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The vibe shift, end of "wokeness"?

I've lived the white guy in Canada experience of not getting randomly pulled over, not being harshly punished, not wondering if I didn't get jobs or other selections because I'm white. I've been bullied for some things sure, which was terrible, but wasn't just because of the colour of my skin.

I think anyone who claims they don't see colour and it doesn't matter is full of shit, and it clearly still does in Canada and everywhere else. I would my experience to be the norm for everyone (without the bullying part) but pretending it is is just insulting I think.

People I served with had to hide who they were at the start of their career, or had friends that got tossed out for being LGBT, so if little things like pronouns in sig blocks, positive space ambassadors and some other things help continue on a 180 from that, then why not? I don't think it should be an advantage, but I'm not going to pretend that people aren't being disadvantaged for who they are or what colour their skin is, so it's not a meritocracy now, and not going to pretend it is.
Experiences differ I guess.

served 1990-2018. Infantry. The attitudes and lets call it what it actually is, sexism has changed drastically. And lets throw in anti-gay/lesbian/trans bigotry. Those attitudes got a hell of a lot better in the time I served. In fact, those prejudices I observed were 98% gone by 2004-2006 time frame. Possibly earlier. And it didn't have a damn thing to do with pronouns in signature blocks. Notta. It was REAL LEADERSHIP that did it. Nothing else. And if you have to ask what that means then that is a reflection on you.

Trivial bullshit being forced on the rank and file didn't make things better. Only a bureaucrat would think that.
 
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Zed’s dead baby.
 
Experiences differ I guess.

served 1990-2018. Infantry. The attitudes and lets call it what it actually is, sexism has changed drastically. And lets throw in anti-gay/lesbian/trans bigotry. Those attitudes got a hell of a lot better in the time I served. In fact, those prejudices I observed were 98% gone by 2004-2006 time frame. Possibly earlier. And it didn't have a damn thing to do with pronouns in signature blocks. Notta. It was REAL LEADERSHIP that did it. Nothing else. And if you have to ask what that means then that is a reflection on you.

Trivial bullshit being forced on the rank and file didn't make things better. Only a bureaucrat would think that.

Quite right.

And I credit the newer generation of NCOs with being the main effort in leading this shift as they realized that the 'older and bolder' were basically full of crap and decided it was time for a change ;)
 
Yet:
-women on average make around 10% less than men for the same job
  • LGBTQ teens are four times at risk for suicide, primarily due to societal pressures. In the US, one teen attempts suicide every 45 seconds
  • how many women or minorities have been passed over because only a white, straight, man is “the best man for the job?”

The problem with “leaving it to leaders” is it hasn’t created equality. This is in large part due to a lot of leaders who have got there due to the “old boys club” and are more than willing to perpetuate it.

And this doesn’t even address the fact we’ve organized society around these constructs.

The last thing I’m going to worry about is someone calling me “woke.” I’d rather think about if there is some small way I can make the world better.
 
There are biological realities that affect women earnings. If a women chooses to be a Mom, that is going to impact her advancement in a particular field both in position and pay. Male or female, if you took 5 years off to raise a child, you can bet that you will have lost ground and earning potentiel compared to your non-child raising peers.

I noticed demographic shifts in businesses here in the Lower Mainland with East Indians pushing Filipino out of many of the jobs they did. This is because the franchises are being bought up by the East Indians who prefer to hire their own. You also rarely see people with Persian descent here in government jobs. Mainly as they are only interested in getting jobs that have a higher pay scale in the private sector.
 
There are biological realities that affect women earnings. If a women chooses to be a Mom, that is going to impact her advancement in a particular field both in position and pay. Male or female, if you took 5 years off to raise a child, you can bet that you will have lost ground and earning potentiel compared to your non-child raising peers.

I noticed demographic shifts in businesses here in the Lower Mainland with East Indians pushing Filipino out of many of the jobs they did. This is because the franchises are being bought up by the East Indians who prefer to hire their own. You also rarely see people with Persian descent here in government jobs. Mainly as they are only interested in getting jobs that have a higher pay scale in the private sector.

Tangentially, I owe a promotion to corporate backfilling policies related to 'baby leave' in one organization I worked with in the dim and distant past.
 
