such as pronouns on signature blocks, what other ways are we seeing/have seen the end of wokeness?

Very interesting that in the original video I posted, the dude mentioned this has been building up for over 50 years in western developed nations and hyper accelerated ten years ago or so.

I am curious. Did the soviet union feed into the anti-war narrative of the 60s and 70s? Have other nations or organizations feed into "anti-establishment/culture" narratives over the years on things like the environment, globalization, more anti-war/NATO, wealth status, etc?

Who benefits from a collapse of western developed civilization?

There's a good argument for inclusiveness making cultures stronger, and safer for everyone.

When specific groups are excluded and demonized you can get..... well ... Nazi Germany of course.

You can go too far the other way though, as we've seen...

 

[rmc_wannabe]

There's a good argument for inclusiveness making cultures stronger, and safer for everyone.

When specific groups are excluded and demonized you can get..... well ... Nazi Germany of course.

You can go too far the other way though, as we've seen...

So I had a conversation over breakfast with my daughter about this.

I asked her if leading a conversation with pronouns or having them in signature blocks is helpful or just performative. Does it help people who are trans, non-binary, or otherwise?

Her response floored me.

"It does about as much as me actually correcting someone if I get misgendered. Those who would have it in their signatures would most likely be the kind to apologize and correct. Those who don't are usually the type of people who would call me a slur. Making everyone do it out of policy hands a lot of wolves their sheeps clothing for free."

 

[QV]

So I had a conversation over breakfast with my daughter about this.

I asked her if leading a conversation with pronouns or having them in signature blocks is helpful or just performative. Does it help people who are trans, non-binary, or otherwise?

Her response floored me.

"It does about as much as me actually correcting someone if I get misgendered. Those who would have it in their signatures would most likely be the kind to apologize and correct. Those who don't are usually the type of people who would call me a slur. Making everyone do it out of policy hands a lot of wolves their sheeps clothing for free."

Experiences vary. I know a ton of people who do not have it in their signature block and are still happy to call you whatever you wish and don't give a rats ass about anyone's personal life.

 

[YZT580]

There's a good argument for inclusiveness making cultures stronger, and safer for everyone.

When specific groups are excluded and demonized you can get..... well ... Nazi Germany of course.

You can go too far the other way though, as we've seen...

Read your second line again. Isn't that just what has happened with us wasps? We have been both demonized and excluded on the basis of being European white which lines up with your final statement. You can't legislate equality

 

[Brad Sallows]

There's a good argument for inclusiveness making cultures stronger, and safer for everyone.

Shared values are what makes cultures stronger and safer. I don't mean jewelry and clothing and cuisine and religion, but core institutional beliefs about governance, personal responsibility, and customary manners.

 

[Furniture]

Her response floored me.

"It does about as much as me actually correcting someone if I get misgendered. Those who would have it in their signatures would most likely be the kind to apologize and correct. Those who don't are usually the type of people who would call me a slur. Making everyone do it out of policy hands a lot of wolves their sheeps clothing for free."

While I agree with the first part of her response, the second half is just as bad as people who would use slurs.

Assuming the worst about people because they are "different" from your in group is the basis of bigotry.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

While I agree with the first part of her response, the second half is just as bad as people who would use slurs.

Assuming the worst about people because they are "different" from your in group is the basis of bigotry.

In her defence, if I had to go through life with segments of society thinking you shouldn't exist as a person; I would also be a little nihilistic as well.

 

[daftandbarmy]

So I had a conversation over breakfast with my daughter about this.

I asked her if leading a conversation with pronouns or having them in signature blocks is helpful or just performative. Does it help people who are trans, non-binary, or otherwise?

Her response floored me.

"It does about as much as me actually correcting someone if I get misgendered. Those who would have it in their signatures would most likely be the kind to apologize and correct. Those who don't are usually the type of people who would call me a slur. Making everyone do it out of policy hands a lot of wolves their sheeps clothing for free."

