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University of Ottawa Paper Fulcrum Boycotts National Defence Advertisements

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Don't know if this has been mentioned or not.  Mods people, please remove if this the case.
 
My opinion of university newspapers, at least of the institutions I have attended (this includes uOttawa), is that they are essentially pornography without any insightful analysis of you know the standard fourth-rate porn magazine.   

Not to worry though.  Between NDHQ and the  Cartier Square Drill Hall right accross the street from the University there is a lot of military traffic that goes through campus.  All those sharp uniforms that cross through the uOttawa campus counteract this hippy stupidity. 
 
In a knee jerk response  ;D - DND will no longer accept or acknowledge people holding U of O degrees or sponsor people wishing to attend said U. Does DND need to advertise, the very large HQ/billboard is in view from most outdoor vantage points on the campus.
 
Hey someone stealthily edited my post and replaced NdHq with glorious thinktank.   Whoever it was I applaud your ninja skills.   
 
Look at this thread http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/72551.0/all.html if you wish to understand the "glorious thinktank" problem...
 
From a business perspective they just shot themselves in the foot; who will make up the shortfall in advertising revenues? I guess no one on the editorial board has taken Economics 101...... ;)
 
I may not agree with their point of view (short sighted) but I'll fight to defend it.
If they would realize that under the various murderous regimes that have dotted history, the intellectuals are usually one of the first groups to be "re-educated" and shipped to "re-education" camps. Cambodia, The USSR in 1917 and Germany under Hitler are only a few that come to mind.
I guess you don't have to be all that intelligent to attend a university do you?
 
DND will no longer accept or acknowledge people holding U of O degrees or sponsor people wishing to attend said U.

U of O is one of 3 universities (with Dalhousie) who is currently accepting med school students in a special program sponsored by the CF (occupationnal transfer only).

IMHO the CF needs U of O way more than U of O needs the CF.
 
Heard this on the radio this morning here in the nation's capital.  The person from uOttawa being interviewed  (a rep from the student union or something) also disagreed with the decision, but it was done by a vote at a meeting (as per their rules).  ie it wasn't the paper itself that boycotted, but someone rallied together enough "concerned" students (I think it was around 100?) to attend a meeting, acheived a quorum and passed the motion.

Sad really, that such a low number of members can acheive something like that, considering the total number of students at U of O
 
 
Federico Carvajal, vp services for the Graduate Students’ Association, said that it’s not about blocking debate, but instead it is about avoiding one-sided arguments put forward by the military.  “The student population is one of the most strongly opposed to the Afghanistan mission,” he said but added that few of them can afford to take out full-page advertisements in a newspaper to promote their views.

Apparently, few of them can afford to write articles to promote their views?  That would cost them...hmmm...nothing?   ::)
 
I made a mistake in the earlier post. I meant I will defend their right to free speech....not their Pollyanna views.
 
acheo said:
U of O is one of 3 universities (with Dalhousie) who is currently accepting med school students in a special program sponsored by the CF (occupationnal transfer only).

IMHO the CF needs U of O way more than U of O needs the CF.

Note the  ;D - it is April Fool's Day - the CF pays for those guaranteed positions - filled or not, the Univ doesn't do it out of kindness.
 
exgunnertdo said:
Heard this on the radio this morning here in the nation's capital.  The person from uOttawa being interviewed  (a rep from the student union or something) also disagreed with the decision, but it was done by a vote at a meeting (as per their rules).  ie it wasn't the paper itself that boycotted, but someone rallied together enough "concerned" students (I think it was around 100?) to attend a meeting, acheived a quorum and passed the motion.

Sad really, that such a low number of members can acheive something like that, considering the total number of students at U of O

If that's the case, then it seems entirely possible that an even greater number of students would have the power to show up at the next meeting (provided of course that they succeed in having the topic added to the agenda) and vote it back to it's previous state.

Funny how democracy works. Those who choose to sit on their butts and not exercise their votes --- are sometimes the very ones affected by their lack of exercising that vote.
 
exgunnertdo said:
Heard this on the radio this morning here in the nation's capital.  The person from uOttawa being interviewed  (a rep from the student union or something) also disagreed with the decision, but it was done by a vote at a meeting (as per their rules).  ie it wasn't the paper itself that boycotted, but someone rallied together enough "concerned" students (I think it was around 100?) to attend a meeting, acheived a quorum and passed the motion.

Sad really, that such a low number of members can acheive something like that, considering the total number of students at U of O

Also heard it this morning and wanted to clarify that it was the editor of the paper who was opposed to the ban. Also the vote was 93 for the ban 85 opposed according the editior. They also had someone speaking for those who were for the ban who equated the current recruitment campaign with "selling the war in Afghanistan" and thus they were opposed to it.
 
Frostnipped Elf said:
In a knee jerk response ;D - DND will no longer accept or acknowledge people holding U of O degrees or sponsor people wishing to attend said U. Does DND need to advertise, the very large HQ/billboard is in view from most outdoor vantage points on the campus.

Carefull who you insult sir, I attend U of O and as it just so happens I am regular force officer going through ROTP . The atmosphere on campus is generally pro-Canadian Forces; the people who voted to boycott DND did so in a legitmate forum, not some kangaroo court. Therefore as much as I disagree with the verdict, I must stand by it.

In all reality it changes nothing, advertisements are posted in the washrooms, the gym's, and even in the bus stops. A little page in a paper that nobody reads adds up to a whole lot of symbolism and nothing else.
 
uOttawa is
generally pro-Canadian Forces
?  I guess it depends on the Faculty and the Department but I did not find the majority of the campus to be pro-Canadian Forces.  A simple poppy count around November 11th generally provides the mood of the campus and  I noticed that the U of O was far less supportive than my alma matter the University of Alberta which take great pride in hosting a large ceremony in the Butterdome and has significantly more poppies affixed to students.  That's my impression. 
 
OldSolduer said:
I may not agree with their point of view (short sighted) but I'll fight to defend it.
So, you'll defend their right to censorship?
 
OCdt.Banks said:
In all reality it changes nothing, advertisements are posted in the washrooms, the gym's, and even in the bus stops. A little page in a paper that nobody reads adds up to a whole lot of symbolism and nothing else.
Minor symbolism.  Censorship.  It's only the little people.

I disagree.  I say that you find yourself another institution, all federal funding for U of O be terminated immediately for their insistence to censor a government agency from even purchasing advertising space in their paper.
 
OCdt.Banks said:
Carefull who you insult sir, I attend U of O and as it just so happens I am regular force officer going through ROTP . The atmosphere on campus is generally pro-Canadian Forces; the people who voted to boycott DND did so in a legitmate forum, not some kangaroo court. Therefore as much as I disagree with the verdict, I must stand by it.

Just so you're straight on this,

1. You are NOT an "officer" yet...

2. As M.R. stated,by standing by this act you ARE in fact condoning censorship.

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