Trudeau Popularity - or not (various polling, etc.)

[Brad Sallows]

I think it's also very important to recognize that a person's name on the list does not mean that they were a willing participant

"Engaged"

or that they were necessarily aware of it happening for their benefit.

"High risk"

It's messy.

[Add: the reluctance to dig deep and tell all should be expected. Powerful people have been promoting engagement with China for three decades, and partaking of it themselves. There are undoubtedly some big cockroaches pressing to keep anyone from moving the furniture around and turning on the lights.]

 

[Good2Golf]

Notwithstanding, this is clearly the PM's inference with his comments regarding Conservative members.

Indeed. Trudeau was deliberately mealy-mouthed to imply that they were complicit, vice affected victims, such as Erin O’Toole or Michael Chong.

 

[daftandbarmy]

BC's gift to TROC

Former B.C. premier Christy Clark interested in replacing Trudeau if PM steps down​

Clark has been taking French lessons in Quebec, sources say​

As Prime Minister Justin Trudeau faces a rebellion from his own Liberal MPs in caucus this week, former B.C. premier Christy Clark is suggesting she would be interested in replacing him, should Trudeau decide to step down.

In a statement sent to Radio-Canada in French, Clark wrote that she was open to returning to public life and "would like to be part of the discussion about the future direction of the Liberal Party and the country."

Clark, 58, who served as premier from 2011-17, also wrote that "Canadians are tired of politicians who think that fear mongering and divisiveness will win an election and gain power."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/christy-clark-justin-trudeau-step-down-1.7357740?cmp=newsletter_Morning%20Headlines%20from%20CBC%20News_1613_1760644

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Didn’t see that coming…

Wait. Yes I did.

Pro tip, Canada. She is pretty much just a Female JT. If you liked him- you will like her.

 

[Good2Golf]

Didn’t see that coming…

Wait. Yes I did.

Pro tip, Canada. She is pretty much just a Female JT. If you liked him- you will like her.

Just waiting to hear that Kathleen Wynne will join the Liberal leader’s race…Lord knows, she already knows Team Telford/Butts/Clow/Astravaz…

 

[ArmyRick]

Why is it that in like 3 years I see Trudeau in a secured mental health facility talking to the doctors saying "I am still the Liberal leader, I am not stepping down..."

 

[Good2Golf]

Why is it that in like 3 years I see Trudeau in a secured mental health facility talking to the doctors saying "I am still the Liberal leader, I am not stepping down..."

Nope, he’ll be jet setting around the world in a ‘B-registered’ Bombardier Global Express 8000 based out of ZSPD…

 

[RangerRay]

BC's gift to TROC

Former B.C. premier Christy Clark interested in replacing Trudeau if PM steps down​

Clark has been taking French lessons in Quebec, sources say​

As Prime Minister Justin Trudeau faces a rebellion from his own Liberal MPs in caucus this week, former B.C. premier Christy Clark is suggesting she would be interested in replacing him, should Trudeau decide to step down.

In a statement sent to Radio-Canada in French, Clark wrote that she was open to returning to public life and "would like to be part of the discussion about the future direction of the Liberal Party and the country."

Clark, 58, who served as premier from 2011-17, also wrote that "Canadians are tired of politicians who think that fear mongering and divisiveness will win an election and gain power."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/christy-clark-justin-trudeau-step-down-1.7357740?cmp=newsletter_Morning%20Headlines%20from%20CBC%20News_1613_1760644

I said it here first!

Just have to correct you on this point. Clark is as red Liberal as it gets. She was with the BC Liberals long before they came to prominence in BC in 1991. During her break between serving in Campbell’s cabinet and running for the leadership, she had a gig on CKNW where she frequently went after Harper (and the teachers’ union, but that’s another story). When she became leader of the BC Liberals, she glued herself to Harper, because she knew she needed Tories to remain as premier.
More recently, she has been touted as a replacement for Trudeau as leader of the LPC.

I would describe her as the Liberal version of Sarah Pailin.

And according to two longtime Ledge reporters, Mike Smyth and Keith Baldrey, is looking at a run for the LPC leadership when Trudeau steps down. shudder

Like I said, the Liberal Sarah Pailin.

 

[FSTO]

One of my favourite podcasts. Scott Reed the Uber Partisan Liberal quotes Red Scare and McCarthyism as a reason to hold back from getting to the bottom of why we suck at taking espionage seriously.

 

[Remius]

Mark Carney says he plans to enter elected politics as Liberals begin to organize leadership bids

Justin Trudeau's economic platform adviser says he plans to enter elected politics but won't say when, where or what job he wants, telling a fellow Liberal "you can't map these

www.thestar.com

Christie Clark now him. Maybe something is coming…

 

[RangerRay]

Mark Carney says he plans to enter elected politics as Liberals begin to organize leadership bids

Justin Trudeau's economic platform adviser says he plans to enter elected politics but won't say when, where or what job he wants, telling a fellow Liberal "you can't map these

www.thestar.com

Christie Clark now him. Maybe something is coming…

Gad, why would he want to do that? He does realize this won’t end well, right?