Putting words in your signature block is virtue signaling.

Actually being a good person is a little more substantial, and more difficult for some

 

[CountDC]

Step 1 is banning pronouns in signature blocks.

Good by me, I never use them anyway. This is the CAF, been called lots of different things over the years so not so concerned about this.

We still have the explainer poster about menopause in the male washroom here at work. Then again, maybe it's not a bad idea for men to understand what their spouses/SO's are facing in life.

I'll observe I haven't seen a tampon dispenser here though.

if a man has a spouse/so he already knows and is wishing he knew before hand.

 

[Remius]

Experiences vary. I know a ton of people who do not have it in their signature block and are still happy to call you whatever you wish and don't give a rats ass about anyone's personal life.

I’m guessing her experience varies significantly from those that are able to casually dismiss it out of hand.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Putting words in your signature block is virtue signaling.

Actually being a good person is a little more substantial, and more difficult for some

Getting all torn up about what someone has in their sig block is a different kind of virtual signaling I think, no one would care if you had Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc, and is a pretty standard form field so people can put in their preferred title. What's the difference?

 

[OldSolduer]

Getting all torn up about what someone has in their sig block is a different kind of virtual signaling I think, no one would care if you had Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc, and is a pretty standard form field so people can put in their preferred title. What's the difference?

Ok then - I shall place under my name "Master Jedi"

 

[QV]

Getting all torn up about what someone has in their sig block is a different kind of virtual signaling I think, no one would care if you had Mr, Mrs, Miss, etc, and is a pretty standard form field so people can put in their preferred title. What's the difference?

Nobody cares. Unless you try to force people to do things they don't want to.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Unless you try to force people to do things they don't want to.

Like follow orders?
Uphold Good Order and Discipline?
Abide by an ethical code?

Pay taxes?
Register and ensure your vehicle?
Obey traffic laws?
Providing boundaries and behavioual guidelines for children?

Obey the Ten Commandments?
Live in accordance with the Hadith?
Abide by the dictates of Hasidsm?

One of the necessary features of a functioning society (small s and big S) is people "doing things they don't want to", with disincentives to refusing to do so. This has ever been the case.

 

[Remius]

Signature blocks with optional things are a problem?

CD2s in a signature block are more offensive to me than any pronoun. If one truly doesn’t care then Why advocate for it being banned?

 

[Furniture]

In her defence, if I had to go through life with segments of society thinking you shouldn't exist as a person; I would also be a little nihilistic as well.

Fair, and young people tend to be absolute in their thinking as well.

That said, it's still a dangerous way to think. Assuming someone will treat you poorly often becomes a self fulfilling prophecy due to your bad attitude towards them.

 

[QV]

Like follow orders?
Uphold Good Order and Discipline?
Abide by an ethical code?

Pay taxes?
Register and ensure your vehicle?
Obey traffic laws?
Providing boundaries and behavioual guidelines for children?

Obey the Ten Commandments?
Live in accordance with the Hadith?
Abide by the dictates of Hasidsm?

One of the necessary features of a functioning society (small s and big S) is people "doing things they don't want to", with disincentives to refusing to do so. This has ever been the case.

Apples and oranges. Being compelled to publicly project your personal sexual or gender belief is not on par with paying taxes. But if that's how you want to equate things, go ahead.

 

[Remius]

Apples and oranges. Being compelled to publicly project your personal sexual or gender belief is not on par with paying taxes. But if that's how you want to equate things, go ahead.

This has happened to you?

 

[dapaterson]

Apples and oranges. Being compelled to publicly project your personal sexual or gender belief is not on par with paying taxes. But if that's how you want to equate things, go ahead.

Being compelled to hide your personal sexual or gender belief was the prior status quo

 

[ArmyRick]

Ok then - I shall place under my name "Master Jedi"

I KNEW IT! You trained me, so I am a jedi, Master?