Army Communication & Information Systems Specialists (Sig Op, Lineman and LCIS Amalgamation)

[PuckChaser]

So PuckChaser & JSR OP, since you seem to have a clue as to whats going on.. What would the process be like once I show up in Kingston?

Since you're an OT you'll end up on PAT Platoon for a while. They'll put you in line for an ACISS DP1 course. If you've been preselected for a suboccupation, you'll go do DP1.1 right after. Otherwise after your DP1 you'll end up with a posting message somewhere, most likely HQ and Sigs. From there, your aptitude for various things and your work ethic could get you selected for a sub occupation if you want it. Otherwise you'll come back to CFSCE in 2 years or so and do DP2. In between DP1 and DP2, your unit will send you on courses if they need you qualified on specific kit.

Its gonna suck, but expect to show up on PAT Platoon and be bored. Real bored. There's guys who've been waiting for 6 months for courses. Use the time to get some OPMEs done, or take a course at the College downtown. Either that, or try to get tasked out to a unit as OJT.

 

[JSR OP]

I am SigOp QL3 trained.
I released a tad shy of 3 years ago(family reasons) after completing my contract.
I am rejoining.
I was advised by recruiters all trades are closed, however they just rx a message stating ACISS will have 20 positions open 1 Jan.

Because he is already QL3 trained, and has only been out for three years, I think that he'll be grandfathered, put into a new ACISS position, and not have to worry about going back to the school.  He very well could end up at the JSR.
But I could be wrong.

 

[Baywop]

If you want the latest and greatest info on ACISS check out this link.
you must be logged into a DWAN computer to view the link.


http://aws.kingston.mil.ca/Projects/ACISS/Communication/Selection%20Process/Home.aspx

some real good info there...enjoy

 

[Swingline1984]

Because he is already QL3 trained, and has only been out for three years, I think that he'll be grandfathered, put into a new ACISS position, and not have to worry about going back to the school.  He very well could end up at the JSR.
But I could be wrong.

You do realize your response was based on a post from Greydak correct?  Sigger is a different animal.

 

[zzyzx723]

Its gonna suck, but expect to show up on PAT Platoon and be bored. Real bored. There's guys who've been waiting for 6 months for courses.

There are people there who have been waiting MUCH longer than that, as far as Sig Ops go. And that's even without mentioning the 291ers.

 

[JSR OP]

You do realize your response was based on a post from Greydak correct?  Sigger is a different animal.

No, I did not.  So much for my attention to detail.  Maybe I should go back to reading posts only...Once again, I digress.

 

[Swingline1984]

If you want the latest and greatest info on ACISS check out this link.
you must be logged into a DWAN computer to view the link.


http://aws.kingston.mil.ca/Projects/ACISS/Communication/Selection%20Process/Home.aspx

some real good info there...enjoy

...aaannnnd it's the third time the link has been posted, so it's super redundant too!  :nod:

 

[PMedMoe]

...aaannnnd it's the third time the link has been posted, so it's super redundant too!  :nod:

Well, we all know people don't want to go through 28 pages of a thread looking for the info they need. 

 

[PuckChaser]

For the reservists following this thread, I've received credible word (from someone working in the training development) that the res DP1 course will be 1 summer. They've cut material, taking a chance that the cut material can be taught either OJT at the units, generating useful Cl A training, or at the units if reservists are selected for deployment.

 

[IBM]

For the reservists following this thread, I've received credible word (from someone working in the training development) that the res DP1 course will be 1 summer. They've cut material, taking a chance that the cut material can be taught either OJT at the units, generating useful Cl A training, or at the units if reservists are selected for deployment.

Well, that will definitely help with pumping out more troops with trade quals faster, at least on paper. Still need experienced NCM's to do more hand-holding though than with the old trades; don't see how that can be avoided.

"Welcome back Pte, and good job on completing your QL3's. Now come over and help me get that LS setup for tommorow's tasking."

"Er, what's an LS, MCpl?" 

You just know something like that will eventually happen. 

 

[Brasidas]

For the reservists following this thread, I've received credible word (from someone working in the training development) that the res DP1 course will be 1 summer. They've cut material, taking a chance that the cut material can be taught either OJT at the units, generating useful Cl A training, or at the units if reservists are selected for deployment.

One summer as in two, three, or four months? I remember QL3 being two months, then doubled to four.

Colour me skeptical as to whether teaching a full six month reg force course in three summers would have been an effective alternative.

I'm presuming the whateveryoucallit LCIS tech equivalent remains unavailable to the reserves? Has someone made the call that reserve line's going to be officially killed by amalgamation?

 

[PuckChaser]

Figure 8-9 weeks. One summer as in time for High School students to complete their DP1 between 26 June and Labour Day.

 

[Brasidas]

Figure 8-9 weeks. One summer as in time for High School students to complete their DP1 between 26 June and Labour Day.

Excellent. Not having to train a new guy for three years of summers (at two months for BMQ/SQ, QL3 mod 1, QL3 mod 2) if his boss (or his wife) can't spare him for four months straight'll be a help.

 

[PuckChaser]

Excellent. Not having to train a new guy for three years of summers (at two months for BMQ/SQ, QL3 mod 1, QL3 mod 2) if his boss (or his wife) can't spare him for four months straight'll be a help.

It'll help the reserves for sure, but if said reservist wants a tour or a Cl B callout in a Reg F signals unit, they may have a steep learning curve to cover the missing material.

 

[IBM]

I'm presuming the whateveryoucallit LCIS tech equivalent remains unavailable to the reserves? Has someone made the call that reserve line's going to be officially killed by amalgamation?

What I heard was that reserves will keep existing Sig Op & Line, and the equivalent whateveryoucallit names.

 

[PuckChaser]

What I heard was that reserves will keep existing Sig Op & Line, and the equivalent whateveryoucallit names.

SigOp = ACISS
Line = LST
LCIS = CST
Computer Nerd = IST

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[Brasidas]

SigOp = ACISS
Line = LST
LCIS = CST
Computer Nerd = IST

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And which specialties, or whatever name you call these un-trades, are available to the reserves?

Reserve line survives, but they get to be trained as a QL3 sig op, with some sort of basic familiarization with line during their first summer of trades training? Pretty damned curious what that'll look like. I'd think that the timeline for training a lineman's going to be extended even more than it already is.

I appreciate the info, btw.

 

[PuckChaser]

I'm not quite sure, but I'll ask my source next time I see them. If they're only planning the training for ACIS and LST, then its a good bet IST and CST won't be available.

You won't get DP1 linemen in one summer. There will be a DP1.1 course they they would have to attend the following summer, or OJT at the unit (note these are just my speculations).

 

[IBM]

SigOp = ACISS
Line = LST
LCIS = CST
Computer Nerd = IST

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Yeah, thanks for the names Puck. Just to clarify Res would have only ACISS and LST under the new naming convention, existing fully qualified Line will automatically become LST's and SigOp's have a choice of ACISS core or one of the other specializations. Existing Line can also sort of "remuster within the same trade" if you will be taking conversion training to other specializations, but this is left up to individual member choice.

Anyway, that's the word I got from my CoC, no idea if any of that is set in stone or still subject to future changes.

 

[IBM]

Sorry, adding to my last, it's my understanding that Res doesn't have the choice of CST, just like LCIS wasn't a trade available to Res.