 

[brihard]

Gad, why would he want to do that? He does realize this won’t end well, right?

First mover’s advantage?

LPC will lose the election, and at this point practically everyone knows that. Trudeau will not survive a leadership review and everyone knows that too, there’s advantage to making him eat the loss, but nobody else can control if he decides to resign, and so it’s wise for potential contenders to hedge and get their names in there.

I wonder if the party establishment might not find some elder Liberal MP in a still-safe riding and encourage them to vacate for Carney? Set an heir apparent up with a safe seat to lead the LPC as the official opposition and then, they hope, to a return to power?

 

[Good2Golf]

I wonder if the party establishment might not find some elder Liberal MP in a still-safe riding and encourage them to vacate for Carney? Set an heir apparent up with a safe seat to lead the LPC as the official opposition and then, they hope, to a return to power?

Dominic Leblanc will take one for the team.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

First mover’s advantage?

LPC will lose the election, and at this point practically everyone knows that. Trudeau will not survive a leadership review and everyone knows that too, there’s advantage to making him eat the loss, but nobody else can control if he decides to resign, and so it’s wise for potential contenders to hedge and get their names in there.

I wonder if the party establishment might not find some elder Liberal MP in a still-safe riding and encourage them to vacate for Carney? Set an heir apparent up with a safe seat to lead the LPC as the official opposition and then, they hope, to a return to power?

Where, exactly, would this “safe” Liberal seat be?

 

[OldSolduer]

Where, exactly, would this “safe” Liberal seat be?

Regina, Saskatchewan

 

[Fishbone Jones]

You can't right a shinking ship. No matter who you put on damage control. I don't think new blood can stop the hemorrhaging the party is experiencing. It'll probably be a couple of election cycles before the liberals regain any of the trust they've lost with voters.

 

[ModlrMike]

The Liberals want to wait until Oct 25 to have an election. It seems they also want have a new leader. They can't do the second before the first. This government will fall as soon as Trudeau is replaced.

 

[Good2Golf]

The Liberals want to wait until Oct 25 to have an election. It seems they also want have a new leader. They can't do the second before the first. This government will fall as soon as Trudeau is replaced.

Xi wants them to wait as long as possible too…all the better to disrupt as much as possible before the election, especially if the Liberals can contain how many MPs were or still are compromised by the PRC. Plenty more damage to be done until Oct ‘25…

 

[The Bread Guy]

One of my favourite podcasts. Scott Reed the Uber Partisan Liberal quotes Red Scare and McCarthyism as a reason to hold back from getting to the bottom of why we suck at taking espionage seriously.

Even the Team Red host (veteran of Team Paul Martin and the associated dumping the leader machinations of the time) said PMJT's poke was a good one - although the did repeat a call at the end of the show to PMJT to call it quits if there’s this much opposition in caucus. Disagree with Red pundits here and agree with Tory pundit here & Matt Gurney (on The Line podcast) on the "punch": good tactical blow for one news cycle, but won't move the Red Appeal needle - and threatens to draw the eye even more to its own weaknesses in this area.

Also of note from The Curse of Politics (love the podcast as well): even the Tory pundit on the panel says PP should brief up, especially as the (if polls are to be believed) presumably next PM.

Xi wants them to wait as long as possible too…all the better to disrupt as much as possible before the election, especially if the Liberals can contain how many MPs were or still are compromised by the PRC. Plenty more damage to be done until Oct ‘25…

And what do you see as India's take, or are they happy to just continue to visibly stir up crap?

 

[Good2Golf]

And what do you see as India's take, or are they happy just continue to visibly stir up crap?

Tactical emotional action (India), vs strategic logical methodical campaign (China).

I think India’s take is more of a transactional nature - Hindu vs Sikh, primarily. I believe India sees Canada as a semi-direct, if not biased supporter of anti-Hindi Khalistani terrorism (Babbar Khalsa et al), with roots back to support of the group responsible for Indira Gandhi’s assassination by her Sikh bodyguard and the Air India Flight 182 bombing. PM Modi is but the latest of a long line of Indian’s who look at Canada with disdain for its purported support of Sikh-supported terrorism. Does this absolve India of the actions it took on Canadian soil? The correct answer is ‘no’ but one should also understand where India is coming from and why they would consider doing so.

China, on the other hand, has gone to great lengths, Confucian inspired long-term lengths, to compromise Canada over decades (at least mid-late 60s) through initial economic manipulation and influence of a not insignificant number of key politically-amenable Canadian politicians and business persons, and once those Canadian key interests had tasteed the sweetness of collaborative work with and profit/gain by collaboration with Chinese interests, then the follow-on phases of greater and greater influence into more aspects of Canadian political and business affairs. The interference we see today, and let’s not kid ourselves—we’re talking deliberate state-on-state influence operations, is just the latest phase of China’s efforts to co-opt Canada to its will, most likely as a long-term play to stand on America’s doorstep to set conditions for China’s next step to lead a counter-democratic effort at global influence/leadership.