Experiences differ I guess.

served 1990-2018. Infantry. The attitudes and lets call it what it actually is, sexism has changed drastically. And lets throw in anti-gay/lesbian/trans bigotry. Those attitudes got a hell of a lot better in the time I served. In fact, those prejudices I observed were 98% gone by 2004-2006 time frame. Possibly earlier. And it didn't have a damn thing to do with pronouns in signature blocks. Notta. It was REAL LEADERSHIP that did it. Nothing else. And if you have to ask what that means then that is a reflection on you.

Trivial bullshit being forced on the rank and file didn't make things better. Only a bureaucrat would think that.
Prejudices buried isn't the same as prejudices gone. It has definitely improved since I joined in 05, but still a ways to go.
 
Prejudices buried isn't the same as prejudices gone. It has definitely improved since I joined in 05, but still a ways to go.

Bannockburn 1314.
The Scottish Nationalist Party timed their referendum on independence to coincide with the 700th anniversary of the last time the Scots beat the English.

And Quebec won't allow itself to forget 1759.
Neither will the Royal Navy for that matter.

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What people feel, what they think - it is a lot easier to manage what they do.
 
'Communal Madness'... good analogy and I tend to agree...


Woke is dead — let’s make sure it never comes back​



In fact, I’m intensely curious how this period of communal madness will be regarded once it’s foreshortening in the rear-view mirror. Will this era’s edges blur until, in retrospect, “cancel culture” is remembered as rather cute?

Will historians recall only that for a funny little period, people cared innocuously more than usual about “social justice”?

Or will the reign of woke instead take its place alongside Mao’s Cultural Revolution, Stalin’s show trials and Pol Pot’s killing fields as a lower-fatality example of a whole society losing its collective mind?

As for that rear-view mirror, there are promising signs. Preferred pronouns are quietly dropping from email signatures. The sanctimonious University of Michigan is firing diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) staff. Walmart has dropped the term DEI altogether. Investors are suing the retailer Target for putting commitments to DEI, environmental, social and governance and Pride Month above the interests of shareholders. Formerly left-wing Silicon Valley billionaires are publicly excited about, or even bidding to participate in, the Trump administration.

The atmosphere on podcasts is suddenly more permissive; why, it might finally be safe to make a joke.

Democratic media figures are drowning in self-pity, while the viewership of the hectoring MSNBC channel has plummeted. Red states are banning gender-defying care for minors, and these laws have a good chance of holding up in the Supreme Court. The word “retarded” is enjoying a comeback.

Still, I worry that we’re jumping the gun. This dogma has infected all our institutions like a fungus. It won’t be easy to eradicate. Ever notice how quickly, after a full complement of treatments, athlete’s foot comes right back?

 
'Communal Madness'... good analogy and I tend to agree...


Woke is dead — let’s make sure it never comes back​



In fact, I’m intensely curious how this period of communal madness will be regarded once it’s foreshortening in the rear-view mirror. Will this era’s edges blur until, in retrospect, “cancel culture” is remembered as rather cute?

Will historians recall only that for a funny little period, people cared innocuously more than usual about “social justice”?

Or will the reign of woke instead take its place alongside Mao’s Cultural Revolution, Stalin’s show trials and Pol Pot’s killing fields as a lower-fatality example of a whole society losing its collective mind?

As for that rear-view mirror, there are promising signs. Preferred pronouns are quietly dropping from email signatures. The sanctimonious University of Michigan is firing diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) staff. Walmart has dropped the term DEI altogether. Investors are suing the retailer Target for putting commitments to DEI, environmental, social and governance and Pride Month above the interests of shareholders. Formerly left-wing Silicon Valley billionaires are publicly excited about, or even bidding to participate in, the Trump administration.

The atmosphere on podcasts is suddenly more permissive; why, it might finally be safe to make a joke.

Democratic media figures are drowning in self-pity, while the viewership of the hectoring MSNBC channel has plummeted. Red states are banning gender-defying care for minors, and these laws have a good chance of holding up in the Supreme Court. The word “retarded” is enjoying a comeback.

Still, I worry that we’re jumping the gun. This dogma has infected all our institutions like a fungus. It won’t be easy to eradicate. Ever notice how quickly, after a full complement of treatments, athlete’s foot comes right back?

A pendulum swings both left and right on a grandfather clock. Once the momentum in one direction ceases it naturally begins to move in the other direction.
 
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